Report: Two Ukrainian Fighter Jets Shot Down Near MH17 Crash Site - Polidicks

[quote] Ukraine said that two of its fighter jets were shot down Wednesday over eastern Ukraine, the Associated Press reports, less than a week after a passenger jet was downed in the same region. The news came as the two black boxes from the downed MH17 jet arrived in Britain and 40 of the recovered 200 bodies were being flown to the Netherlands. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry said in a statement Wednesday that two of its military fighter jets were downed over eastern Ukraine. The two jets, both Sukhoi-25 planes, were shot down at 1.30pm local time over the Savur Mogila area. It is not yet known whether those on board have survived. A spokesperson for the ministry said the planes could have been carrying up to two people each. Whilst the Ukrainian government tries to ascertain what has happened, the U.K. Air Accidents Investigation Branch has begun to investigate the two flight recorders from flight MH17,, the BBC reports, which were handed over to Malaysian experts by Ukrainian rebels late Monday. Aviation experts from the organization will try to download data from the black boxes in accordance with a request from Dutch authorities heading up the investigation. The data should be downloaded within the next two days and will then be sent to the Dutch investigators. It is hoped that the flight recorders will be able to confirm whether a missile hit flight MH17. The black boxes’ arrival comes as the first 40 bodies of the 298 victims were being flown to Eindhoven in the Netherlands. It is expected that they will arrive at 4pm local time. They will be met by members of the Dutch royal family and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte as part of a national day of mourning for the deceased. 193 of the 298 passengers onboard flight MH17 were Dutch nationals. All 200 of the recovered bodies arrived in Kharkiv, Ukraine in a refrigerated train carriage Tuesday, following repeated international demands for their safe return.[/quote] [url]http://time.com/3022918/ukraine-says-2-military-jets-shot-down-over-east/[/url]

And no one will get their bodies either.

It would've been really grim if they shot down the plane with the bodies aswell.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;45476378]And no one will get their bodies either.[/QUOTE] Pilot's death is not confirmed yet. I also like how they keep flying in proposed cease fire zone surrounding crashsite and bombing nearby villages but no one gives a damn about that. [editline]23rd July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DrDevil;45476385]It would've been really grim if they shot down the plane with the bodies aswell.[/QUOTE] How the hell would they be able to shoot down plane that departed from Kiev?

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476401]I also like how they keep flying in proposed cease fire zone surrounding crashsite and bombing nearby villages but no one gives a damn about that.[/QUOTE] Where is that mentioned anywhere? RT?

It was Ukraine, its all them. Ask Russia.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45476430]Where is that mentioned anywhere? RT?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.ria.ru/world/20140722/191102839/Ukrainian-Air-Force-Strikes-City-Located-in-Ceasefire-Zone.html[/url] Not to mention that if they simpy fly in cease fire zone they already kinda break truse.

The Ukrainians were trying to shoot the Boeing, but accidentally shot down 2 of their own jets. Silly Ukrainians

Yeah it was definitely the Ukrainian military that did this. Anyone who says otherwise is brainwashed by the western media.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476464][url]http://en.ria.ru/world/20140722/191102839/Ukrainian-Air-Force-Strikes-City-Located-in-Ceasefire-Zone.html[/url][/QUOTE] Russian news sources obviously have no bias against Ukraine

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45476511]Russian news sources obviously have no bias against Ukraine[/QUOTE] By this logic every news source of country that supports new ukranian goverment is bias against situation form their side. RIA is quite credible in their news reports, bite me. Here's Malaysian reporter getting taste of Donetsk under attack by Ukraine military after truce was anounced. [url]http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/22/Face-to-face-with-Ukraine-conflict-Civilians-in-Donetsk-asked-to-calm-down-amid-gunfire/[/url]

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476532]By this logic every news source of country that supports new ukranian goverment is bias against situation form their side. RIA is quite credible in their news reports, [B]bite me.[/B][/QUOTE] The last two words don't really bolster your claim to credibility; but is there any other source for the alleged Ukrainian bombing of the surrounding area of the MH17 crashsite? Last I thought that had been debunked as Russian propaganda during the time when the Russian separatists weren't allowing direct access to the crash site

oh great, its back to being a war zone while investigators are trying to figure out what happened my guess is that any day they'll be kicked out of the region and the only hope of finding the answer is in the black boxes but knowing it was shot down definitively won't bring the culprits to justice or even make russia stop with the conspiracy theories

[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;45476571]The last two words don't really bolster your claim to credibility; but is there any other source for the alleged Ukrainian bombing of the surrounding area of the MH17 crashsite? Last I thought that had been debunked as Russian propaganda during the time when the Russian separatists weren't allowing direct access to the crash site[/QUOTE] Last two words is my reaction toward subforums tendency to claim every source against their view " uncredible propaganda", simply tired of this. Debunked? Where? Also i would like to mention that those two planes were taken down near crashsite and you don't think they were just gently passing by through announced cease-fire-no-military-planes-please zone? Seriously, how about someone asks Kiev to stop sending damn planes if their president agrees on cease-fire zone? Or he expects rebels just gently wave their hands to enemy aircraft?

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476629]Last two words is my reaction toward subforums tendency to claim every source against their view " uncredible propaganda", simply tired of this. Debunked? Where? Also i would like to mention that those two planes were taken down near crashsite and you don't think they were just gently passing by through announced cease-fire-no-military-planes-please zone? Seriously, how about someone asks Kiev to stop sending damn planes if their president agrees on cease-fire zone? Or he expects rebels just gently wave their hands to enemy aircraft?[/QUOTE] Hi, long time viewer, first time caller, I'm just curious as to why the Ukrainians would bomb around the crash site.

Seriously, how trained are the Ukraine airforce? Too high of losses. Sorry but that's my opinion.

[QUOTE=bravehat;45476665]Hi, long time viewer, first time caller, I'm just curious as to why the Ukrainians would bomb around the crash site.[/QUOTE] Judging by lack of military organization, tremendeous amount of civil deathtoll and behavior during last cease-fire (wich they from very beginning used to actively regroup and continued exchanging attacks anyway). i'd say they simply don't give a damn because nobody is going to stop them efficiently.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476693]Judging by lack of military organization, tremendeous amount of civil deathtoll and behavior during last cease-fire (wich they used to actively regroup and continued exchanging attacks anyway). i'd say they simply don't give a damn because nobody is going to stop them efficiently.[/QUOTE] Okay, sure.