So, I tried Spice (Black Mamba specifically) for the first time a few weekends ago. I thought I would share my experience and hopefully get some advice to avoid having this ever happen again.
Here's what went down.
I invited a bunch of friends over to my house so we could try out the new hookah they had all just paid for. My house was the ideal location because, unlike everyone else, my parents were actually ok with it (my dad actually came out and smoked it with us for a little bit, funny stuff). So we started smoking at about 9:30 or so and the last guy showed up at 10:30 (there were 5 of us total). So we were smoking and everything was just peachy. We were outside by the fire pit, had some music going, and just all around relaxing. Around midnight one of my friends pulls out a gram of Black Mamba he had purchased that night. I have smoked pot 4 or 5 times before and was fine with it. However, we didn't have a pipe or any real method of smoking it. Just the hookah.
After much careful thought we deducted that the best way to do it would be to cover the bottom of the bowl in the hookah with some sheesh, lay the spice on top of it, directly light it with a lighter, and inhale through the hoses.
I was always under the impression that smoking something through hookah lessened the effect of and was almost a waste of using pot (I severely doubt this now). Everyone took 2-4 hits until it was all gone. At first, everything was normal. Just when we begin to question if we did it right, I look across at my friend Cameron and say "Dude, why the fuck are you looking at me like that?" Everyone busts out laughing and we are all having a good time. It felt like a pretty typical high.
As it progressed I began to get a bit concerned. I swear it was as if I was feeling the Earth rotate. I was afraid to stand up. I began to fear that the noise we were making was going to wake up the neighbors and they would report our actions to my parents. I calmly told me friends we needed to pack up the shit and get into my room. My friends recall me crying when I said this (lol).
To everyone's amazement we made it into my bedroom without making a peep, from there the nausea heightened and I hit the floor and covered my eyes, in hopes that the spins would stop. This only made me feel like I was closer to the Earth and its rotations. After what seemed like hours (my friend reports it was about 4 minutes), it happened.
:barf:. [B]Everywhere[/B]. All over the floor and myself. The two steaks I had eaten that night were in small chunks and violently managed to end up all over the place. I have never seen this much vomit in my life. My friends tried to take care of me and give me water. I drink about a quarter of a bottle and threw it all right back up. I did my best to shovel it into a bag, and threw a towel on top of the puke. I then grabbed a blanket and passed out on top of my bile. That's my story.
This is the first bad experience I have ever had with drugs. My question is this: what made me so nauseous? I had eaten a TON of food for dinner that night (I knew this before I was high), I had smoked spice out of hookah, and I had done hookah for about three hours prior to using the spice. I am curious if any of these are definite no-no's or if the combination amounted into the shit of an evening I experienced. I never plan to do Spice again anyway because they do not know the long term effects of the stuff, and that scares the fuck out of me. My other friend Dan was still 'tripping' two days after that night, he was a mess. Normally I like to do my research about substances before I try them but this was a spur of the moment thing and, for me at least, it was not a good one.
Any help would be greatly appreciated to help me avoid the nausea, or a bad high in general, again. Also, anyone else have any bad spice or other similar drug experiences (maybe some a bit more entertaining and original than mine)?
It's a green out but not with greeen.
Legal herbal blends contain synthetic cannabinoids. At least, the ones that work do.
It sounds like you took too much. From personal experience, I can say that smoking weed through a hookah does [b]not[/b] lessen the effects in any way. In fact, it usually gets us more blitzed than normal pieces. But I digress...
You should not have put a layer of shisha. Next time, just put tin foil over the bowl, poke a few holes, put the weed/herbal blend on top and hit it like you would any other piece. Burning the shisha may have been what caused your nausea/other ill effects. Then again, if your friends didn't experience any ill-effects, I'd say you just greened-out.
Next time, take it slower. Don't smoke as much until you become used to the effects.
Sounds like you done smoked yourself retarded
Most of the JWH's are incredibly potent. 2mg fucks people up on JWH-073 which is one of the more popular synthetic canninbinoids.
I don't recommend using Spice. Bluelighters have been saying it may be quite carcinogenic. Just smoke some weed. ;)
I smoked too much a couple of weeks back, same thing happened to me with the world spinning and what-not. Ending up vomiting up in my mates sink and crashing out on the couch watching discovery. It was just weed, none of this herbal alternative crap.
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I also love you're title rhyme ;)
I've always found it unusually difficult to dose weed. A toke is a toke and a joint is a joint to a bowl is a bowl. However the weed is different, people pack different amounts, less/more people smoke.
I've never taken what I consider too much weed and I believe I could get more out of it if I had more however it seems difficult to get that magical dosage that I've only ever once achieved.
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Also, I second what The Doc is implying. Synthetic canninbinoids are pretty similar to the real thing effects wise. At a molecular level they're rather similar. Marinol, a medically available THC analogue produces the same effects as THC.
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Also, I second what The Doc is implying. Synthetic canninbinoids are pretty similar to the real thing effects wise. At a molecular level they're rather similar. Marinol, a medically available THC analogue produces the same effects as THC.[/QUOTE]
So you are suggesting it wasn't the spice itself that made me nauseous? It perhaps had more to do with the combination of what I did that night?
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I also love you're title rhyme ;)[/QUOTE]
Lol why thank you :)
[QUOTE=Throosh;20568193]So you are suggesting it wasn't the spice itself that made me nauseous? It perhaps had more to do with the combination of what I did that night?
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Lol why thank you :)[/QUOTE]
It's an agreed fact that a lot of THC will cause vomiting although obviously at normal doses it's actually an anti-emetic.
I think the reason you threw up everywhere is because you underestimated the strength of the synthetic cannibinoids. They're illegal now in England so there's no reason to use them over good ol' bud.
There are a few reports on Erowid of JWH-018 and 073. I recommend having a read and from there you should be able to determine to a small degree if it was simply just too much spice or if it's some more sinister interaction.
I bought myself 500mg of JWH-018 (one of the synths in Spice) and have been smoking about 4-5 joints per day for around 3 weeks now. To me it feels the same as cannabis and is much more cost efficient.
[QUOTE=catch33;20569564]I bought myself 500mg of JWH-018 (one of the synths in Spice) and have been smoking about 4-5 joints per day for around 3 weeks now. To me it feels the same as cannabis and is much more cost efficient.[/QUOTE]
Have a read of this:
[url]http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=474536[/url]
You should probably take it as a grain of salt but I'm just giving you the heads-up.
this happened to me once, i smoked like 3 grams of really good bud really quickly, just hit after hit.
about 45 minutes later, i tried to smoke a sausage like a cigar, then i felt dizzy, and threw up EVERYWHERE.
[QUOTE=catch33;20569564]I bought myself 500mg of JWH-018 (one of the synths in Spice) and have been smoking about 4-5 joints per day for around 3 weeks now. To me it feels the same as cannabis and is much more cost efficient.[/QUOTE]
Could I buy any of this online?
[QUOTE=Whats This?v3;20571362]Could I buy any of this online?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but I'm not telling you where. Finding vendors is very easy, and use [url]www.safeorscam.com[/url] to see if your vendor is legit.
[QUOTE=Whats This?v3;20571362]Could I buy any of this online?[/QUOTE]
Just google it, there are dozens of places that sell.
I think Spice is pretty cool. You buy it from legit webstores so you won't have to rely on shitty dealers that are dry half of the time you ask, and some Spice products like Spice Diamond, Skunk anbow, Smoke Plus (I call all synthetic cannabinoid products for Spice FYI :P) have the same potency as some regular weed strains like OG Kush.
They don't make it with any of the good synthetic canniboids anymore because of the law so it's not worth getting, if it ever was.
it used to be okay, obviously nothing like the real thing, but still quite interesting. It was a totally different high in my opinion.
I consider JWH-018 to be one the "good" synthetic cannabinoids, and that's still legal and fully accessible...
[QUOTE=Anubis678;20575537]I consider JWH-018 to be one the "good" synthetic cannabinoids, and that's still legal and fully accessible...[/QUOTE]
Not in most of Europe :p
the spins never end well.
the best thing I've found to do is just lay down outside so you can save yourself the work of cleaning up.
[QUOTE=catch33;20571796]Yes, but I'm not telling you where. Finding vendors is very easy, and use [url]www.safeorscam.com[/url] to see if your vendor is legit.[/QUOTE]
I'm just having trouble finding a site that will accept PayPal.
i dont think its the spice specifically i smoked 3 g a night with a friend mixed with weed too, and even though we were high we didnt start vomiting
[QUOTE=anders22;20588120]i dont think its the spice specifically i smoked 3 g a night with a friend mixed with weed too, and even though we were high we didnt start vomiting[/QUOTE]
Drugs affect different people in different ways. My friend smoked the same amount I did, if not more and was just Hella baked. I, on the other hand thought I was going to die and vomited everywhere.
[QUOTE=The Doc.;20595982]Drugs affect different people in different ways. My friend smoked the same amount I did, if not more and was just Hella baked. I, on the other hand thought I was going to die and vomited everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Again, it's all about experience.
[QUOTE=The Doc.;20595982]Drugs affect different people in different ways. My friend smoked the same amount I did, if not more and was just Hella baked. I, on the other hand thought I was going to die and vomited everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much sums up exactly how I felt
[QUOTE=Whats This?v3;20582406]I'm just having trouble finding a site that will accept PayPal.[/QUOTE]
If they accept paypal they are basically going to be a scamming website. You will need to pay through something like AlertPay or Western Union, which will require a credit card.
It isn't Spice just because it contains synthetic cannabinoids, so it's hard to tell wether it actually is illegal or not. A hookah works just like a bong, it filters the smoke through water. You should have no problems using one for Cannabis.
Owned.
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