Australias largest Mosque removes post calling for Fatwa against Christmas, following objections fro
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Australia's biggest mosque has removed an online post that called for a ‘fatwa’ against Christmas following harsh condemnation from the Muslim community.
The Lakemba Mosque had posted the religious ruling or 'fatwa' on its Facebook page on Saturday morning, warning followers it was a "sin" to even wish people a Merry Christmas.
It followed a similar lecture during Friday prayers at the western Sydney mosque.
The head imam at Lakemba, Sheikh Yahya Safi, had told the congregation during prayers that they should not take part in anything to do with Christmas.
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Samier Dandan, the president of the Lebanese Muslim Association, confirmed to Fairfax on Sunday morning that the post had been removed from the mosque's Facebook page.
He said a youth worker had copied the text of the fatwa from another Islamic website and it did not reflect Sheikh Safi's lecture or the views of the LMA.
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One of the posts that was removed.
The fatwa, which sparked widespread community debate and condemnation, warned that the "disbelievers are trying to draw Muslims away from the straight path".
It also says that Christmas Day and associated celebrations are among the "falsehoods that a Muslim should avoid ... and therefore, a Muslim is neither allowed to celebrate the Christmas Day nor is he allowed to congratulate them".
The posting of the fatwa has shocked many Muslim leaders. The Grand Mufti of Australia, Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, said the foundations of Islam were peace, co-operation, respect and holding others in esteem.
"Anyone who says otherwise is speaking irresponsibly," he said.
"There is difference between showing respect for someone's belief and sharing those beliefs," Dr Ibrahim said.
Dr Ibrahim said the views did not represent the majority of Muslims in Australia. "We are required to have good relations with all people, and to congratulate them on their joyous events is very important."
The fatwa quotes the teacher Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim as saying that congratulating disbelievers for their rituals is forbidden, and if a "Muslim who says this does not become a disbeliever himself, he at least commits a sin as this is the same as congratulating him for his belief in the trinity, which is a greater sin and much more disliked by Almighty Allaah than congratulating him for drinking alcohol or killing a soul or committing fornication or adultery”.
A community leader, Dr Jamal Rifi, said he did not agree with the school of thought behind the fatwa.
"We can share the festivities with friends and families and neighbours – I don't think there is any civil, religious or ethical reason not to," he said.
Dr Rifi and Sheikh Youssef Nabha, the imam of the Kingsgrove Mosque, are travelling to Nauru on Sunday night with priests from the Maronite and Melkite churches in Sydney to attend Christmas celebrations with the asylum seekers held there.
Dr Rifi said he and Sheikh Youssef would be distributing Christmas cards during the visit.
A community advocate and Muslim convert, Rebecca Kay, told Fairfax Media: "It's sad to see the Lebanese Muslim Association, which considers itself the peak body representing Australian Muslims, with comments like these. It goes to show how far they are from representing the community.
"The notion that Muslims wishing other people a merry Christmas will take them out of their faith is outright ridiculous, laughable and borders on the extreme."
Keysar Trad, a former official with the Lebanese Muslim Association, said in his time with the organisation they used to regularly greet people with merry Christmas. "I don't know what has changed," he said. "But now as a representative of Australia's peak Muslim body, the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, I would like to wish all your readers a merry Christmas and a happy new year."
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Wow well fuck that, I'm glad that Muslim Australians complained because that's some serious bullshit right there.
[QUOTE]warning followers it was a "sin" to even wish people a Merry Christmas.[/QUOTE]
Biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard
fuckin muslims hell yeah praise be to allah
[QUOTE=pancaker94;38941468]how many times to i have to post this
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fuckin dirty ass muslims[/QUOTE]
except it was muslims who complained about it you racist cunt
[QUOTE=pancaker94;38941468]how many times to i have to post this
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fuckin dirty ass muslims[/QUOTE]
I was waiting for an asshole like you to post.
[QUOTE=pancaker94;38941468]how many times to i have to post this
[editline]23rd December 2012[/editline]
fuckin dirty ass muslims[/QUOTE]
You know the people who are actually Muslims and not extremist are some of the nicest and peaceful people you'll ever come across
i see you guys tryna get me caught up with those edited quotes
[QUOTE=pancaker94;38941519]i see you guys tryna get me caught up with those edited quotes[/QUOTE]
8 Minutes Ago Last edited by pancaker94; 1 Minute Ago at 05:56AM.
yep totally
and btw mods can see previous changes too so have fun
oh yeah im gonna get it
[QUOTE=pancaker94;38941519]i see you guys tryna get me caught up with those edited quotes[/QUOTE]
Don't even try.
I'm surprised that a Mosque in a first would country like Australia would preach such a message.
alright i understand that its completely fucking obvious that i had edited my post you guys act some kinda way its ridiculous
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[QUOTE=Tarver;38941564]I'm surprised that a Mosque in a first would country like Australia would preach such a message.[/QUOTE]
says something, dont it?
you pretty much said as a whole, Muslims are dirty ass people, that's a touch bit offensive to them.
And the fact you tried to cover it up by saying you didn't do anything but now you're confessing you did.
lakemba is a festering shit hole
They probably don't leave cookies and milk out for Santa either, the bastards.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;38941664]you pretty much said as a whole, Muslims are dirty ass people, that's a touch bit offensive to them.
And the fact you tried to cover it up by saying you didn't do anything but now you're confessing you did.[/QUOTE]
I wasnt legitimiately trying to cover up the fact that I called muslims dirty ass people. I saw three posters had quoted me, and I decided to fuck with you, which I have apparently succeded at considering the fact i'm sensing some saltiness in your posts
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I dont see whats wrong with the mosque putting up that ruling. Christmas is a religious festival after all. Pretty sure any other religion would not advocate taking part of a contending religions festivities if it meant being part of them.
Most of the muslims here refrain from saying merry christmas, instead say happy holidays, enjoy your holiday or just smile back.
Imo, its just a couple of muslim apologetics getting freaked out and jumping the gun before the islamophobes do.
Kind of blasphemous on the part of Muslims who believe this. Jesus is still a prophet of Islam (Muhammed being the last) and all Muslims believe in the virgin birth. Since Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus, its something that most Muslims recognise and on a smaller scale, even celebrate.
[QUOTE=pancaker94;38941732]I wasnt legitimiately trying to cover up the fact that I called muslims dirty ass people. I saw three posters had quoted me, and I decided to fuck with you, which I have apparently succeded at considering the fact i'm sensing some saltiness in your posts
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Ontopic - it's good to see that some people haven't lost their senses. Wishing a Merry Christmas to be sinful... Uh.
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