Syrian forces may have used gas without Assad's permission according to German Bild am Sonntag paper - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Syrian government forces may have carried out a chemical weapons attack close to Damascus without the personal permission of President Bashar al-Assad, [B]Germany's Bild am Sonntag paper reported on Sunday, citing German intelligence[/B]. [B]Syrian brigade and division commanders had been asking the Presidential Palace to allow them to use chemical weapons for the last four-and-a-half months, according to radio messages intercepted by German spies, [U]but permission had always been denied[/U], the paper said.[/B] This could mean Assad may not have personally approved the attack close to Damascus on August 21 in which more than 1,400 are estimated to have been killed, intelligence officers suggested. [B] Germany's foreign intelligence agency (BND) could not be reached for comment.[/B] Bild said the radio traffic was intercepted by a German naval reconnaissance vessel, the Oker, sailing close to the Syrian coast. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/08/us-syria-crisis-germany-idUSBRE98707B20130908"]Reuters Today[/URL] As always, take things with a grain of salt. I don't know what kind of source Bild is, but I guess important enough for Reuters to pick it up.

"Doesn't matter, I have to satisfy this war-boner, I HAVE TO SPREAD THE JIZZ OF FREEDOM TO THE WORLD!" -Obama

But then-... Who do we booooomb? :c

[QUOTE=Riller;42119617]But then-... Who do we booooomb? :c[/QUOTE] Germany

Lol Bild

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42119631]Germany[/QUOTE] Oh. I'm okay with that. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-Z0309-310,_Zerst%C3%B6rtes_Dresden.jpg[/IMG]

Isn't Der Bild the German version of The Sun, and therefore not a great source for news? Either way, if this were to be proven true, it would be interesting to see how those in favour of intervention would react and if they would change their minds

This does make sense. Why would Assad use chemical weapons in a war he was already winning after he was warned that it would make America intervene?

[QUOTE=butt2089;42119647]Isn't Der Bild the German version of The Sun, and therefore not a great source for news? Either way, if this were to be proven true, it would be interesting to see how those in favour of intervention would react and if they would change their minds[/QUOTE] It pretty much is "According to Der Spiegel, Bild is a newspaper that flies just under the nonsense threshold of American and British tabloids. For the German desperate, it's a daily dose of high-resolution soft porn.[6]" (Then again Der Spiegel could be considered its rival..) Anyway, if it is true I don't think it changes [I]that[/I] much. Most of the people who are in favour of intervention are in favour of sending a message to prevent anyone from using chemical weapons again. Perhaps the planned intervention wouldn't be the best idea, but still something could be done. Also, the source is the BND; they were the source of the Iraqi mobile chemical lab intel.. [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Aidan_088;42119653]This does make sense. Why would Assad use chemical weapons in a war he was already winning after he was warned that it would make America intervene?[/QUOTE] The theory I have heard thrown around kind of makes sense IMO. The theory is that he wanted to create a buffer zone around Damascus by using a weapon that would force people out and prevent them coming back for a while.

If it was used by the Syrian military it doesn't matter if the president personally approved it or not.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42119780]If it was used by the Syrian military it doesn't matter if the president personally approved it or not.[/QUOTE] either way, someone should get bombed for this, doesn't really even matter who [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] it would send a message [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] not sure what sort of message, but who cares

As I just told sweb privately I'd recommend completely disregarding Bild and waiting for a somewhat legitimate source. [B]Edit:[/B] [QUOTE=Jsm;42119700] Also, the source is the BND; they were the source of the Iraqi mobile chemical lab intel..[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be too surprised if Bild would be misquoting the BND.

In germany theres the good newspapers like Sueddeutsche, and then theres Bild, which is more tabloid shit and overall a not so good source of information. Sometimes I get it, but its just to see the picture of the naked girl featured that day/week or whatever

I trust Germany, they're experts on gas.

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42119631]Germany[/QUOTE] Just like the good ol' days.

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;42119788]either way, someone should get bombed for this, doesn't really even matter who[/QUOTE] What the hell, is this really so hard a concept to understand? Before, we were talking about bombing the Syrian military for using gas against civilians. Now, we're talking about bombing the Syrian military for using gas against civilians. The Syrian government isn't apologizing for it or claiming it was an accident, nor have they made any effort to claim it wasn't intended and bring charges against the officer who ordered the attack. The military is still responsible, whether or not the president of the country personally authorized the attacks or not.

Oh, god... Not Bild..

Its still Assad's problem if he can't keep control of his own chemical weapon stockpile.

As a German, I can tell you, the "Bild" is a terrible, opinionated and just in general shitty newspaper. Wrong facts everywhere, mixed with lies and opinions.

Die Bild is the most sensationalist shitbag of journalism in Germany. I wouldn't exactly trust them on this one.

[QUOTE=Riller;42119617]But then-... Who do we booooomb? :c[/QUOTE] Still the Syrian government, they are responsible for the actions of their military. I mean can you imagine if countries could just say that they didn't order this or that and that the military acted on it's own? They would get away with doing this kind of shit.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42119780]If it was used by the Syrian military it doesn't matter if the president personally approved it or not.[/QUOTE] It kind of does matter.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42120679]It kind of does matter.[/QUOTE] Why? Why can't the military that uses chemical weapons on civilians be targeted just because the man who is supposed to be in-charge of it can't keep control over all the chemical weapons he ordered to be manufactured.

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;42119788]not sure what sort of message, but who cares[/QUOTE] "Don't kill people with banned weapons of massed destruction" seems like a pretty good message to me

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42120702]Why? Why can't the military that uses chemical weapons on civilians be targeted just because the man who is supposed to be in-charge of it can't keep control over all the chemical weapons he ordered to be manufactured.[/QUOTE] Since this new intellienge (if it is correct) states that it was individual commanders that ordered the strikes, it would be better to push for their surrender instead since their actions does not represent the millitary as a whole.

[QUOTE=kaven;42120856]Since this new intellienge (if it is correct) states that it was individual commanders that ordered the strikes, it would be better to push for their surrender instead since their actions does not represent the millitary as a whole.[/QUOTE] Have you seen any evidence that the rest of the military and government are denouncing these actions and calling for repercussions against the responsible parties? If the rest of the government is tacitly approving of these attacks then it doesn't matter who exactly is pushing the button.

[QUOTE=kaven;42120856]Since this new intellienge (if it is correct) states that it was individual commanders that ordered the strikes, it would be better to push for their surrender instead since their actions does not represent the millitary as a whole.[/QUOTE] So now there are rebels, the military, and the rouge military?

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;42119788]either way, someone should get bombed for this, doesn't really even matter who [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] it would send a message [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] not sure what sort of message, but who cares[/QUOTE] i agree, that's why we need to bomb ourselves it's the only thing that makes sense

It's like history repeating itself - first the media was full of reports on possible WMD's in Iraq, then the invasion and they found nothing there. Now this chemical attack/weapons in Syria (though the case is still being investigated) and the US is ready to go to war?

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42120714]"Don't kill people with banned weapons of massed destruction" seems like a pretty good message to me[/QUOTE] Although be tactical about delivering the message. That means carpetbombing is out of the question.