Super Shitty Computer, need to upgrade PSU, Video Card and Processor (but p much everything)

[Eeshton]

K so I have an amazingly shit computer, and even though I think I know what I need to upgrade, I'm sure you guys have better knowledge so just whatever

I have 100 dollars, and a birthday coming up but I also have a job so there's that, i dont have a problem with saving up a good bit.

Specs:

NVIDIA 9500 GT
AMD Anthlon II X2
4 GB RAM
Windows Vista Home Premium - 32 Bit
and my PSU is so old it's website is wonky: [url]http://www.elogisys.com/viewsku.asp?SKUID=PS480D2&DID=POWERSUPPLY[/url]

yeah so if you're going to ask for more detail, assume im retarded and explain it to me

My friend recommends a computer overhaul, which while I don't currently have the money, I have a good-ish job so I can make some money pretty quickly, maybe 3 weeks at most to get about 800-900 total. Also, I live in the US.

[Taipan]

What do you want to use it for?

If its gaming with new games on high quality, save up 1200 and its easy enough to give you a build.
700-800 will work, you just have to make concessions.

[Eeshton]

New games on high quality would be nice but I don't think I have the will to save up that much money. New games on medium/low quality would work fine, I don't really play NEW games that often and when I do it's not for graphics.

[striker453]

1000 dollar is the threshold to making a good computer especially since i assume nothing can be salvaged but, as taipan said 700-800 is still definitely do able

[Eeshton]

Well it's a matter of 100 dollars, I suppose I could save up to 1000. Like, it's not a set price, I don't get paid 200 each week, I get paid (depending on how many hours) anywhere from 220 to 320. so it's really not a SET thing.

[striker453]

its your money so you can decide how much you want to spend set a price and we can work with it.

[Eeshton]

Aight, 1000 bucks seems like an even price.

[striker453]

Motherboard: AsRock Z77 Extreme 4 ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspxItem=N82E16813157293[/url]) ($135)
CPU: i5 3570k ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504[/url]) ($230)
RAM: Corsair Xm3 (2x4gb) ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233335[/url]) ($47)
SSD: Samsung 840 128gb ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147192[/url]) ($150)
HDD: Seagate barracuda 1TB ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840[/url]) ($80)
GPU: Radeon Sapphire HD7970 ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202006[/url]) ($299 - $280 with rebate)
Case: Corsair C70 ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139014[/url]) ($100)
MY MISTAKE I FORGOT A PSU in that build: Corsair builder 500W ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139027[/url])
I think that's $1022 altogether you can cut out the SSD if you want to save $150 or someone can recommend better or cheaper parts

Other cases to consider: Corsair 300r (its cheaper), Antec 300 (or 302), NZXT 410

[Eeshton]

Oh, I forgot to mention I'm fine with my current HDD. Also, am I building a completely new PC? Jeez. I'll look over your suggestions now thanks.

Done. jesus christ that's gonna be a really good computer, thanks a shitload. Also, how do you suggest I put the parts together? I really really would not like to learn how to build myself to be perfectly honest, one of my dad's friends has installed an HDD for me and has a degree in this shit so I could probably get him to do it.

[striker453]

You don't need a degree to put together a pc

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls[/media]

MY MISTAKE I FORGOT A PSU in that build: Corsair builder 500W ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027[/url])

If its getting expensive you can take out the SSD or switch to a lower graphic card etc

[Eeshton]

I understand it's simple but I'm a) scared I'll break a part b) honestly I probably will not use this skill again, I'll build this PC wait 5 years and get a new one. I'm not trying to disregard your suggestions, it's just I really do not want to build it myself.

[HolyCrapAWalrus]

Case - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139008[/url]
Optical drive - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139008[/url]
SSD - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820239045[/url]
GPU - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150605[/url]
PSU - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182133[/url]
RAM - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233335[/url]
Motherboard - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293[/url]
CPU - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504[/url]
Heatsink - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099[/url]

$1006 w/ shipping - $45 MIR = $961 Total

Striker's build didn't have a PSU. You're going to need to get a hold of a 64-bit operating system to use that RAM, and when adding your old HDD to your new build you'll have to reinstall Windows. [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416562[/url] is your best option. Even if you don't like Windows 8, it's worth saving $30 over an older OS.

[editline]21st January 2013[/editline]

Building is extreeeeemely easy, don't worry about fucking something up. It's just like fancy expensive legos.

[bohb]

[QUOTE=Eeshton;39306784]and my PSU is so old it's website is wonky: [url]http://www.elogisys.com/viewsku.asp?SKUID=PS480D2&DID=POWERSUPPLY[/url].[/QUOTE]

Logisys still makes these.

They're INCREDIBLY shitty PSUs. They actually can't output anywhere near 480W without exploding and have horrible voltage regulation and high ripple current. Sadly I sell tons of these to customers, because they can't justify spending $40 for a decent Antec PSU on their older machines (these Logisys PSUs go for as low as $15.)

I've taken dozens of these things apart, and their build quality is downright scary. They have no transient filtering stage (so they backfeed transistor switching frequency into the mains), they have no bridge rectifier (uses a wheatstone bridge of usually 2-3A diodes, which means a maximum power draw of 200-280W before the diodes burn) and they use an ATX spec from 12 years ago.

But despite these shortcomings, I rarely get a unit back that has failed. Probably because they're only used in older machines. The most common failure are the fan bearings seizing up.

[Killervalon]

Sorry, I can't stop laughing over the DUAL FAN PSU haha ^^

[rhx123]

[QUOTE=Killervalon;39316535]Sorry, I can't stop laughing over the DUAL FAN PSU haha ^^[/QUOTE]

Must be pretty noisy.

[Eeshton]

[QUOTE=Killervalon;39316535]Sorry, I can't stop laughing over the DUAL FAN PSU haha ^^[/QUOTE]

thank you for your amazing help you're truly a valued poster

[QUOTE=rhx123;39316687]Must be pretty noisy.[/QUOTE]

the computer is literally turned towards me and is right next to ear and i can't hear it.

[editline]23rd January 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39308875]Case - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139008[/url]
Optical drive - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139008[/url]
SSD - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820239045[/url]
GPU - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150605[/url]
PSU - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182133[/url]
RAM - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233335[/url]
Motherboard - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293[/url]
CPU - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504[/url]
Heatsink - [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099[/url]

$1006 w/ shipping - $45 MIR = $961 Total

Striker's build didn't have a PSU. You're going to need to get a hold of a 64-bit operating system to use that RAM, and when adding your old HDD to your new build you'll have to reinstall Windows. [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416562[/url] is your best option. Even if you don't like Windows 8, it's worth saving $30 over an older OS.

[editline]21st January 2013[/editline]

Building is extreeeeemely easy, don't worry about fucking something up. It's just like fancy expensive legos.[/QUOTE]

Woah thanks, I don't really need to replace my HDD though do I? I've got a 1tb recently bought HDD after my old one crashed, and I can reuse some parts from this PC can't I? I talked with Striker and he said the SSD is also optional. Also, I think going to re-use my current case to build it (which I've decided to do after seeing it's not as fragile as I thought)

[HolyCrapAWalrus]

Yeah you'll still be able to use that hard drive, the SSD is just for speeding things up (Windows, games, resource heavy applications). Which case do you currently have?

[Eeshton]

Would this be a good build:

Motherboard: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293[/url]
CPU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504[/url]
Ram: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233335[/url]
SSD: None
HDD: Re-use my old one
GPU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202006[/url]
PSU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182133[/url]
Heatsink: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099[/url]

Total Price: $835 with no rebates and not including shipping

Not bad. I just got laid off so it might be a while before I get that, but it's a good price, I think.

[editline]23rd January 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39321612]Yeah you'll still be able to use that hard drive, the SSD is just for speeding things up (Windows, games, resource heavy applications). Which case do you currently have?[/QUOTE]

[img]http://www.tigercomputers.net/resources/Compaq_Presario_Media_Center_Desktop_PC_LTO-detail[1].jpg[/img]

[HolyCrapAWalrus]

Definitely going to want a new case, prebuilt ones like those are terrifying to work with. Also, that looks like it'd be an mATX case so the motherboard wouldn't fit and I'm fairly certain that the graphics card would be way too long as well. Make sure you don't need an optical drive for anything, if you do they're only $20. Other than that your build looks good, try to find something you like in the sub $100 range from Corsair, Cooler Master, Bitfenix, Rosewill, NZXT, and Fractal Design. They're going to offer the best cases in that price range. If you plan on reusing your current OS, try to find if a 64-bit disc came with it or you'll only be able to use 4gb of RAM. Sorry about your job :/

[Mr. Agree]

[QUOTE=Eeshton;39308587]I understand it's simple but I'm a) scared I'll break a part b) honestly I probably will not use this skill again, I'll build this PC wait 5 years and get a new one. I'm not trying to disregard your suggestions, it's just I really do not want to build it myself.[/QUOTE]

I was the same, it's easy. Just removing cables from the motherboard which was hard personally, something you won't need to do unless you eventually move all your stuff into a newer case.

[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39321893]Definitely going to want a new case, prebuilt ones like those are terrifying to work with. Also, that looks like it'd be an mATX case so the motherboard wouldn't fit and I'm fairly certain that the graphics card would be way too long as well. Make sure you don't need an optical drive for anything, if you do they're only $20. Other than that your build looks good, try to find something you like in the sub $100 range from Corsair, Cooler Master, Bitfenix, Rosewill, NZXT, and Fractal Design. They're going to offer the best cases in that price range. If you plan on reusing your current OS, try to find if a 64-bit disc came with it or you'll only be able to use 4gb of RAM. Sorry about your job :/[/QUOTE]

Think it only uses 3.5gb of ram, correct me if i'm wrong.

[Shadaez]

[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;39344380]
Think it only uses 3.5gb of ram, correct me if i'm wrong.[/QUOTE]

You're wrong, vram is included. if you had 0 vram (like an onboard GPU that uses system RAM) the entire 4GB would be useable.

[DementedKilla]

[QUOTE=Eeshton;39306784]NVIDIA 9500 GT
AMD Anthlon II X2
4 GB RAM
Windows Vista Home Premium - 32 Bit
and my PSU is so old[/QUOTE]

I wish I had more information regarding your motherboard and RAM make/model. If you just had a 9600gt instead, things wouldn't be so bad(video performance wise, depending on the speed of the processor). Which brings me to the processor speed... I hope you have atleast a 56-- or higher version in there, or you might as well throw that thing away, or use it as a word processor - your choice. Having four gigabytes of RAM isn't bad but, if you're a gamer - you're going to want high performance RAM, as two gigabytes of high performance RAM can out perform 4 gigabytes of shitty RAM any day. I would recommend most of your money be spent on upgrading to Windows 7 as priority, and all else secondary(going by the value ofc). It's eating me up that I can't see your system spec's in full! If I had your motherboard model and version, I could easily help you out(i.e- if your motherboard is able to fit a later model processor, PCI-E 8 or 16?, what type of RAM and how much can it carry?) By doing some research for you, I'm sure I could help you to achieve a better system without spending one thousand USD.

Here's what I'm slanging:
Motherboard: nForce 680i Alienware
GPU: Radeon 4890 1 gigabyte RAM
Processor: Core2Duo E6750 up from 2.6 @ 3.2
RAM: Corsair CM2X 2048x2(High Performance)

This system cost no more than $300-500 USD and here I am 1/25/13 keeping up and ripping headsh(+)ts no matter what game I'm playing. There has not been a game that I can't play on high settings, with the exception of one or two -- Crysis: Extreme Settings, even though I only use that game as a benchmark, it still burns me up. I'm a bit of a guru when it comes to PC's, I've played around with them so much - if I had your system, I'd make it work(with the exception of that processor, seriously man, if it's under 5600 - I'd probably use it as an old server or something :rolleyes: Anyway, I would love to help out but, you're going to have to help me help you by supplying some more information on that motherboard. You could use a program like CPU-Z to figure out what type of board you have, it also has some other useful information, like RAM, Video, and other IT stuff that you might not yet need to know - Give it a try!! Google CPU-Z.
So you have many options when it comes to finding the right system just for you, even on a lower budget. Spending one thousand dollars on a PC is just mad living in the times we are currently in. I hope you find a solution soon because you are missing a ton of epic action in the games currently on the market.

[striker453]

[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39350854]I wish I had more information regarding your motherboard and RAM make/model. If you just had a 9600gt instead, things wouldn't be so bad(video performance wise, depending on the speed of the processor). Which brings me to the processor speed... I hope you have atleast a 56-- or higher version in there, or you might as well throw that thing away, or use it as a word processor - your choice. Having four gigabytes of RAM isn't bad but, if you're a gamer - you're going to want high performance RAM, as two gigabytes of high performance RAM can out perform 4 gigabytes of shitty RAM any day. I would recommend most of your money be spent on upgrading to Windows 7 as priority, and all else secondary(going by the value ofc). It's eating me up that I can't see your system spec's in full! If I had your motherboard model and version, I could easily help you out(i.e- if your motherboard is able to fit a later model processor, PCI-E 8 or 16?, what type of RAM and how much can it carry?) By doing some research for you, I'm sure I could help you to achieve a better system without spending one thousand USD.

Here's what I'm slanging:
Motherboard: nForce 680i Alienware
GPU: Radeon 4890 1 gigabyte RAM
Processor: Core2Duo E6750 up from 2.6 @ 3.2
RAM: Corsair CM2X 2048x2(High Performance)

This system cost no more than $300-500 USD and here I am 1/25/13 keeping up and ripping headsh(+)ts no matter what game I'm playing. There has not been a game that I can't play on high settings, with the exception of one or two -- Crysis: Extreme Settings, even though I only use that game as a benchmark, it still burns me up. I'm a bit of a guru when it comes to PC's, I've played around with them so much - if I had your system, I'd make it work(with the exception of that processor, seriously man, if it's under 5600 - I'd probably use it as an old server or something :rolleyes: Anyway, I would love to help out but, you're going to have to help me help you by supplying some more information on that motherboard. You could use a program like CPU-Z to figure out what type of board you have, it also has some other useful information, like RAM, Video, and other IT stuff that you might not yet need to know - Give it a try!! Google CPU-Z.
So you have many options when it comes to finding the right system just for you, even on a lower budget. Spending one thousand dollars on a PC is just mad living in the times we are currently in. I hope you find a solution soon because you are missing a ton of epic action in the games currently on the market.[/QUOTE]

You have no idea what you are saying... a "high performance Ram" aka 2133mhz vs 1600mhz have been tested in a gaming rig and only gives like 1 fps of difference the only time it makes a difference is for again video editing and etc or if you're running of the CPU without a discrete GPU. While on ram you're comparing 4gb of DDR2 ram to 4gb of DDR3 ram both difference things. and a 9600GT is about 4 Gen behind so that needs to be replaced. You don't even make sense in some part of your suggestion and then also contradict yourself. Your suggested build is terrible everything is old and terrible not even a real upgrade i be surprised if that build can run any modern game on medium or at a reasonable fps.

I can't even put into words your thought process or anything

[DementedKilla]

[QUOTE=striker453;39351013]You have no idea what you are saying... a "high performance Ram" aka 2133mhz vs 1600mhz have been tested in a gaming rig and only gives like 1 fps of difference the only time it makes a difference is for again video editing and etc or if you're running of the CPU without a discrete GPU. While on ram you're comparing 4gb of DDR2 ram to 4gb of DDR3 ram both difference things. and a 9600GT is about 4 Gen behind so that needs to be replaced. You don't even make sense in some part of your suggestion and then also contradict yourself. Your suggested build is terrible everything is old and terrible not even a real upgrade i be surprised if that build can run any modern game on medium or at a reasonable fps.

I can't even put into words your thought process or anything[/QUOTE]

I've tested many modules in my current system, and what I claim is true(from over a year of experience playing with this board. I'm comparing Known gaming high performance RAM to that of shitty RAM. You should know exactly what I'm saying,(why would we use two different type modules- when dealing with one system.. Keeping in-context his current system, I was saying if he had atleast a 9600, video performance would be way better than what he currently has(I've owned both those cards, I know :smile:). So you say I don't make sense? How so? Is it that I'm trying to save this man some money by showing him what I run and how good it is compared to the latest systems? You say I contradict myself, what ever do you mean? I'm pretty sure you misunderstood me because the only that I suggested was that he upgrade Windows as priority - not a build silly :eng101: I think you were looking at my current build lol. It's all good. By the Way, on that current build, I run EVERYTHING!! I said that in the post! As far as you not understanding my thought process, that's not an issue for me, hell - I take that as a compliment =) People always told me I had sort of an intricate way of thinking. So, on your next reply, of your going to bash my though process, be sure to add in something that will also help this dude along. (Run up, get done up - Holla!)

[Egon Spengler]

[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39351263]I've tested many modules in my current system, and what I claim is true(from over a year of experience playing with this board. I'm comparing Known[B] gaming high performance RAM[/B] to that of shitty RAM. You should know exactly what I'm saying,(why would we use two different type modules- when dealing with one system.. Keeping in-context his current system, I was saying if he had atleast a 9600, video performance would be way better than what he currently has(I've owned both those cards, I know :smile:). So you say I don't make sense? How so? Is it that I'm trying to save this man some money by showing him what I run and how good it is compared to the latest systems? You say I contradict myself, what ever do you mean? I'm pretty sure you misunderstood me because the only that I suggested was that he upgrade Windows as priority - not a build silly :eng101: I think you were looking at my current build lol. It's all good. By the Way, on that current build, I run EVERYTHING!! I said that in the post! As far as you not understanding my thought process, that's not an issue for me, hell - I take that as a compliment =) People always told me I had sort of an intricate way of thinking. So, on your next reply, of your going to bash my though process, be sure to add in something that will also help this dude along. (Run up, get done up - Holla!)[/QUOTE]

Gaming high performance RAM?

lol

[striker453]

[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39351263]I've tested many modules in my current system, and what I claim is true(from over a year of experience playing with this board. I'm comparing Known gaming high performance RAM to that of shitty RAM. You should know exactly what I'm saying,(why would we use two different type modules- when dealing with one system.. Keeping in-context his current system, I was saying if he had atleast a 9600, video performance would be way better than what he currently has(I've owned both those cards, I know :smile:). So you say I don't make sense? How so? Is it that I'm trying to save this man some money by showing him what I run and how good it is compared to the latest systems? You say I contradict myself, what ever do you mean? I'm pretty sure you misunderstood me because the only that I suggested was that he upgrade Windows as priority - not a build silly :eng101: I think you were looking at my current build lol. It's all good. By the Way, on that current build, I run EVERYTHING!! I said that in the post! As far as you not understanding my thought process, that's not an issue for me, hell - I take that as a compliment =) People always told me I had sort of an intricate way of thinking. So, on your next reply, of your going to bash my though process, be sure to add in something that will also help this dude along. (Run up, get done up - Holla!)[/QUOTE]
You have no idea what you're talking about you linked 800mhz ram DDR2 ram uhhh that is 1 gen old and we have a standard of ram running at 1600mhz now. and upgrading window won't make a darn difference. Your Current build is about 4 gen old why would a person want to "upgrade" to something that old and he settled out a price point he wanted so we gave him a system that would be perfect for that price point. And it wasn't a compliment more of this guys thought process is kinda retarded

[DementedKilla]

Why do you think I was telling him to buy what I have? While you're talking about my thought process, I believe you are a little slow yourself there. BTW, if he did buy a computer with my current specs, it would still be an upgrade huh? Thought so. So in essence while he may or may not want my current build if he had it, he would be blown away by the performance over his current build - come on now. I think you need to read through this whole post again, as it others who pushed him into thinking he had to spend that kind of money when he clearly stated he had $100. The pressure is showing when he says
[QUOTE]Well it's a matter of 100 dollars, I suppose I could save up to 1000. Like, it's not a set price, I don't get paid 200 each week, I get paid (depending on how many hours) anywhere from 220 to 320. so it's really not a SET thing.[/QUOTE]

Let's keep it real, you say there's a standard of RAM? Who lives by this standard? Clearly not I nor the OP - So you can enjoy your standard and hopefully I can get the OP to upgrade his system and still have some money to celebrate his B-Day! BTW, you might not have meant what you said as a compliment but, I take it that way - after all, it's my "thought process" that brought me to realize that you fear me some how. (Run up, get done up - Holla!)

[striker453]

[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39351535]Why do you think I was telling him to buy what I have? While you're talking about my thought process, I believe you are a little slow yourself there. BTW, if he did buy a computer with my current specs, it would still be an upgrade huh? Thought so. So in essence while he may or may not want my current build if he had it, he would be blown away by the performance over his current build - come on now. I think you need to read through this whole post again, as it others who pushed him into thinking he had to spend that kind of money when he clearly stated he had $100. The pressure is showing when he says

Let's keep it real, you say there's a standard of RAM? Who lives by this standard? Clearly not I nor the OP - So you can enjoy your standard and hopefully I can get the OP to upgrade his system and still have some money to celebrate his B-Day! BTW, you might not have meant what you said as a compliment but, I take it that way - after all, it's my "thought process" that brought me to realize that you fear me some how. (Run up, get done up - Holla!)[/QUOTE]
I think you should read the op again then he said atm he had 100 and he is willing to save up to 900~1000 getting your kind of build wouldn't last him long that computer we recommend because it will last a long time unlike if you haven't noticed a extremely old build and it wouldn't be a significant improvement and would definitely not be future proof. An i5 3570k and a 7970 and the build in general would blow the build you suggest out of the water and can run anything comfortably on very high. The build would also last for a good 4 to a possible 5 years. AS for the ram 800mhz ram and calling it high performance gaming ram is retarded because 1. we moved passed DDR2 and we are now on DDR3 which has significant improvements over it and 2. There is no such thing as high performance gaming ram. Ram has a clock speed and its memory that's other than that there is no real difference and even then for a gaming rig its basically recommended 8gb 1600mhz ram.

[DementedKilla]

[QUOTE=striker453;39351638]I think you should read the op again then he said atm he had 100 and he is willing to save up to 900~1000 getting your kind of build wouldn't last him long that computer we recommend because it will last a long time unlike if you haven't noticed a extremely old build and it wouldn't be a significant improvement and would definitely not be future proof. An i5 3570k and a 7970 and the build in general would blow the build you suggest out of the water and can run anything comfortably on very high. The build would also last for a good 4 to a possible 5 years. AS for the ram 800mhz ram and calling it high performance gaming ram is retarded because 1. we moved passed DDR2 and we are now on DDR3 which has significant improvements over it and 2. There is no such thing as high performance gaming ram. Ram has a clock speed and its memory that's other than that there is no real difference and even then for a gaming rig its basically recommended 8gb 1600mhz ram.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]New games on high quality would be nice but I don't think I have the will to save up that much money. New games on medium/low quality would work fine, I don't really play NEW games that often and when I do it's not for graphics.[/QUOTE]
With this quote from the OP, it is plain to see that he is not aiming for what you are trying to feed him. VERY VERY clear from the quote above. You can't seem to think other than I'm recommending my system to him? Not once did I say, that he should buy my system or the parts that I have. So let's read my OP just one more time, so you can quit saying that lol. I truly don't believe you understand the term high performance RAM. It's what people like me buy, it is easily overclockable over your standard. So while the latest ram may be available, there are still high performance counter parts of that same socket known as enthusiast RAM aka high performance.

After reading over the post again, recommending high performance RAM was a mistake on my part, as the OP is not particularly good with computers. On a different note - Wanna see what my system can do?, come see me in some Call of Duty: Alias - DementedKillaB. I bet I'll have you trolling calling me a hacker, and then I'll hit you with the line: Float like a butterfly, sting Like KillaB! :yarr:

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[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39351900]With this quote from the OP, it is plain to see that he is not aiming for what you are trying to feed him. VERY VERY clear from the quote above. You can't seem to think other than I'm recommending my system to him? Not once did I say, that he should buy my system or the parts that I have. So let's read my OP just one more time, so you can quit saying that lol. I truly don't believe you understand the term high performance RAM. It's what people like me buy, it is easily overclockable over your standard. So while the latest ram may be available, there are still high performance counter parts of that same socket known as enthusiast RAM aka high performance.

After reading over the post again, recommending high performance RAM was a mistake on my part, as the OP is not particularly good with computers. On a different note - Wanna see what my system can do?, come see me in some Call of Duty: Alias - DementedKillaB. I bet I'll have you trolling calling me a hacker, and then I'll hit you with the line: Float like a butterfly, sting Like KillaB! :yarr:[/QUOTE]
But Cod runs on a 7 year old consoles and playing good at a game is no measure of a good computer a good computer is by the numbers. That computer would just chug on planetside 2 or witcher 2. For the matter we did ask and he also asked me personally and 1000 was a good price and do you not get the idea of investing in something good now so i don't have to waste money down the line? A duo core and a HD 4890 is not even in the horizon compared to an i5 3580k and a HD 7950. And yes there is high performance ram but as i stated before you gain nothing from it it's been tested you gain approx 1 fps difference the only difference "performance ram" has on is for video editing and a build without a Discrete GPU. One more thing he did say so read
[quote]I have a good-ish job so I can make some money pretty quickly, maybe 3 weeks at most to get about 800-900 total. Also, I live in the US.[/quote]
and we asked him to possibly hitch it up maybe to 1000 and later if you read the thread we cut it down to around 800 dollars.