Gilad Shalit/Palestinian prisoner swap: the most controversial cases - Polidicks

[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/16/gilad-shalit-palestinian-prisoner-swap?newsfeed=true[/url] [quote][U]Abdul al-Aziz Salaha[/U] The highly public role of Salaha, 30, in the killing of an Israeli soldier became one of the defining images of the second intifada. Ever since he appeared at the window of a Ramallah police station, his palms soaked in the blood of one of his victims, he has been a figure of loathing within Israel. [B]When two Israeli soldiers were captured on 12 October 2000, Salaha joined in what fast became a lynching He later admitted strangling one of the soldiers, [/B]Vadim Norzich. The images were among the most horrifying and resonant of the Palestinian uprising [U]Yehia Sanwar[/U] Born in 1962, [B]Sanwar is considered to be one of the founders of Hamas's military wing[/B], the Izzedin al-Qassam Brigades. Before then he worked in an intelligence cell in Gaza, known as al-Majid, which attempted to weed out collaborators. He is also the chairman of the committee of Hamas prisoners inside Israeli jails. He remains an influential figure inside Hamas and his Gaza family has been active in military operations inside Israel. [B]His brother is thought by Israel to be one of the planners of the Shalit abduction in 2006. Sanwar seems destined for a role in the upper echelons of Hamas when he returns to Gaza after 23 years in jail.[/B] [U]Mohammed Shratha[/U] [B]Serving three life sentences for murders that took place in the late 1980s. Shratha, 54, was the head of a cell that kidnapped Ilan Sa'adon and Avi Sasportas.[/B] He was also an influential player in the founding days of Hamas – a one time partner of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, who was killed in Dubai last year by Israeli intelligence officers. Has served 22 years and will be returned to Gaza. [U]Ibrahim Shammasina[/U] A Ramallah resident who was[B] jailed in 1993 for four murders. Two of his victims were teenagers, one a taxi driver and another a soldier.[/B] Shammasina, 47, will not be returning home. He is one of the deportees – to be exiled from the West Bank. His destination is not yet clear. [U]Walid Anajas[/U] Serving [B]36 life sentences[/B] for roles in two attacks, [B]one in the Moment Cafe in the heart of west Jerusalem in 2002, which killed 12 people.[/B] The cafe is close to the Israeli president's office. The attack came at the height of the intifada and was considered one of Hamas's signature strikes during a period of terror that paralysed the city. The second attack is believed to be the [B]bombing of a pool hall in Rishon Lezion, which killed more than 20 people in May of the same year[/B]. Anajas, 31, was sentenced in September 2002. He will also be deported from the Palestinian Territories. [/quote] Negotiating with Terrorist like this is just going to make them kidnap more soldiers to do this again. Some of the people Israel are releasing don't deserve to live. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-middle-east-15325046[/url] [quote]Israel's Channel 2 TV interviewed one female inmate who is due for release. In 2001, Ahlam Tamimi had [B]driven a suicide bomber to a Jerusalem restaurant, as part of an attack which killed 15 people.[/B] Asked if she felt any remorse, Tamimi - [B]who received 16 life sentences - replied: "No, why should I?"[/B][/quote] She doesn't even blink an eye that she killed 15 innocent people. I don't care what you think of the IDF killing Palestinian civilian, I'm pretty sure they don't do it on purpose like this.

I get that the US and Israel aren't principled countries but I don't think depriving anyone of life because you hate them is right. You can never be too sure someone is truly guilty.

To be honest, I feel they would most likely kidnap more soldiers anyway - along with anyone else, regardless if Israel plays game or not.

10bux israel is the only one that holds up their end of the deal

[QUOTE=cccritical;32819074]10bux israel is the only one that holds up their end of the deal[/QUOTE] Because the IDF and Israeli government are so fair and just, am I right?

Starpluck hasn't commented yet saying how Gilad Shalit could have killed 2 million palestinian civilians single handedly and doesn't deserve to be released? I'll be surprised if they hand him back alive.

[QUOTE=jaykray;32820164]Starpluck hasn't commented yet saying how Gilad Shalit could have killed 2 million palestinian civilians single handedly and doesn't deserve to be released? I'll be surprised if they hand him back alive.[/QUOTE] They should certainly hold up both ends of the deal, this needs to be in good faith.

In this situation, Israel vs Palestine, I don't think it's a 'negotiating with terrorists' situation. Since there is no official Palestinian country, the Israelis are stuck negotiating with whoever has possession of their soldier. The only question is "do we want to try and get our soldier back alive or not?", if the answer is yes then you negotiate with whoever it takes. I think they are gambling that their soldiers will not be easily taken prisoner, we are not talking about kidnapping civilians after all.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;32820505]In this situation, Israel vs Palestine, I don't think it's a 'negotiating with terrorists' situation. Since there is no official Palestinian country, the Israelis are stuck negotiating with whoever has possession of their soldier.[/QUOTE] The fact that there is no official Palestinian country is the direct result of Israeli (and by extent US) opposition to an official Palestinian country.

Yeah, that's what makes it ironic.

They're only releasing Gilad? What about poor Darmok?

darmok will be released for another 1,000 terrorists thank you very much

[QUOTE=cccritical;32821374]darmok will be released for another 1,000 terrorists thank you very much[/QUOTE] You're labeling every Palestinian prisoner a terrorist?

every member of hamas is, aren't most of the prisoners being released members of hamas? [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] hamasians

[QUOTE=cccritical;32821467]every member of hamas is, aren't most of the prisoners being released members of hamas? [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] hamasians[/QUOTE] Try Hamasholes? I dunno about this, I know very little of this particular exchange, but bloody hell those are some nasty guys to give up for one israeli

how cheeky would it be if israel planted slow release ricin tablets into every prisoner before they left

If Israel is willing to free thousands of terrorists for one man then I think it's a moral win for Israel, showing they care more about this one man.. Especially as Israel has come under fire for it's aggressive handling of Aid ships recently it's probably just a good PR boost. Plus I'm sure they'll keep track of the location of the most extreme terrorists somehow, they won't just let them loose without some sort of surveillance