• How the CIA Came to Doubt the Official Story of JFK’s Murder
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[QUOTE]After the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in November 1963, the CIA appeared eager, even desperate, to embrace the version of events being offered by the FBI, the Secret Service and other parts of the government. The official story: that a delusional misfit and self-proclaimed Marxist named Lee Harvey Oswald killed the president in Dallas with his $21 mail-order rifle and there was no evidence of a conspiracy, foreign or domestic. Certainly, the CIA’s leaders told the Warren Commission, the independent panel that investigated the murder, there was no evidence of a conspiracy that the spy agency could have foiled. [B]But thousands of pages of long-secret, assassination-related documents released by the National Archives last week show that, within a few years of Kennedy’s murder, some in the CIA began to worry internally that the official story was wrong—an alarm the agency never sounded publicly.[/B] Specifically, key CIA officials were concerned by the mid-1970s that the agency, the FBI, the Secret Service and the White House commission led by Chief Justice Earl Warren had never followed up on important clues about Oswald’s contact with foreign agents, including diplomats and spies for the Communist governments of Cuba and the Soviet Union, who might have been aware of his plans to kill Kennedy and even encouraged the plot. (There is no credible evidence cited in the documents released so far that Cuban leader Fidel Castro or other foreign leaders had any personal role in ordering Kennedy’s murder.) The CIA documents also offer tantalizing speculation about the chain of events in late 1963 that explained Oswald’s motives for killing Kennedy, which have previously never been established with certainty—how he may have become enraged after reading a detailed article in his hometown newspaper in New Orleans in September suggesting that his hero Castro had been targeted for assassination by the Kennedy administration. According to that theory, Oswald, who had rifle training in the Marine Corps, then set out to seek vengeance on Castro’s behalf—to kill Kennedy before the American president managed to kill the Cuban leader. If that proved true, it would have raised a terrible question for the CIA: Was it possible that JFK’s assassination was, directly or indirectly, blowback for the spy agency’s plots to kill Castro? It would eventually be acknowledged the CIA had, in fact, repeatedly tried to assassinate Castro, sometimes in collusion with the Mafia, throughout Kennedy’s presidency. The CIA’s arsenal of weapons against Castro included a fungus-infected scuba suit, a poison-filled hypodermic needle hidden in a pen—and even an exploding cigar. The Warren Commission, never told about the CIA’s Castro plots, mostly ducked the question of Oswald’s motives, other than saying in its final report that he had expressed a “hatred for American society.” JFK historians and the nation’s large army of private assassination researchers are still scrambling to make sense of the latest batch of tens of thousands of pages of previously secret CIA and FBI documents that were unsealed last week by the National Archives. The documents—441 files that had previously been withheld entirely, along with 3,369 other documents that had been previously released only in part—were made public under terms of a 1992 law that requires the unsealing of all JFK assassination-related documents by October, the law’s 25-year deadline.[/QUOTE] So There is some truth to the Conspiracy Theory [URL="http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/03/jfk-assassination-lone-gunman-cia-new-files-215449"]http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/03/jfk-assassination-lone-gunman-cia-new-files-215449[/URL]
Uh, any source on this? edit: thanks
Not really a conspiracy theory, more like how the chain of events lead to the assassination and if there was more foreign involvement than previously thought. It does note those officials cited no evidence for their second thoughts.
All the documents are beleased the 26th of October this year by the way. It will be interesting to see what they say.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52535668]All the documents are beleased the 26th of October this year by the way. It will be interesting to see what they say.[/QUOTE] "Bush did JFK".
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52535682]"Bush did JFK".[/QUOTE] That sounds pretty gay. And possibly rather illegal depending on when he did it.
Honestly, I highly doubt that Oswald was working alone. None of his story lines up when you look at it critically.
The CIA panicking over the possibility JRK was assassinated and they didn't know pretty much kills any theory that the CIA offed him.
[QUOTE=download;52535790]The CIA panicking over the possibility JRK was assassinated and they didn't know pretty much kills any theory that the CIA offed him.[/QUOTE] It's kind of ironic that they had no idea about espionage or assassination plots on their home turf with the shit they were doing back then.
I don't know why Oswald was so mad about JFK trying to kill Castro, dude was invincible from assassinations.
[QUOTE=download;52535790]The CIA panicking over the possibility JRK was assassinated and they didn't know pretty much kills any theory that the CIA offed him.[/QUOTE] Thosr kinds of conspirists would just take that as a "false flag" by the cia. Theres no settling them
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;52535859]It's kind of ironic that they had no idea about espionage or assassination plots on their home turf with the shit they were doing back then.[/QUOTE] There had to have been an absurd number of such plots in that time period. Maybe this one slipped through. Maybe the only reason it slipped through was because it genuinely was a lone wolf, and thus they weren't looking for that type of attack.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;52535859]It's kind of ironic that they had no idea about espionage or assassination plots on their home turf with the shit they were doing back then.[/QUOTE] The Soviets were complete masters of espionage, they were able to infiltrate Los Alamos during the Manhattan Project and they had a high ranking member of M16 as a double agent. It's totally plausible that the CIA wasn't on the same skill level at the time as the KGB.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;52537181]The Soviets were complete masters of espionage, they were able to infiltrate Los Alamos during the Manhattan Project and they had a high ranking member of M16 as a double agent. It's totally plausible that the CIA wasn't on the same skill level at the time as the KGB.[/QUOTE] They had also deeply infiltrated Allied [I]and[/I] German intelligence agencies during World War II, having intel in German movements before the Allies told them, and having infiltrated the Abwehr so deeply that they were deploying German spies right into the arms of the NKVD.
I think the Soviets got Oswald to kill JFK and may have offered him asylum or something, but then paid Jack Ruby to kill him anyways. CIA covered it up to avoid WW3
I thought James Franco went back in time to stop it
[QUOTE](There is no credible evidence cited in the documents released so far that Cuban leader Fidel Castro or other foreign leaders had any personal role in ordering Kennedy’s murder.) [/QUOTE] That murder wasn't in soviet interest at all,especially after the missile crisis on Cuba since we resolved it.Some people in Russia saying that it helped our "conservative" communists and those politicians in the US who wanted more military spendings.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52537867]I thought James Franco went back in time to stop it[/QUOTE] i thought he had to [sp]unstop it[/sp]
[QUOTE=AmberFox;52537970]That murder wasn't in soviet interest at all,especially after the missile crisis on Cuba since we resolved it.Some people in Russia saying that it helped our "conservative" communists and those politicians in the US who wanted more military spendings.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone would have encouraged Oswald to do it, he was unhinged and unhappy. He bragged about Communism while he was in the Marines, visited the Soviet Union, attempted to defect but was declined, but they decided to let him stay after he attempted suicide in his hotel. His dream wasn't what he expected though and he found life in the Soviet Union dull, he was stuck in a factory instead of attending university as he hoped. He moved back to the United States where he soon became a person of interest in a murder case, and eventually, as we all know, assassinated the US President. People have wondered what if the assassination was performed after meeting with officials in Cuba or the Soviet Union, where his exact activities were not verifiable to us. But I think it's just the case of a crazy man who couldn't find his place in the world and thought killing the President would help him find his way or help shape the world he wanted to see.
All it takes is a few vengeful KGB hard-liners acting without authority.
Its not as if every member of the CIA would know if a few top members wanted to off JFK. Obviously I dont know who did it but I doubt it was a foreign entity, as JFK was a reasonable and generally peaceful dude.
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