• 20 to 30 North Korean Soldiers Die After Gunfight
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[quote]The South Korean government is investigating unconfirmed intelligence reports that a gun battle, leaving between 20 and 30 soldiers dead, [B]broke out when the North Korean regime removed army chief Ri Yong-ho from office.[/B] The Chosun Ilbo, a South Korean daily newspaper, reported that some intelligence analysts believe Mr Ri, who has not been seen since his abrupt sacking earlier this week, was injured or killed in the confrontation. Citing South Korean government officials, it said the gun battle erupted when vice marshal Choe Ryong Hae, director of the People's Army General Political Bureau, tried to detain Mr Ri while carrying out North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's order to sack him. Guards protecting Mr Ri, who was a vice marshal, apparently opened fire. "We cannot rule out the possibility that Ri was injured or even killed in the firefight," one source said. North Korea's state media said in a surprise announcement on Monday that Mr Ri, a close aide to Mr Kim, had been removed from all his posts due to "illness", sparking speculation he may have been purged amid a power struggle in the core of the Kim regime. Meanwhile, North Korean soldiers in Pyongyang have celebrated leader Kim Jong-un's appointment as the head of the military with mass choreographed dancing. Earlier this week, it was announced the country's young leader would become marshal of the nation's 1.2 million-strong armed forces. State television shows hundreds of uniformed soldiers twirling, dancing and singing patriotic songs on the streets in celebration. Kyodo/ABC[/quote] [img]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4132606-3x2-285x190.jpg[/img] [i]A South Korean daily newspaper reports that North Korea's army chief Ri Yong-Ho may have been killed in a firefight as part of a military shake-up.[/i] Sounds like power struggle [url=http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-20/soldiers-killed-in-north-korean-gunfight-reports-say/4143734/?site=sydney]Source [ABC Au][/url]
Definitely people trying to get power and whatnot. This seems too iffy to be due to illness.
Never expected the possibility that North Korea would tear its self apart even with all of the propaganda. Definitely keeping an eye out for more on this.
link to the source? Edit: Thankyouverymuch.
A lot of the time this is done as a scare tactic, like during the Great Purge (issued by Stalin), otherwise known as 'The Period of Terror'. This could mean that Jong-Un could have been [i]very[/i] close to being overthrown. Now that these (albeit unconfirmed) reports are coming out of Ri Yong-ho being 'injured or killed' nobody is going to question their great leader. But I digress
"Mr Ri, who has not been seen since his abrupt sacking earlier this week" I read that as "abrupt snacking." How often do shake-ups like this occur in NK but without the rest of us hearing about it? Between this and Syria's recent assassinations, I wonder what's going to happen next.
[QUOTE=En Ex;36853974]"Mr Ri, who has not been seen since his abrupt sacking earlier this week" I read that as "abrupt snacking." How often do shake-ups like this occur in NK but without the rest of us hearing about it? Between this and Syria's recent assassinations, I wonder what's going to happen next.[/QUOTE] Haha... Snacking. As for your question, the generals of the DPRK army have been in their posts for decades (Most of them served from the beginning). So to hear about a high-up general being "removed" from his post due to "illness", and have there now be reports of him being injured (and/or killed) seem spooky and suspicious
Well, like I said: [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];36834601']Kim basically just couped the only power in the country that wasn't the Party. There's been some serious tension between Kim Jong Il and the military ever since the Cheonan and earlier. There's even some evidence that there could have been an attempted coup by the military leadership, and that the military acted to instigate war with South Korea without Kim's consent. While Un was definitely sided with the military by Il the soften this tension, Un just stuck a wrench int he military-Party relations. This will be an interesting year in North Korea.[/QUOTE] It would not surprise me if this was an act of force.
Now is the time to strike!
[QUOTE=Death n1;36853925]Never expected the possibility that North Korea would tear its self apart even with all of the propaganda. Definitely keeping an eye out for more on this.[/QUOTE] This is a sign that the government is probably going to fuck its self over. Thinking about it, it's more plausible now for them to fuck themselves over than get in a war with anyone else.
Now is the age of revolution
I can't wait for the news headlines in a year or so announcing North Korea has split into North-West Korea and North-East Korea. What South Korea needs to do then is change their name to North Korea just to fuck with everyone. And probably destabilize the now tri-front DMZ.
[QUOTE=Zerohe;36857684]I can't wait for the news headlines in a year or so announcing North Korea has split into North-West Korea and North-East Korea. What South Korea needs to do then is change their name to North Korea just to fuck with everyone. And probably destabilize the now tri-front DMZ.[/QUOTE] South Korea is already referenced to in many news publications as simply "Korea."
Lost half their army.
more like half their air force
[QUOTE=space toe;36857982]more like half their air force[/QUOTE] 10 WW1 planes
Maybe the new leader isn't as much of a shit head as we thought if he is doing this much political intrigue.
There isn't a doubt in my mind that this happens almost all the fucking time in NK. I mean, come on. A lock-down state like that is bound to have that happen a lot, and with all the censorship to make it look like a utopia?
[quote=Article] sparking speculation he may have been purged amid a power struggle in the core of the Kim [B]regime.[/B][/quote] Call it what it really is: The Kim dynastic monarchy. [editline]20th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Andokool12;36855668]Now is the age of revolution[/QUOTE] A single fire fight with only a score dead is hardly a revolution. At most it was probably the guy's body guards remaining loyal to him to the end, which really isn't any better than those loyal to Kim shooting them.
This could be the start of something big. I mean, 20-30 soldiers killed over a power struggle against the inexperienced new leader? It looks like Kim Jong-un's control over the established military and party leaders isn't as strong as North Korea would like us to think it is.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36863097]This could be the start of something big. I mean, 20-30 soldiers killed over a power struggle against the inexperienced new leader? It looks like Kim Jong-un's control over the established military and party leaders isn't as strong as North Korea would like us to think it is.[/QUOTE] Absolutely no chance that this could be a fluke occurrence, right? I'm not saying kill all hope of something happening, but be realistic enough to see that there's a stronger possibility of nothing happening.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36862354]Call it what it really is: The Kim dynastic monarchy.[/QUOTE] No. That would imply legitimacy.
I'm sure if North Korea was on the brink of rebellion that the few North Korean refugees that manage to make it out of the country would be telling people. All they have to say is that almost everyone is brainwashed, so it's looking pretty grim. Kim Jong-un is just a puppet figurehead anyway, it's generals like this that really run the show so this could be pretty important.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;36863913]No. That would imply legitimacy.[/QUOTE] How is the Kim line not the legitimate line of rulers in North Korea? I think they've created a cult of personality enough for it to honestly work. [editline]20th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;36864079]I'm sure if North Korea was on the brink of rebellion that the few North Korean refugees that manage to make it out of the country would be telling people. All they have to say is that almost everyone is brainwashed, so it's looking pretty grim. Kim Jong-un is just a puppet figurehead anyway, it's generals like this that really run the show so this could be pretty important.[/QUOTE] I agree. I don't understand why people are going by [I]one single event[/I] "revolution! viva la revolution!"
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36863806]Absolutely no chance that this could be a fluke occurrence, right? I'm not saying kill all hope of something happening, but be realistic enough to see that there's a stronger possibility of nothing happening.[/QUOTE] I mean obviously it could be a fluke, but timing of it makes it likely that the establishment isn't happy with the way this kid is running things. And it's not often that we hear of things like this happening in NK. Or you're right and it could be nothing, but I don't think the chance that Kim Jon-un is losing his grasp on power is small enough to rule out completely.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36864131]I mean obviously it could be a fluke, but timing of it makes it likely that the establishment isn't happy with the way this kid is running things. And it's not often that we hear of things like this happening in NK. Or you're right and it could be nothing, but I don't think the chance that Kim Jon-un is losing his grasp on power is small enough to rule out completely.[/QUOTE] Well, think of it this way: Kim's forces won and the opposition general was probably killed.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36864163]Well, think of it this way: Kim's forces won and the opposition general was probably killed.[/QUOTE] I've been hearing from a lot of sources that a lot of NK's senior leadership isn't particularly impressed with KJU, especially since he's never been in the military and was immediately promoted to four-star general right before his father's death. There's that, the failed missile launch, and just his general lack of experience are making a lot of NK's senior leaders question KJU and the dynasty. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I really think this could be the start of something much bigger that is starting to unfold in NK. The country is currently going through a lot of changes, and now could be the perfect time for a coup to take place.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36864249]I've been hearing from a lot of sources that a lot of NK's senior leadership isn't particularly impressed with KJU, especially since he's never been in the military and was immediately promoted to four-star general right before his father's death. There's that, the failed missile launch, and just his general lack of experience are making a lot of NK's senior leaders question KJU and the dynasty. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I really think this could be the start of something much bigger that is starting to unfold in NK. The country is currently going through a lot of changes, and now could be the perfect time for a coup to take place.[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure a coup would lead to a leader just as bad if not worse than the kims. i mean, the military is made up of psychos who helped kim il sung take over the country and then helped kim jong il completely fuck it up [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] the military leadership i mean
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36864249]I've been hearing from a lot of sources that a lot of NK's senior leadership isn't particularly impressed with KJU, especially since he's never been in the military and was immediately promoted to four-star general right before his father's death. There's that, the failed missile launch, and just his general lack of experience are making a lot of NK's senior leaders question KJU and the dynasty. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I really think this could be the start of something much bigger that is starting to unfold in NK. The country is currently going through a lot of changes, and now could be the perfect time for a coup to take place.[/QUOTE] I think if there is a "revolution" of any kind, it'll just end with a military junta. A real "revolution of the people" as seen in Egypt, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, ect. is impossible given the state of total military control of the country.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36864249]I've been hearing from a lot of sources that a lot of NK's senior leadership isn't particularly impressed with KJU, especially since he's never been in the military and was immediately promoted to four-star general right before his father's death. There's that, the failed missile launch, and just his general lack of experience are making a lot of NK's senior leaders question KJU and the dynasty. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I really think this could be the start of something much bigger that is starting to unfold in NK. The country is currently going through a lot of changes, and now could be the perfect time for a coup to take place.[/QUOTE] But Kim Jong-un doesn't actually run anything. You know that really old and scary looking Korean generals that are always behind him? Those are the guys who run things. Kim Jong-un is just a figurehead for the people to look up to, so they can be kept in control. [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nfF7p8sthG4/T28kYkruUkI/AAAAAAAAAMI/Wp3oDx8ZgZA/s1600/KimJong-un.jpg[/img]
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