We constantly have discussions about the ethics and morals of piracy, and whether they deserve it and what not. To be honest, because we don't have a clear definition of piracy as a whole, we cannot truly discuss it.
Now, we need to establish a consensus on several things.
1. We need to define the motivation for Piracy. Is it DRM, lack of money, unwillingness to pay despite having the money, poor quality games, or an anti-corporate ideology? We don't have a clear reason for why people pirate. We need the motivation, first, before anything else.
2. Is Piracy stealing? Now, theft is generally considered the combination of two things. The act of appropriation of another's property without their consent, and an intent that is either dishonest or intending to deprive them of their property permanently. The act has been done, in Piracy, and the intent isn't there. It could still be considered criminal conversion, which lacks the intent to deprive them permanently, but is both dishonest and involves the appropriation/use of another's property without their consent. It's considered a lesser offense than theft. This must be defined properly as well, in the case of Piracy.
3. Finally, we must define whether anyone is harmed in piracy. To decide this, we need both the motivation for Piracy and the definition of piracy as stealing or not.
Aquring a game/music/movie/whatever on the internet without paying for it or having it shared to you by someone in some form of digital storage like a CD, HDD, USB flash memory and etc.
That is my defenition of piracy
Piracy is silly, @pirates - get a job.
But also, does it count as stealing ? It's more like copying.
[QUOTE=Smeetin;29301424]There are many different motives for piracy. They aren't really relevant to defining piracy itself however. No matter why someone kills someone, it is still murder.[/QUOTE]
Not true.
You can kill someone on accident, and it is manslaughter. You kill someone in an unplanned, heat of the moment decision, it's treated differently than a planned out murder. You kill someone as a soldier, it's war.
ok we've had this thread about a million times plz stop
Where arrr the pirate jokes going to start sailing in?
[QUOTE=Trumple;29301473]Where arrr the pirate jokes going to start sailing in?[/QUOTE]
ARRRen't we past all these horrible puns?
Piracy is illegally downloading copyrighted files.
No, it's not stealing, but it makes developers lose profits, so some consider it almost, or just as bad.
[editline]19th April 2011[/editline]
And developers are harmed because of piracy, because they get less money for their work
My definition of piracy - downloading a copy of some media from some server, the media being legally obtainable only by purchase.
My other definition of piracy - people in speedboats shooting oil tankers with ak47's for money.
You can get software for free AND support the developer by shoplifting instead
My definition of piracy- 17th century galleons and warships broadsiding poor innocent traders and stealing their booty and spending it on life-enhancing products such as (but not limited to) rum, whores, big hats, and more rum.
Downloading licensed software without permission/Money.
I would appreciate if you guys would go easy on my newfound religion and don't bash it. Thanks in advance.
Ctrl+C bless.
If I lend a CD to a friend and he wants to rip it on his computer and give it back to me... is that considered piracy?
:smug:
It's when you download something that's not rightfully yours, OP.
If you were to own an album, you are free to download it. You are entitled to the content, since you own a copy.
If you were to do the opposite, it's piracy. :D
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;29301567]Piracy is illegally downloading copyrighted files.
No, it's not stealing, but it makes developers lose [B]POTENTIAL[/B] profits, so some consider it almost, or just as bad.
[editline]19th April 2011[/editline]
And developers are harmed because of piracy, because they get less [B]POTENTIAL[/B] money for their work[/QUOTE]
Did some editing to make it more correct, you can thank me later babe.
its when you sail the seven seas pillaging towns and villages for booty and 'linux distros'
pirating your clocks tonight
It has direct relations to lack of money. :rolleyes:
[editline]19th April 2011[/editline]
If i [i]could[/i] afford everything i wanted i would buy everything i wanted, simple logic.
[QUOTE=Satyria;29302031]It's when you download something that's not rightfully yours, OP.
If you were to own an album, you are free to download it. You are entitled to the content, since you own a copy.
If you were to do the opposite, it's piracy. :D[/QUOTE]
No piracy isn't just that. It is duplication of the original that is distributed. It doesn't have to mean "downloading".
Piracy has in essence been around for longer than you think.
Video Cassettes....
BOOTLEGGED records of all things..
These come under this section.
What is piracy?
Baby download me.
Download me.
Don't buy.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;29301996]I would appreciate if you guys would go easy on my newfound religion and don't bash it. Thanks in advance.
Ctrl+C bless.[/QUOTE]
You forgot Ctrl+V
Thou hast sinned
Thou shall be stricken down
Piracy in itself, doesn't have to be morally wrong.
The people I respect are the ones who admit to having downloaded an album before buying it on vinyl or CD.
Of course someone who downloads "craploads" can't do that, but still spend a lot more than someone who occasionally does.
Movies is also different because now that blu rays are available, a more fulfilling experience can be achieved by spending the cash.
Let's not get held up on companys losing money, movies make shitloads in theaters and the music business is still.... Shuffling along :unsmith:
I don't see how it could be treated at stealing or a copyright violation. Stealing is depriving someone of their property, and copyright violation is selling someone else's content or ideas as your own.
Copying deprives nobody of anything, and unless you're selling it there is clearly no grounds for copyright issues. The only possible argument is that it deprives the creator of a purchase you would have made if the content wasn't available to be copied, but that's a flawed assumption. There is absolutely no way to prove a person would have otherwise bought something they pirated. With the prices of games going up and content going down, a lot of people simply wouldn't bother playing a game unless they could download it.
Video game sales are higher than they've ever been, and at no point in history has the game industry made more money than right now. Clearly piracy isn't as big of an issue as they claim, because people are still buying games. The claims of lost revenue are all based on the assumption that 1 copy equals 1 lost sale, which as I just stayed is flawed. There is simply no comparison between making a duplicate of a game and stealing a boxed copy off the shelf. Stealing from the store deprives them of the sale. Making a copy deprives nobody of anything.
If someone buys a phone, and I go up to him, and he's all 'lol have a copy of my phone bro' and pulls out a magical duplication device, duplicates his phone, and hands it to me, am I going to prison?
That's piracy.
I'll just post here what I've posted in the other thread.
There are people that bought a legit copy, liked it, and feel good about giving their money to people who worked on the game. (good for both sides)
There are people that bought legit copy, didn't like it, and feel ripped off by falling for false advertisement. (customer got ripped off, company gained on customers cost)
There are people that pirate a game, try it, like it, and then buy the legit copy, as an appreciation of the work people did on said game. (good for both, company isn't loosing money or potential customers)
There are people that pirate a game, try it, don't like it, and don't buy it. (good for the one downloading, he didn't get ripped off. Company has lost a potential customer. I'd say it's good because the one downloading didn't fall for the false advertisement, didn't loose money on something worthless for him)
There are people that pirate a game, like it, and don't pay for it. (Now obviously the company just lost a sale. Lost money. The company got ripped off. The pirate gained on company's cost.)
I'd say the first and second type of pirating is alright.
[QUOTE=blazingfly;29303225]If someone buys a phone, and I go up to him, and he's all 'lol have a copy of my phone bro' and pulls out a magical duplication device, duplicates his phone, and hands it to me, am I going to prison?
That's piracy.[/QUOTE]
No because it's not funny. :colbert:
Piracy is a victimless crime.
I think piracy is like fucking a hooker and not paying
[QUOTE=AK'z;29302019]If I lend a CD to a friend and he wants to rip it on his computer and give it back to me... is that considered piracy?
:smug:[/QUOTE]
Yeah and it technically can carry a larger penalty than just downloading the songs from a torrent
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.