Attacks on Arabs in Israel, 12 and 13 year olds arrested on suspicion of firebombing a taxi
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[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/world/meast/israel-arab-racism-concerns/index.html[/URL]
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[quote][B]Jerusalem (CNN)[/B] -- Two attacks carried out against Palestinians in recent days, one in Jerusalem and the other on the West Bank, have prompted some uncomfortable questions in Israel about racism toward Arabs.In one incident, Jamal Julani, a 17-year-old Palestinian from East Jerusalem, was beaten unconscious by a group of teenagers in West Jerusalem. He spent several days in the hospital recovering from his injuries.
On the same day, August 16, a taxi carrying a Palestinian family close to the Israeli settlement of Bat Ayin on the West Bank was firebombed. All six family members were injured, one badly.
[B]Three children, ages 12 and 13, have been arrested on suspicion of throwing the gasoline bomb.[/B]
Seven minors, as well as an adult, were indicted in the Jerusalem case Tuesday. Among the charges they face are incitement to racism, incitement to violence and aggravated assault, and motivated racism.[/quote]
that's rather messed up
Settlers.bik
Edit: or the fucking ultra-orthadox fuckers.
Edit: that article was even more depressing that I thought it would be. Tl;DR version: classic racist tropes in action.
Not surprising, the world as a whole seems to be getting angrier and angrier.
[QUOTE=Swilly;37470571]Not surprising, the world as a whole seems to be getting angrier and angrier.[/QUOTE]
how the fuck do 12 year olds have so much hate
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;37470250]...that's rather messed up[/QUOTE]
Obviously.
What's the solution, in your opinion?
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;37470602]how the fuck do 12 year olds have so much hate[/QUOTE]
Its very easy question to answer if you look at WBC, Hitler Youth, USSR/USA propaganda.
[QUOTE=Swilly;37470571]Not surprising, the world as a whole seems to be getting angrier and angrier.[/QUOTE]
But it really isn't
Young people are impressionable.
That is why they're attracted to religion or extreme political ideology.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37470634]But it really isn't[/QUOTE]
It has.
Just look at the riots, look at the polarization of the US, look at the clashes happening in Israel. The saber rattling, the Arab spring was a massive culmination of anger finally tipping over.
[QUOTE=Rue Morgue;37470603]Obviously.
What's the solution, in your opinion?[/QUOTE]
ban jews, obvious solution
seriously though, I think that we need to do some major re-education and de-programming programs available for those who want it. I'd argue that the level of fanaticism displayed by the more "extreme" settlements is approaching or surpassing cult levels.
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;37470647]Young people are impressionable.
That is why they're attracted to religion or extreme political ideology.[/QUOTE]
of course
but do they really have the level of planning and sophistication to firebomb shit?
I mean when I was 12 I built the usual lighter-flamethrower shit but this looks like a bomb that blew up a fucking car.
they probably got help or something
"go my little jonah, blow up that car"
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;37470663]I'd argue that the level of fanaticism displayed by the more "extreme" settlements is approaching or surpassing cult levels.
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you don't even know the half of it
Zionism itself begun as a crazy fanatic movement. theodor herzl thought that kicking out all the palestinians from political power and replacing them with israeli's was for the benefit of all of mankind and that the palestinians should be grateful because the jews would make it better for them (that's pretty funny in hindsight)
[QUOTE=Swilly;37470656]It has.
Just look at the riots, look at the polarization of the US, look at the clashes happening in Israel. The saber rattling, the Arab spring was a massive culmination of anger finally tipping over.[/QUOTE]
no it hasn't, it only looks that way
you only have a finite amount of attention and you can only feel a finite amount of outrage. 58,000 americans died in vietnam compared to only a few thousand in Iraq+Afghanistan, but the news didn't give 10x more coverage to vietnam. the brain judges the frequency of events by [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic]how quickly examples come to mind,[/url] and with today's news that's exactly what will happen.
[url=http://filesmelt.com/dl/violence.png]some hard data[/url]
Why does everyone underestimate children? It seem that if you're 14 or below, you're this useless, helpless kid who doesn't know what's going on around him.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37470825]you don't even know the half of it
Zionism itself begun as a crazy fanatic movement. theodor herzl thought that kicking out all the palestinians from political power and replacing them with israeli's was for the benefit of all of mankind and that the palestinians should be grateful because the jews would make it better for them (that's pretty funny in hindsight)[/QUOTE]
That is why I like Ben Gurion. Even if I completely disagreed with him as a politician, he said things as they were.
[QUOTE=:v:;37470849]Why does everyone underestimate children? It seem that if you're 14 or below, you're this useless, helpless kid who doesn't know what's going on around him.[/QUOTE]
because it's a scientific fact that your brain is still developing at that point
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[QUOTE=thisispain;37470825]you don't even know the half of it
Zionism itself begun as a crazy fanatic movement. theodor herzl thought that kicking out all the palestinians from political power and replacing them with israeli's was for the benefit of all of mankind and that the palestinians should be grateful because the jews would make it better for them (that's pretty funny in hindsight)[/QUOTE]
I know the roots of zionism, however arguing a position based on the roots and not the current situation is a bit of a fallacy.
Israeli Jews are really fucking weird, they're incredibly Zionist and racist for one. Even their prime minister went off to say they own America; they're a conspiracists dream come true.
[QUOTE=Vasili;37471162]Israeli Jews are really fucking weird, they're incredibly Zionist and racist for one. Even their prime minister went off to say they own America; they're a conspiracists dream come true.[/QUOTE]
it's not a good idea to generalize like that
[QUOTE=Vasili;37471162]Israeli Zionists are really fucking weird, they're incredibly Zionist and racist for one. Even their prime minister went off to say they own America; they're a conspiracists dream come true.[/QUOTE]
fixed for you
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37470836]no it hasn't, it only looks that way
you only have a finite amount of attention and you can only feel a finite amount of outrage. 58,000 americans died in vietnam compared to only a few thousand in Iraq+Afghanistan, but the news didn't give 10x more coverage to vietnam. the brain judges the frequency of events by [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic]how quickly examples come to mind,[/url] and with today's news that's exactly what will happen.
[url=http://filesmelt.com/dl/violence.png]some hard data[/url][/QUOTE]
Well then I guess its just the US.
I'd argue that overall Israel needs to be a more secular state, however the way that it was founded runs against that, a lot of it's politicians cling to it's identity as a "jewish" state
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37471192]it's not a good idea to generalize like that[/QUOTE]
here comes the second holocaust
[QUOTE=Swilly;37471249]Well then I guess its just the US.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://filesmelt.com/dl/us_crime_1.PNG]nooope[/url]
crime rates have been all over the place for the US this past 100 years, but looking at recently it has dropped like a stone
It's so unfortunate to see 12 and 13 year-old (if not younger) children get caught up in this without a choice. Some of these children are basically born into terrorism.
[QUOTE=Bumbanut;37471523]It's so unfortunate to see 12 and 13 year-old (if not younger) children get caught up in this without a choice. Some of these children are basically born into terrorism.[/QUOTE]
especially in that part of the world
This shit happens everyday over there i guess, but this one did hit the news. The Settlers are the biggest problem in Israel as they think that god gave them the land so it belongs to them and so on.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37471512][url=http://filesmelt.com/dl/us_crime_1.PNG]nooope[/url]
crime rates have been all over the place for the US this past 100 years, but looking at recently it has dropped like a stone[/QUOTE]
And yet we have people screaming at each other? I'm sorry, but the nation as a whole has gotten angrier and more polarized.
[QUOTE=Swilly;37471844]And yet we have people screaming at each other? I'm sorry, but the nation as a whole has gotten angrier and more polarized.[/QUOTE]
People have always screamed at each other though.
[QUOTE=_Kent_;37471906]People have always screamed at each other though.[/QUOTE]
Not to this level, we can't even have casual conversation anymore.
Not only that but we suddenly have a very harsh, uncompromising, religiously based organization trying to turn the clock on all the civil rights we've done.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37470825]you don't even know the half of it
[I]Zionism itself begun as a crazy fanatic movement. theodor herzl thought that kicking out all the palestinians from political power and replacing them with israeli's was for the benefit of all of mankind[/I] and that the palestinians should be grateful because the jews would make it better for them (that's pretty funny in hindsight)[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, Godwin's law imminent.
[B]AND[/B] irony, [I]how lovely.[/I] :v:
[QUOTE=Swilly;37471982]Not to this level, we can't even have casual conversation anymore.
Not only that but we suddenly have a very harsh, uncompromising, religiously based organization trying to turn the clock on all the civil rights we've done.[/QUOTE]
Its true if you try to talk to someone in the US randomly they will either A. Ignore you or B. get mad.
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