• New York woman holding baby falls from 8th floor to her death; baby survives
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[quote](CNN) -- A woman plunged to her death from the eighth floor of an apartment building in New York, with her baby clutched in her arms. [/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/14/justice/new-york-baby-mother-fall/index.html?hpt=hp_t2[/url]
I wonder if she knew what to do when falling. Mother's instinct and whatnot. That sucks, but at least the kid's alive. Edit: I somehow completely missed the "suicide" part whilst skimming. Damn. That just makes this story even sadder.
That's quite an heroic act.
[QUOTE=Deprehensio;39918506]I wonder if she knew what to do when falling. Mother's instinct and whatnot. That sucks, but at least the kid's alive.[/QUOTE] you make it sound like she fell of accidentally? if she knew what to do she wouldn't have been holding the baby with her when she walked off
The article mentions a suicide note so no, not a very heroic act at all.
[QUOTE=Trumple;39918527]you make it sound like she fell of accidentally? if she knew what to do she wouldn't have been holding the baby with her when she walked off[/QUOTE] What.
So she attempted to take her baby's life with her?
[QUOTE=Dantai;39918539]What.[/QUOTE] this was a suicide she should have left the baby in the apartment if she was planning to commit suicide?
[QUOTE=Nystical;39918552]So she attempted to take her baby's life with her?[/QUOTE] most likely i read somewhere that she thought her baby's future didn't look very bright obviously she thought wrong
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;39918589]most likely i read somewhere that she thought her baby's future didn't look very bright obviously she thought wrong[/QUOTE] The alternative is leaving the baby with an abusive husband who literally drove you to suicide so I can see that, poor woman. It must be an awful situation that you decide to take you and your child's life. I'm empathizing not saying what she did was OK.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39918606]The alternative is leaving the baby with an abusive husband who literally drove you to suicide so I can see that, poor woman. It must be an awful situation that you decide to take you and your child's life.[/QUOTE] if shit is so bad that your own self-preservation instinct and instinct to protect your child's life takes the backseat to your pain, the obviously something is very very wrong. i feel bad for the woman.
Yep, definitely better to kill the baby in that case. :downs:
People are saying she had an abusive husband, but my reading of the article is different. Sounds to me like she might have already had problems, he called to check on her but she didn't pick up. Stressing him that she might have done something like this already?
[QUOTE=Rhenae;39918694]People are saying she had an abusive husband, but my reading of the article is different. Sounds to me like she might have already had problems, he called to check on her but she didn't pick up. Stressing him that she might have done something like this already?[/QUOTE] " "I came home, they were arguing," Johnson told WPIX. "I actually stopped to listen, and I heard screaming and the baby was crying. He just kept saying why wouldn't you pick up the phone, why would you put that stress on me? Why wouldn't you pick up the phone, why, why? He was screaming, 'why, why'?"" It could be either. He might have been crazy like that on his own, or she might have kept him constantly under threat of her own suicide for years. I know how much sanity I lost to just a few months of that, so if that's the case I sure as hell can't blame him.
[QUOTE=Appellation;39918651]Yep, definitely better to kill the baby in that case. :downs:[/QUOTE] I didn't say it was OK, I'm understanding what she was thinking. [QUOTE=Rhenae;39918694]People are saying she had an abusive husband, but my reading of the article is different. Sounds to me like she might have already had problems, he called to check on her but she didn't pick up. Stressing him that she might have done something like this already?[/QUOTE] yeah because if it's at that point he should be yelling at her right [editline]14th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Appellation;39918735] It could be either. He might have been crazy like that on his own, or she might have kept him constantly under threat of her own suicide for years. I know how much sanity I lost to just a few months of that, so if that's the case I sure as hell can't blame him.[/QUOTE] wow you guys managed to find a way to blame the woman
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39918750] yeah because if it's at that point he should be yelling at her right[/QUOTE] You really haven't been in the stressful situation of dealing with someone like that frequently. Everyone blows a fuse sometimes and it's pretty easy to do with something like that. edit: I'm not placing blame on the woman I'm saying everyone jumped on the guy talking about an abusive relationship when there really isn't any evidence for that.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39918750]I didn't say it was OK, I'm understanding what she was thinking. yeah because if it's at that point he should be yelling at her right [editline]14th March 2013[/editline] wow you guys managed to find a way to blame the woman[/QUOTE] You guys?! You have no goddamn evidence, and no experience with anything. I said it could go either way, but. i've been in a situation like one of the ways I mentioned it could go.
[QUOTE=junker|154;39918515]That's quite an heroic act.[/QUOTE] Cool suicide joke
Did what happened to me never happen? Do suicidal (or faux-suicidal) people never hold other people hostage with their threats?
It's a shitty thing to emotionally abuse someone by threatening suicide but the person doing that needs help and you should find help for them and sever, not scream at them for not answering a phone. The fact that your first thought is to blame her scares me, though. She killed herself so she's the victim here, I don't think that's an easy decision to make.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39918837]It's a shitty thing to emotionally abuse someone by threatening suicide but the person doing that needs help and you should find help for them and sever, not scream at them for not answering a phone. The fact that your first thought is to blame her scares me, though. She killed herself so she's the victim here, I don't think that's an easy decision to make.[/QUOTE] Provided we don't find out he was abusing her or something I really don't think blame can be placed on any party. It's just a shitty situation that happened and took one of the worst turns.
I was about to say it might be post-partem depression or whatever it is right after birth if they feel like they can't bond, but I saw it said the child was 10 months old so I don't really know.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;39918890]I was about to say it might be post-partem depression or whatever it is right after birth if they feel like they can't bond, but I saw it said the child was 10 months old so I don't really know.[/QUOTE] Postpartum depression starts up to weeks after birth and can last for months or even a year, according to a quick google search. So yeah actually that would be another option.
[QUOTE=Appellation;39918803]Did what happened to me never happen? Do suicidal (or [B]faux-suicidal[/B]) people never hold other people hostage with their threats?[/QUOTE] you must have been really creative to say something extremely insulting like this
Here. One example. One day (after the "I'm going to hurt myself if I'm alone" "Please don't, I can't go back to the mental ward" phase of our relationship [which was a actually it's entire basis] cooled down) I was walking through the quad with her and came upon some of my friends playing with water balloons. I opted to join them instead of continuing my walk with her (I even invited her to join as well, she declined). Afterwards she completely dropped off the radar, she went from constantly calling and texting me when we weren't together (and living in my dorm room) to disappearing most of the night. I didn't think much of it, I guess I wasn't...well trained yet. She showed up at my door late in the nigh weeping. Going on and on about how she nearly "played in traffic" when I left her alone for her walk and if S hadn't have run across her she would have. She was also angry that i didn't try to get a hold of her (I never tried to get a hold of her until much later in the relationship, after I fell in love with her once the suicide threats really toned down (it just seemed so nice in comparison)....listen, it's hard to explain, and i did try to get her help, and I did manage to get her to counseling, but she lied to them too, she told me so (I enquired because at that stage i had high hopes that the counselor would tell her she wasnt stable enough for a lny relationships right now) Luckily, long after I managed to see through her crap, and distance myself fromher (she still kept up with the stlaking though,) She did get on antipsychotics (she had episodes that zhe couldn't remember) and after that she finally movex on with her life. Both are possibilities, hell the abusive husband is probably more likely, but dont rule it out you ass
I was weak and damaged after a series of medical crap, I had spent my entire life being quietly suicidal, she took advantage of both, and threatened me with harming herself. It's the reason I swore off all thoughts of suicide) and for that I'm grateful) It's the reason I replaced the work study socialize, with work study facepunch. I just don't feel comfortable socializing anymore. I'm on meds, I'm getting therapy, I don't have an agenda, I realize it's all just damaged people damaging other people, and I don't want to continue that cycle. But please, please don't say what happendx to me could never happen
Should have tossed the baby off then followed it would have made more sense in her plan, stupid women rationalization.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;39918988]We don't know who there's to blame, it would be unfair to not suspect her as well. There's hardly any solid proof this was some sort of one-sided abusive relationship. As far as we know, this could have been the result of the burden of childcare + the stress already shaky relationship.[/QUOTE] how do we know the guy didn't hold a gun to her head and make her write the note then push her off?? the world may never know.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39919350]how do we know the guy didn't hold a gun to her head and make her write the note then push her off?? the world may never know.[/QUOTE] or maybe the infant put the gun to her head and forced her to write the note. for all we know we could be dealing with some murderous baby.
Wow, way to fuck up killing a [i]baby[/i] as you jump out an 80 foot window with it.
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