• Pentagon Claims Cyber Attacks Count as Acts of War
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[QUOTE=Fox News]WASHINGTON—The Pentagon has concluded that computer sabotage coming from another country can constitute an act of war, a finding that for the first time opens the door for the U.S. to respond using traditional military force. The Pentagon's first formal cyber strategy, unclassified portions of which are expected to become public next month, represents an early attempt to grapple with a changing world in which a hacker could pose as significant a threat to U.S. nuclear reactors, subways or pipelines as a hostile country's military. In part, the Pentagon intends its plan as a warning to potential adversaries of the consequences of attacking the U.S. in this way. "If you shut down our power grid, maybe we will put a missile down one of your smokestacks," said a military official. Recent attacks on the Pentagon's own systems—as well as the sabotaging of Iran's nuclear program via the Stuxnet computer worm—have given new urgency to U.S. efforts to develop a more formalized approach to cyber attacks. A key moment occurred in 2008, when at least one U.S. military computer system was penetrated. This weekend Lockheed Martin, a major military contractor, acknowledged that it had been the victim of an infiltration, while playing down its impact. The report will also spark a debate over a range of sensitive issues the Pentagon left unaddressed, including whether the U.S. can ever be certain about an attack's origin, and how to define when computer sabotage is serious enough to constitute an act of war. These questions have already been a topic of dispute within the military. One idea gaining momentum at the Pentagon is the notion of "equivalence." If a cyber attack produces the death, damage, destruction or high-level disruption that a traditional military attack would cause, then it would be a candidate for a "use of force" consideration, which could merit retaliation. Read more: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/31/pentagon-cyber-attacks-count-acts-war/#ixzz1NwerogH0[/url][/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/31/pentagon-cyber-attacks-count-acts-war/[/url] Good, in my opinion, as long as they can make sure it's a government action and not a lonely 4chan'er deciding to start WWIII.
Goodbye China.
If a country is stealing your information and shutting things down, then it would be obvious wouldn't it?
"If you shut down our power grid, maybe we will put a missile down one of your smokestacks," i lold
and if your country has oil, all the better
And what if someones hiding behind a proxy? "Yeah we blew the shit out of some village in the middle of England because we know a team of super chinese cyberwarriors (tm) are operating out of there"
[QUOTE=firstblood;30158616]Goodbye China.[/QUOTE] Uhhhhh no.
[QUOTE=firstblood;30158616]Goodbye China.[/QUOTE] Not this shit again, seriously. Get out
[QUOTE=firstblood;30158616]Goodbye China.[/QUOTE] While China is probably hacking into US things, I doubt the US will do anything. War with China would be a pretty crazy thing.
[QUOTE=Mr. N;30159120]While China is probably hacking into US things, I doubt the US will do anything. War with China would be a pretty crazy thing.[/QUOTE] We would lose 10 to 1. Which is why I LOVE china! [img]http://jonathanlangley.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/chinaheart.jpg[/img] [tab]Please don't hurt me China.[/tab]
[QUOTE=markg06;30158866]And what if someones hiding behind a proxy? "Yeah we blew the shit out of some village in the middle of England because we know a team of super chinese cyberwarriors (tm) are operating out of there"[/QUOTE] Pretty sure they aren't going start dropping tomahawks on every idiot that tries to guess the password to pentagon systems, and they won't attack without verification.
We can't fend off virtual attacks so we'll just send our superior military to kick the shit out of the nerds behind them instead. Pretty effective I guess.
The Pentagon sounds pretty dumb.
[QUOTE=LeninStalin;30159200]silliness[/QUOTE] You're not familiar with a concept called "logistics", are you?
No one will attack for shit. Countries these days are extremely dependent on eachother and global war would pretty much wreck economy into an even worse state. If anyone attacks though, we are all pretty much dead because of nukes etc. Edit: Also a note to all americans. You NEED China, you NEED Europe and you NEED Russia. You might be big but these 3 feed you. Almost no country is self sufficient in todays world.
Wars don't start because of some kid with a DDOS botnet, thats what FBI and Interpol is for. Wars start when some country is ready to wage them.
Well, China's already infiltrated and attacked out networks like 5 times in 4 years, that we know of, so it makes sense to prepare for something worse.
[QUOTE=LeninStalin;30159200]We would lose 10 to 1. Which is why I LOVE china![/QUOTE] um what [editline]31st May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Falchion;30161874]a note to all americans. You NEED China, you NEED Europe and you NEED Russia. You might be big but these 3 feed you. Almost no country is self sufficient in todays world.[/QUOTE] they also need the U.S., soo [editline]31st May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=demoguy08;30159496]We can't fend off virtual attacks so we'll just send our superior military to kick the shit out of the nerds behind them instead. Pretty effective I guess.[/QUOTE] i think the point is that it's impossible to catch every attack, so threatening them with military retaliation will stop them trying.
Threat to nuclear power plants? Let me guess, the centeral control computer for the power plant is running Windows 2000 and is plugged right into the internet? And their not gonna be able to find a difference between attacks from other countries or 4chan
[QUOTE=Mr. N;30159120]While China is probably hacking into US things, I doubt the US will do anything. War with China would be a pretty crazy thing.[/QUOTE] We could never attack China because they'd stop loaning us money to buy weapons with
Good, US is telling China to fuck off. Nothing will come of this though (which is probably good).
[QUOTE=DrBreen;30158840]"If you shut down our power grid, maybe we will put a missile down one of your smokestacks," i lold[/QUOTE] [b]It's time[/b] wait, this isn't the ejaculation etiquette thread.
Why are power plants even accessible from the Internet? Surely the smart thing would be to completely isolate them from any network.
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;30164445] they also need the U.S., soo [/QUOTE] Exactly my point
I thought it already was an act of war, I mean come on hacking into the Pentagon for christs sake.
What about the army of North Koreans that bash F5 while on South Korean websites?
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