• Radioactive water overruns Fukushima barrier - TEPCO
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[quote] Contaminated groundwater accumulating under the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant has risen 60cm above the protective barrier, and is now freely leaking into the Pacific Ocean, the plant’s operator TEPCO has admitted. [/quote] [url]http://rt.com/news/fukushima-water-overrun-barrier-335/[/url]
GG Tepco, not like you had at least a decade to get this shit sorted out before it became a major problem. Assholes.
Alright, before we all panic, I'm curious of just how large of an impact this could have on marine life and fishing, so on. This isn't Chernobyl levels, sure, but it's still radioactive, meaning not friendly to biological creatures.
I am keeping an eye on this as it develops, I feel like we have yet to hear the worst part of it.
Read the article a bit and it's pretty concerning. TEPCO says they're just going to increase pumping, but apparently its pretty much too late as the radioactivity has gotten out pretty quickly since 2011. This is gonna look bad for future nuclear power plants.
We just keep filling the oceans with all sorts of toxic junk, don't we? Goddammit. :(
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;41784759]We just keep filling the oceans with all sorts of toxic junk, don't we? Goddammit. :([/QUOTE] With all the plastic, the recent oil fuckery in the Gulf, and now the Pacific going radioactive, it's gonna be one hell of a ride. Either something comes along or we take the Beijing approach and start jacking up the price of clean water (Beijing selling 'clean air spots' to tourists). I sincerely doubt it'll come to that, but hell, you never know.
We need the Japanese miracle from GitS, The radiation scrubbers
"wow I live in NY i better start buying iodine pills for when the entire ocean turns to radiation and mutates and kills everyone" -my local idiots
[quote] TEPCO and the Agency for Natural Resources and Energy of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry of Japan are deciding on the urgent strengthening of the protective barrier. [/quote]
Didn't we know this a week ago? The cleanup is horribly mismanaged. Differences aside (because there's a fair number of fine details which make the two incidents different), the soviets had No. 4 and the surrounding area well into cleanup and containment in half a year. Back at Fukushima they're STILL working on covering the exposed and damaged reactor buildings and there's major groundwater contamination.
I think the last week reporting was about how TEPCO mis-reported about how bad the situation was, though I'm not entirely sure.
It's not so much that nuclear power plants are a disaster waiting to happen, it's the fact that the people in charge of them make policies like these that fail to work because they're too busy stuffing their wallets to see the threat.
How bad is this? Won't the radiation get diluted by the sheer size of the ocean?
They still don't say just how radioactive this water is. Which is incredibly important to know what effect it will have on local ecosystems and seafood. [editline]10th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=IKTM;41785050]How bad is this? Won't the radiation get diluted by the sheer size of the ocean?[/QUOTE] Its not as bad as people are probably thinking. There's detectable radiation all over the ocean and in seafood from naturally occurring Potassium-40, and past nuclear incidents but for these to be harmful you would need to eat a stupidly huge amount of fish which is bad for you anyway. After the initial fukushima incident they were finding a large detectable increase in radiation (tuna was the sample) but still not a harmful increase. So unless they're dumping live control rods into the sea I doubt there will be anynoticeable impact in the future. That being said, any extra radiation is bad and things such as this need to be taken care of quickly. Bioaccumulation is still a thing and radiation levels will ever so slowly increase when we dump a detectable amount into the sea. Radiation will also linger around in sediments for years to come. This is why I keep asking to know the specific levels that are being dumped. It's likely bad but not disastrous.
[QUOTE=Vaught;41784783]With all the plastic, the recent oil fuckery in the Gulf, and now the Pacific going radioactive, it's gonna be one hell of a ride. Either something comes along or we take the Beijing approach and start jacking up the price of clean water (Beijing selling 'clean air spots' to tourists). I sincerely doubt it'll come to that, but hell, you never know.[/QUOTE] I'm sure we wont get to Beijing levels, thorium reactors, and eventually fusion reactors will replace fossil fuels. Maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic about our species pulling its shit together though :(
Have a related article from when the radioactive fish stories were circulating:[url]http://deepseanews.com/2012/06/detectable-but-not-hazardous-radioactive-marine-life-of-fukushima/[/url] Note that only 10%-30% of the detectable radiation found in the seafood was from Fukushima.
[QUOTE=Stroma;41784634][url]http://rt.com/news/fukushima-water-overrun-barrier-335/[/url][/QUOTE] The source is from Russia Today, which is rather untrustworthy.
[QUOTE=Nannak;41785464]The source is from Russia Today, which is rather untrustworthy.[/QUOTE] there's always one of you in every thread i make snip apparently mods dont like LMGTFY links just google tepco fukushima
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;41784759]We just keep filling the oceans with all sorts of toxic junk, don't we? Goddammit. :([/QUOTE] Don't worry water is a tough fucker
And this all wouldn't have happened if they had kept up to date with all the safety procedures as they were told to
Does anyone have a map predicting the effects of their shit going on? I [B]still[/B] cannot get solid information of past, present, or future happenings with this shit. I live directly on the coast of California so it's well enough relevant for me to care. And to be honest their handling of this is starting to piss me off.
thanks obama
[QUOTE=frozensoda;41784711]I am keeping an eye on this as it develops, I feel like we have yet to hear the worst part of it.[/QUOTE] "We also happened to let some killer fishmen get loose. Woops."
[QUOTE=OvB;41785065]They still don't say just how radioactive this water is. Which is incredibly important to know what effect it will have on local ecosystems and seafood. [editline]10th August 2013[/editline] Its not as bad as people are probably thinking. There's detectable radiation all over the ocean and in seafood from naturally occurring Potassium-40, and past nuclear incidents but for these to be harmful you would need to eat a stupidly huge amount of fish which is bad for you anyway. After the initial fukushima incident they were finding a large detectable increase in radiation (tuna was the sample) but still not a harmful increase. So unless they're dumping live control rods into the sea I doubt there will be anynoticeable impact in the future. That being said, any extra radiation is bad and things such as this need to be taken care of quickly. Bioaccumulation is still a thing and radiation levels will ever so slowly increase when we dump a detectable amount into the sea. Radiation will also linger around in sediments for years to come. This is why I keep asking to know the specific levels that are being dumped. It's likely bad but not disastrous.[/QUOTE] OvB, I'm sure I've seen you answer this before but are you an actual Marine Scientist? You seem to know a lot about the Ocean and it's always really interesting reading your posts.
I was curious as to how TEPCO's stocks have been affected from all this. Recovering, but I suspect more drops to come. [img]http://i.imgur.com/cRphOu3.png[/img]
[QUOTE=dookster;41790735]OvB, I'm sure I've seen you answer this before but are you an actual Marine Scientist? You seem to know a lot about the Ocean and it's always really interesting reading your posts.[/QUOTE] Not yet. Will be someday.
[QUOTE=pentium;41784916]Didn't we know this a week ago? The cleanup is horribly mismanaged. Differences aside (because there's a fair number of fine details which make the two incidents different), the soviets had No. 4 and the surrounding area well into cleanup and containment in half a year. Back at Fukushima they're STILL working on covering the exposed and damaged reactor buildings and there's major groundwater contamination.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the Soviets had the advantage of being able to [I]literally[/I] throw hundreds of thousands of men at the problem. In a democracy, it's bound to be more slow and difficult because you need to find people that are actually willing to help fix the problem.
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