• AMD shows off Zen
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[t]http://adrenaline.uol.com.br/admin/files/sysmidia/B7cZCZBx4xb2ywBBZZ90azbdWCCZ6A/amd_zen_4.jpg[/t] [t]http://adrenaline.uol.com.br/admin/files/sysmidia/W42D42z28Y40D8Zaxdy3Z2Y41dA5W6/amd_zen_3.jpg[/t] [t]http://adrenaline.uol.com.br/admin/files/sysmidia/Z31Bx0y7b488WZb88BdB00x40bZA7b/amd_zen_5.jpg[/t] [t]http://adrenaline.uol.com.br/admin/files/sysmidia/x8xDB0Zwc6bw7042WA23W1DbZ6ccW3/amd_zen_1.jpg[/t] [t]http://adrenaline.uol.com.br/admin/files/sysmidia/3Cd46WZcZ4ZB564WA7Cbbw8zZB7w6z/amd_zen_2.jpg[/t] [QUOTE]AMD on Thursday finally unveiled its new Zen microarchitecture, with a pair of CPUs that could put the company back into the fight with Intel’s best. AMD said its Summit Ridge CPU, aimed at high-performance desktops, will pack 8 cores and feature simultaneous multi-threading technology to give it 16 threads of processing power. Summit Ridge is targeted for Q1 2017, though a trickle of chips could appear sooner. A second chip for servers, code-named Naples, will feature an astounding 32 cores with SMT, giving it 64 threads per CPU. SMT is similar to Intel’s Hyper-Threading technology, which splits a single core into two virtual cores for more performance. To prove that Zen has the right stuff, AMD officials on Wednesday night demonstrated before a crowd of reporters and analysts that an 8-core Zen could run just as fast as Intel’s newest 8-core consumer Core i7 chip. AMD’s Summit Ridge SoC (left) running at 3GHz can run a Blender render just as fast as a Core i7-6900K (right) running at 3GHz. [B]Why this matters:[/B] Up to now, some had speculated that Zen would fall short. Recently-leaked benchmarks seemed to indicate it was no better than Intel’s Haswell microarchitecture released more than two years ago. If other tests back up AMD’s demonstration, however, it appears to run neck-and-neck with the newly released Broadwell-E. If AMD can live up to its promise, it's great news for the company as well as for consumers. [...] Naples brings 32 cores and 128 threads It’s not just about the desktop, either. AMD also wowed the crowd by demonstrating its server-oriented Naples SoC running in a dual-processor system. With each Naples packing 32 cores and SMT, that means a Naples-based server would feature 128 threads of compute power. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.pcworld.com/article/3109327/hardware/let-the-cpu-wars-begin-amd-shows-its-zen-cpu-can-compete-with-intels-best.html"]http://www.pcworld.com/article/3109327/hardware/let-the-cpu-wars-begin-amd-shows-its-zen-cpu-can-compete-with-intels-best.html [url]http://www.gamespot.com/articles/amd-shows-upcoming-zen-cpu-beating-intels-broadwel/1100-6442765/[/url] [url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/10578/amd-zen-microarchitecture-dual-schedulers-micro-op-cache-memory-hierarchy-revealed[/url] [/URL]
While it's pretty unlikely AMD will just overtake intel when it comes to CPUs. I'm pretty happy that they'll be viable again just because of competition. Unless you're building a very low-end/specialized system, AMD isn't even worth a look when it comes to CPUs.
I sure hope they're competitive. The prices on Intel stuff has gone insane in Canada. [url]http://www.memoryexpress.com/Category/Processors[/url]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50908751]While it's pretty unlikely AMD will just overtake intel when it comes to CPUs. I'm pretty happy that they'll be viable again just because of competition. Unless you're building a very low-end/specialized system, AMD isn't even worth a look when it comes to CPUs.[/QUOTE] it'd be nice to get some vr-capable cpus in a lower price point
I am going to put together a new system at the end of this year and I was mainly looking at Intel after spending the last ~12 years with AMD. Have they mentioned anything about redesigning the socket? I am sick of accidentally bending CPU pins and then spending like 20 minutes to meticulously bend them back into place with a butter knife.
[QUOTE=false prophet;50908909] I am sick of accidentally bending CPU pins and then spending like 20 minutes to meticulously bend them back into place with a butter knife.[/QUOTE] How do you even do that?
[QUOTE=false prophet;50908909]I am going to put together a new system at the end of this year and I was mainly looking at Intel after spending the last ~12 years with AMD. Have they mentioned anything about redesigning the socket? I am sick of accidentally bending CPU pins and then spending like 20 minutes to meticulously bend them back into place with a butter knife.[/QUOTE] It's a new socket but the pin design is the same. But seriously tho just be careful lol
[QUOTE=false prophet;50908909]\I am sick of accidentally bending CPU pins and then spending like 20 minutes to meticulously bend them back into place with a butter knife.[/QUOTE] Have you thought that maybe you're the problem and not AMD's socket
To be fair Intel started using contacts because of pins bending and breaking
[QUOTE=false prophet;50908909]I am going to put together a new system at the end of this year and I was mainly looking at Intel after spending the last ~12 years with AMD. Have they mentioned anything about redesigning the socket? I am sick of accidentally bending CPU pins and then spending like 20 minutes to meticulously bend them back into place with a butter knife.[/QUOTE] ?? Maybe if you stopped using your big ape hands and slamming it into the socket and doing it carefully aye.
[QUOTE=64fanatic;50908902]I sure hope they're competitive. The prices on Intel stuff has gone insane in Canada. [url]http://www.memoryexpress.com/Category/Processors[/url][/QUOTE] Wow, it's like Intel i7s could have been a better financial investment than gold.
[QUOTE=64fanatic;50908902]I sure hope they're competitive. The prices on Intel stuff has gone insane in Canada. [url]http://www.memoryexpress.com/Category/Processors[/url][/QUOTE] Good thing I bought my 4790k before our dollar collapsed
gaming shouldnt and probably isnt the real concern for amd. They need to move an assload of laptop/server SKUs for zen to be successful and get them into the black... or they are in big trouble. Desktop gaming PCs are a secondary market and move a very small number of units in the grand scheme of things.
[QUOTE=64fanatic;50908902]I sure hope they're competitive. The prices on Intel stuff has gone insane in Canada. [url]http://www.memoryexpress.com/Category/Processors[/url][/QUOTE] As a European which gets the euro tax this make me want to cry. What the fuck are those prices
[QUOTE=nintenman1;50909315]gaming shouldnt and probably isnt the real concern for amd. They need to move an assload of laptop/server SKUs for zen to be successful and get them into the black... or they are in big trouble. Desktop gaming PCs are a secondary market and move a very small number of units in the grand scheme of things.[/QUOTE] Looks like they're targeting the enthusiast and server markets first. Zen APUs are coming in 2017.
Intels prices have put me off upgrading my 3570k, 6700k is £300 here.
[QUOTE=false prophet;50908909]I am going to put together a new system at the end of this year and I was mainly looking at Intel after spending the last ~12 years with AMD. Have they mentioned anything about redesigning the socket? I am sick of accidentally bending CPU pins and then spending like 20 minutes to meticulously bend them back into place with a butter knife.[/QUOTE] lol how do you even bend the pins dont most motherboards come with a lever these days?
[QUOTE=Ogris;50909430]As a European which gets the euro tax this make me want to cry. What the fuck are those prices[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/TtVXVak.jpg[/img] Plus import taxes and markup
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50908751]While it's pretty unlikely AMD will just overtake intel when it comes to CPUs. I'm pretty happy that they'll be viable again just because of competition. Unless you're building a very low-end/specialized system, AMD isn't even worth a look when it comes to CPUs.[/QUOTE] Well they ran a side by side comparison for a crowd of people with Zen's 8 core vs the 6900K, both clocked to 3ghz, racing to render a scene in blender and the Zen beat it by a hair, it was almost a tie I'm hoping for Intel specs at FX prices, and so far it LOOKS like these are right there side by side with intels. Of course we're all going to have to get new motherboards with the new socket so that's going to offset the savings a bit
[QUOTE=Lady Luna;50909527]Intels prices have put me off upgrading my 3570k, 6700k is £300 here.[/QUOTE] you don't even need to upgrade the 3570k for a couple more years at least. it's still a competent processor and upgrading won't really provide any huge benefits people are still rocking i5-2500k's up until the very end i made that mistake last time i upgraded i went from a i5-3570k to an i5-4690k and with the money i spent on that i could've gone for a much better graphics card rather than a gtx 760
what i care about is this cheaper than intel
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50910924]what i care about is this cheaper than intel[/QUOTE] for a long time now, AMD has been the more 'budget friendly' option when it has come to both the cpu/gpu market. honestly, i think it's safe to say, to remain competitive, i'm sure their pricing will be nowhere near as expensive as intel.
[QUOTE=Slippery-Q;50911795]for a long time now, AMD has been the more 'budget friendly' option when it has come to both the cpu/gpu market. honestly, i think it's safe to say, to remain competitive, i'm sure their pricing will be nowhere near as expensive as intel.[/QUOTE] But right now they're budget for a reasob - they're crap. Even Intel's i3s beat most of the AMD lineup
[QUOTE=NightmareX91;50910806]you don't even need to upgrade the 3570k for a couple more years at least. it's still a competent processor and upgrading won't really provide any huge benefits people are still rocking i5-2500k's up until the very end i made that mistake last time i upgraded i went from a i5-3570k to an i5-4690k and with the money i spent on that i could've gone for a much better graphics card rather than a gtx 760[/QUOTE] You don't need to upgrade period unless you want faster memory if you have an i7. Anandtech recently did a resweep with the 980x and it still performs within 10-15% of the 6700 K on virtually any task outside of raytracing and fluid simulation. The only logjam in a [B]6 year old processor[/B] is that the memory standard is two and half times slower, and once whatever program you have in memory actually loads, you're unlikely to notice a difference thereafter unless you have issue with frametimes like nvidia was until the current driver and AMD still is on HBM1. The bottleneck in gaming right now is actually the dram, not the processor, and things outside of stuff like cinebench or software based video encoding haven't been process locked in years, unless your coders are just inexperienced or bad. Yay monopolies.:quotes:
[QUOTE=27X;50912755]You don't need to upgrade period unless you want faster memory if you have an i7. Anandtech recently did a resweep with the 980x and it still performs within 10-15% of the 6700 K on virtually any task outside of raytracing and fluid simulation. The only logjam in a [B]6 year old processor[/B] is that the memory standard is two and half times slower, and once whatever program you have in memory actually loads, you're unlikely to notice a difference thereafter unless you have issue with frametimes like nvidia was until the current driver and AMD still is on HBM1. The bottleneck in gaming right now is actually the dram, not the processor, and things outside of stuff like cinebench or software based video encoding haven't been process locked in years, unless your coders are just inexperienced or bad. Yay monopolies.:quotes:[/QUOTE] Intel may not be getting better in the speed department, but things are getting better and better in the power efficiency area. [editline]19th August 2016[/editline] Its not like theyre doing absolutely nothibg
They're still moving at a snail's pace in several key areas compared to ten years ago, and very little of that has to do with Moore's law hitting a ceiling or electron leakage. You'll recall Intel didn't even want to make the iX because it was "too expensive" to spin up.
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