• Queensland child care centres could soon have the ability to reject unvaccinated children
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[U][B]Article is 2 days old [/B][/U] [QUOTE]Queensland childcare centres could soon have the power to reject children if they have not been vaccinated. Health Minister Cameron Dick, a supporter of vaccination, said he would introduce legislation by the end of the year which would give the state's childcare operators the choice to turn down the enrolment of a child if they are not fully vaccinated. Mr Dick said vaccination was a "critically important public health strategy for adults and children". "Labor will honour its election commitment to introduce legislation that empowers child care services to make decisions on whether to enrol children based on the vaccination status of those children," he said. "The proposed legislation will be designed to protect children and workers from preventable diseases by allowing childcare centres to refuse enrolment to children who are not fully immunised. "I will be consulting with all stakeholders so that the legislation reflects Labor's election commitment and has support in the Parliament." But head of the Queensland branch of the Australian Medical Association, Shaun Rudd, said it was not fair to penalise children for their parents' decision, and he instead hoped any legislation would be a chance for education. "We like the 'no form, no play' rule," he said. "In other words, we think it is a great thing that when children are entering those situations the opportunity is there to remind their parents that the child should be fully immunised, if they are not fully immunised. "We know that one of our big problems is not necessarily the contentious objectors, but more the children who are immunised, but not fully immunised. "If a child's parents don't want them immunised I think it is a bit unreasonable to say well those poor children aren't allowed to play with the other children." But Dr Rudd said there should be exceptions. "There is the situation where a virus may be going around, say measles, in that area, then people could be able to look at what kids haven't been immunised against and say 'well, sorry, you can't come along'," he said. "I think that is reasonable that you don't allow kids around when there is an outbreak, but I think not allowing them in just because their parents are against vaccination is a bridge too far." While in opposition Labor attempted to push through a similar piece of legislation via a private member's bill Jo-Ann Miller submitted, but it was defeated by the previous government's majority. It came after the New South Wales conservative government passed "no jab, no play" legislation which gave child care operators similar powers to that which Queensland could introduce.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/unvaccinated-children-could-be-rejected-by-childcare-centres-under-planned-law-20150312-141hyq.html[/url]
Depends on the situation, I am not sure about vaccination in the UK but there is a difference between being too poor to get them, and refusing too. Perhaps if its a financial issue, they could support them.
P sure they are free.
you can opt out of vaccinations at no penalty in state/private schools however it is frowned upon unless you got a valid medical reason
It's a shame that these kids have their life at risk because of their stupid parents.
[QUOTE=EskillV2;47320182]It's a shame that these kids have their life at risk because of their stupid parents.[/QUOTE] Life at risk? really?
[QUOTE=cucumber;47321078]Life at risk? really?[/QUOTE] Yeah, really.
[QUOTE=cucumber;47321078]Life at risk? really?[/QUOTE] Yes, vaccines provide against: [quote]Anthrax Cervical Cancer (Human Papillomavirus) Diphtheria Hepatitis A Hepatitis B Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Influenza (Flu) Japanese encephalitis (JE) Lyme disease [I](Lyme disease vaccine no longer available in the United States.)[/I] Measles Meningococcal Monkeypox [I](There is NO monkeypox vaccine. The smallpox vaccine is used for this disease.)[/I] Mumps Pertussis Pneumococcal Polio Rabies Rotavirus Rubella Shingles (Herpes Zoster) Smallpox Tetanus Typhoid Tuberculosis (TB) Varicella (Chickenpox) Yellow Fever[/quote] If you catch any of these without being vaccined, you could likely die, and you could start a plague. Follow the measles news in USA.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;47322327]Yes, vaccines provide against: If you catch any of these without being vaccined, you could likely die, and you could start a plague. Follow the measles news in USA.[/QUOTE] According to your logic we all also have to wear full body armor when walking on the streets, because it can happen.
[QUOTE=cucumber;47323548]According to your logic we all also have to wear full body armor when walking on the streets, because it can happen.[/QUOTE] The key difference is that full body armour didn't make your life expectancy jump from 20 to 72 years like actual medical treatment did. [editline]14th March 2015[/editline] Also if you're roaming around war-zones you should probably be wearing some body amour.
[QUOTE=cucumber;47323548]According to your logic we all also have to wear full body armor when walking on the streets, because it can happen.[/QUOTE] lmao except it's a lot easier and more likely to get any number of the horrible shit that vaccines protect against than it is to randomly get shot when walking down the street, especially in the places these articles are often referring to. And that's without even bringing in the issue of contagiousness into the equation. What a silly comparison.
[QUOTE=cucumber;47323548]According to your logic we all also have to wear full body armor when walking on the streets, because it can happen.[/QUOTE] Being shot rarely depends on you but rather the shooter Deciding to get a vaccine for yourself or your kids on the other hand
Imo, vaccines may be helpful, but I think most people can agree that making them mandatory is not a good thing. Vaccine companies can stick whatever they want into them, and you have no choice in the matter. No private company should have that much control.
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47323708]Imo, vaccines may be helpful, but I think most people can agree that making them mandatory is not a good thing. Vaccine companies can stick whatever they want into them, and you have no choice in the matter. No private company should have that much control.[/QUOTE] How else are you going to stop idiots from spreading diseases that were eradicated 50 years ago because of their believes?
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47323708]Imo, vaccines may be helpful, but I think most people can agree that making them mandatory is not a good thing. Vaccine companies can stick whatever they want into them, and you have no choice in the matter. No private company should have that much control.[/QUOTE] Hey, there's this really cool thing I heard about called "government regulation", it's this radical concept where the government watches over private companies to make sure that they don't fuck around! Amazing, right?
[QUOTE=cucumber;47323548]According to your logic we all also have to wear full body armor when walking on the streets, because it can happen.[/QUOTE] Yes there are people who don't get sick when they haven't been vaccinated, but this is because of this beautiful thing called herd immunity. Now for herd immunity to work, we need to vaccinate as much people as possible. So the people who can't get vaccinated because of a medical reason, their chance of getting infected is very low.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;47323744]How else are you going to stop idiots from spreading diseases that were eradicated 50 years ago because of their believes?[/QUOTE] If they were eradicated 50 years ago, then why are they an issue today? And if you have a vaccine, then you're covered. And it's not just beliefs. I know quite a few people who have had kids have severe reactions to the vaccines (mostly after the MMR) right after they were injected. (My brother had a 104 fever for a week after that). [QUOTE=Headhumpy;47323761]Hey, there's this really cool thing I heard about called "government regulation", it's this radical concept where the government watches over private companies to make sure that they don't fuck around! Amazing, right?[/QUOTE] Because companies always tell the truth to the government and don't cover up anything. Vaccines are a 4 billion dollar industry. If they want something covered up they can cover it up.
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47323708]Vaccine companies can stick whatever they want into them, and you have no choice in the matter. No private company should have that much control.[/QUOTE] Why exactly do you think vaccines becoming mandatory is gonna suddenly make vaccine companies 'stick whatever they want into them' besides just what's needed to prevent the disease etc, and then why do you think they'd magically be able to get away with it if it really was something harmful they were loading them with? At least I'm assuming that's what you're getting at.
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47323708]Imo, vaccines may be helpful, but I think most people can agree that making them mandatory is not a good thing. Vaccine companies can stick whatever they want into them, and you have no choice in the matter. No private company should have that much control.[/QUOTE]I think most people can agree that making them mandatory is a good thing. They can't just stick whatever they want in them. We have regulatory bodies for a reason.
[QUOTE=postal;47323780]Why exactly do you think vaccines becoming mandatory is gonna suddenly make vaccine companies 'stick whatever they want into them' besides just what's needed to prevent the disease etc, and then why do you think they'd magically be able to get away with it if it really was something harmful they were loading them with? At least I'm assuming that's what you're getting at.[/QUOTE] Well, as in the case of my brother, they obviously do some damage to the body. And my family is not alone, many other families I know have had the same reactions (even to the same mmr vaccine)
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47323776]If they were eradicated 50 years ago, then why are they an issue today? And if you have a vaccine, then you're covered. And it's not just beliefs. I know quite a few people who have had kids have severe reactions to the vaccines (mostly after the MMR) right after they were injected. (My brother had a 104 fever for a week after that).[/QUOTE]I know a guy who knows a guy who knows Brad Pitt's gardener. I basically know Brad Pitt. On some occasions people will have allergic reactions or minor symptoms that are easy to control because you're not actually treating death itself.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;47323801]I know a guy who knows a guy who knows Brad Pitt's gardener. I basically know Brad Pitt. On some occasions people will have allergic reactions or minor symptoms that are easy to control because you're not actually treating death itself.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call a 104 fever for a week plus constant straight screaming (not normal screaming but blood curdling) a "minor" reaction.
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47323790]Well, as in the case of my brother, they obviously do some damage to the body. And my family is not alone, many other families I know have had the same reactions (even to the same mmr vaccine)[/QUOTE] I have said this many times, and I will say it again because it bears repeating: the plural of anecdote is not data.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;47323825]I have said this many times, and I will say it again because it bears repeating: the plural of anecdote is not data.[/QUOTE] It's not what you would call "official data" but the fact it's fairly common around here, (amoung different races even) shows that it should probably be looked into.
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47323846]It's not what you would call "official data" but the fact it's fairly common around here, (amoung different races even) shows that it should probably be looked into.[/QUOTE] Doctors will determine the ailments and submit a report based on side effects caused to them. Then the person doesn't need to take vaccines of that type anymore while enjoying a near immunity caused by those around them never getting the disease themselves and thus not propagating it(herd immunity). Wow, the system still works.
[QUOTE=deadoon;47323887]Doctors will determine the ailments and submit a report based on side effects caused to them. Then the person doesn't need to take vaccines of that type anymore while enjoying a near immunity caused by those around them never getting the disease themselves and thus not propagating it(herd immunity). Wow, the system still works.[/QUOTE] Except when my parents took my brother to the doctor the doctor said it was "normal". And most doctors are taught that vaccines are safe and effective, so they just don't assume and even deny it's the vaccine. And this thread is about medical centers denying vaccinated people. They will fight you tooth and claw to say the vaccines aren't the issue. Also according to [URL="http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/authorizinglegislation.pdf"]this[/URL] You can't even really sue them for damages you may have acquired.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;47322327]Yes, vaccines provide against: If you catch any of these without being vaccined, you could likely die, and you could start a plague. Follow the measles news in USA.[/QUOTE] Wait why the fuck is the lyme disease vaccine no longer available in the US?
[QUOTE=cucumber;47323548]According to your logic we all also have to wear full body armor when walking on the streets, because it can happen.[/QUOTE] Do you also think we shouldn't wear seatbelts because we probably won't get in a car crash? If there's a free preventative measure that reduces the chances of something bad happening to you and others, there's really no reason not to take it.
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47323932]Except when my parents took my brother to the doctor the doctor said it was "normal". And most doctors are taught that vaccines are safe and effective, so they just don't assume and even deny it's the vaccine. And this thread is about medical centers denying vaccinated people. They will fight you tooth and claw to say the vaccines aren't the issue. Also according to [URL="http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/authorizinglegislation.pdf"]this[/URL] You can't even really sue them for damages you may have acquired.[/QUOTE] Read that again: [QUOTE] No vaccine administrator or manufacturer may be made a party to a civil action (other than a civil action which may be brought under paragraph (2))[/QUOTE] They are limiting damages for literal unforeseeable reactions to something that has been used worldwide with serious adverse side effects being in the per thousand or hundred thousand based on reporting. Look at asprin for a moment, it can cause reye's syndrome. What does almost every medical cabinet have? Asprin. I have a hereditary disposition to not be affected much by certain kinds of pain killers, most prominently Novocaine, hence my dentist uses Lidocaine instead. Medicine can interact with the body in different ways depending on the person. Also, most doctors? Never had one that didn't suggest sitting in the lobby for a half hour to see if I had any reaction.
Getting reactions to vaccines like fevers are normal, depending on the vaccine it is even expected.
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