• Hilary Clinton's gives speech with plans for Americans Hoping to go to College
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[Quote]Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton would more than triple enrollment in the public-service program AmeriCorps to 250,000 and offer participants increased college aid as part of her plan to make higher education more affordable, her campaign said Thursday. AmeriCorps participants who complete two-year assignments at nonprofit entities, community organizations or public agencies, followed by an additional year of public service, would receive $23,000 in tuition assistance, double the current maximum of $11,550. The education awards, which are currently taxed as income, would also be tax free, the campaign said. "Young people willing to commit to public service deserve to live free from the crushing burden of student debt," Clinton said in a statement. Clinton has said if she is elected president in November 2016 that she would make it possible for students to attend in-state colleges without accruing debt. Earlier this month, Clinton announced a plan to increase access to tuition grants, allow graduates to refinance existing loans at lower interest rates, streamline income-based repayment plans, police predatory lenders and provide additional aid to student parents. The total estimated cost of Clinton's education proposals is $350 billion over 10 years and would be paid for by capping itemized tax deductions for the wealthy. The AmeriCorps portion of the program would cost $20 billion over that period, the campaign said. (This story has been refiled to correct paragraph 2 to two-year assignments instead of year-long assignments, adds an additional year of public service)[/Quote] [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/21/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSKCN0QP1YY20150821]Source: Reuters[/url]
I'll believe if when I see it. Clearly she can't be trusted given her current email scandal.
she says while charging 300k to do speeches at a university about how expensive university is
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;48512307]she says while charging 300k to do speeches at a university about how expensive university is[/QUOTE] Yup, and who's gonna pay for her mastermind plan? Answer: The US deficit.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;48512307]she says while charging 300k to do speeches at a university about how expensive university is[/QUOTE] How the fuck can you justify asking for 300k to go and speak at a university
[QUOTE=Complifused;48512348]How the fuck can you justify asking for 300k to go and speak at a university[/QUOTE] She needs money to pay lawyers for her email scandal.
[QUOTE=Complifused;48512348]How the fuck can you justify asking for 300k to go and speak at a university[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-earn-more-than-25-million-in-speaking-fees-since-january-2014/2015/05/15/52605fbe-fb4d-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html[/url] Professional speaker/politicans.
[QUOTE=Complifused;48512348]How the fuck can you justify asking for 300k to go and speak at a university[/QUOTE] Well past presidents charge veterans groups half a million for speeches...
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48512252]I'll believe if when I see it. Clearly she can't be trusted given her current email scandal.[/QUOTE] Better than the alternative which is to say none of the republicans are going to do anything at all about college financing other than expand loan programs which allow people to get to college but don't really solve the affordability problem [editline]21st August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;48512322]Yup, and who's gonna pay for her mastermind plan? Answer: The US deficit.[/QUOTE] Student loan debt is eating into the GDP anyways, 350B is much less than the trillion in student debt that is dragging down college graduates income
Honestly I can take Hiliary if she keeps her promises about College. I mean I do want to go to college sometime before I hit 30.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48512598]Honestly I can take Hiliary if she keeps her promises about College. I mean I do want to go to college sometime before I hit 30.[/QUOTE] There are more issues than college debt. Honestly many of them are more important. Don't vote for someone because they promise shit like this...when they do shit like Hilary does.
Hardly any guarantee of her keeping the promise anyway. You should probably trust Bernie more since he has a record of proposing Bills for young college going people.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48512643]Hardly any guarantee of her keeping the promise anyway. You should probably trust Bernie more since he has a record of proposing Bills for young college going people.[/QUOTE] This is a very big promise to flop out of. And it's more-likely that she'd be able to hold this promise compared to what Sanders has proposed anyways. Like seriously, single-payer healthcare and tuition-free tertiary education are not going to make it through Congress. Obama couldn't even get the idea of a government-run health insurance provider to compete with private providers past other Democrats. [editline]22nd August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;48512629]There are more issues than college debt. Honestly many of them are more important. Don't vote for someone because they promise shit like this...when they do shit like Hilary does.[/QUOTE] So if Hilary wins the nomination you're either going to vote for the Republican who won't ever consider a plan for tertiary education like this, or not vote at all?
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48512800]This is a very big promise to flop out of. And it's more-likely that she'd be able to hold this promise compared to what Sanders has proposed anyways. Like seriously, single-payer healthcare and tuition-free tertiary education are not going to make it through Congress. Obama couldn't even get the idea of a government-run health insurance provider to compete with private providers past other Democrats. [editline]22nd August 2015[/editline] So if Hilary wins the nomination you're either going to vote for the Republican who won't ever consider a plan for tertiary education like this, or not vote at all?[/QUOTE] Well if people would actually place faith in themselves you could still vote for sanders/3rd party. If people would step out if the "oh they didn't get the nomination" attitude it could be done. And with today's political climate that is entirely possible.
I'm tired of these candidates that speak this fluff. They need to be working on important problems like the $16,500,000,000,000 national debt issue this country faces
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;48513061]Well if people would actually place faith in themselves you could still vote for sanders/3rd party. If people would step out if the "oh they didn't get the nomination" attitude it could be done. And with today's political climate that is entirely possible.[/QUOTE] If Sanders can attract a significant portion of Democrats but runs as a third party while Clinton wins the Democrat nomination, that's simply going to hand the Presidency to whoever the Republican is. Because just face it, you're not going to get anywhere close to 100% of Democrat voters to abandon the Democrat candidate and vote third party. It would be a fatal split. Let's not forget that Sanders is a fringe candidate who's only really popular on the Internet, which is dominated by people of college age who are really impressionable and get wet when they hear thing such as 'single-payer healthcare' 'tuition-free tertiary education' '90% marginal income taxes on millionaires'. As long as there are moderates in the race, a third party Sanders would only ever result in the election going to the Republicans.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48512800]This is a very big promise to flop out of. And it's more-likely that she'd be able to hold this promise compared to what Sanders has proposed anyways. Like seriously, single-payer healthcare and tuition-free tertiary education are not going to make it through Congress. Obama couldn't even get the idea of a government-run health insurance provider to compete with private providers[/QUOTE] Obama is pretty weak as far as pushing an issue goes. [QUOTE=RocketSnail;48513184]I'm tired of these candidates that speak this fluff. They need to be working on important problems like the $16,500,000,000,000 national debt issue this country faces[/QUOTE] Solve the debt by building a massive impassable wall across 2000 Km , increasing military spending and cutting taxes on large corporations. Never understood fiscal conservatives.
[QUOTE=RocketSnail;48513184]I'm tired of these candidates that speak this fluff. They need to be working on important problems like the $16,500,000,000,000 national debt issue this country faces[/QUOTE] Well don't vote for Sanders because he's simply Mr. tax and spend, tax and spend.
[QUOTE=RocketSnail;48513184]I'm tired of these candidates that speak this fluff. They need to be working on important problems like the $16,500,000,000,000 national debt issue this country faces[/QUOTE] Honestly, there's no way to fix that now. The last time we paid our national debt, it was when Jackson was in office. The economy was [I]destroyed,[/I] and our debt was way smaller back then.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48513251]Well don't vote for Sanders because he's simply Mr. tax and spend, tax and spend.[/QUOTE] His opposition is not tax and spend even more so I don't see what you're getting at.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48513242]Solve the debt by building a massive impassable wall across 2000 Km , increasing military spending and cutting taxes on large corporations. Never understood fiscal conservatives.[/QUOTE] Pretty much all sides of contemporary politics agree that U.S. corporate income tax rates are too high, which they are. If tied with conditions such as ending indefinite deferral of offshore tax liabilities, it's possible that more revenue could be raised by lowering the rates. The Tax Foundation recommends a highest marginal rate no greater than 25%. [editline]22nd August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48513275]His opposition is not tax and spend even more so I don't see what you're getting at.[/QUOTE] Sanders has no plan to tackle the budget deficit, only widen it.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48513297] Sanders has no plan to tackle the budget deficit, only widen it.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.sanders.senate.gov/top10[/url] Seems like he does.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48513326][url]http://www.sanders.senate.gov/top10[/url] Seems like he does.[/QUOTE] Yes those deal with revenue, but they don't mention anything at all about his plans for expenditure and how revenue and expenses budget together.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48513252]Honestly, there's no way to fix that now. The last time we paid our national debt, it was when Jackson was in office. The economy was [I]destroyed,[/I] and our debt was way smaller back then.[/QUOTE] So this is something that we shouldn't fix? I must be missing something. I'm voting republican because that's the party that represents small government
[QUOTE=RocketSnail;48513184]I'm tired of these candidates that speak this fluff. They need to be working on important problems like the $16,500,000,000,000 national debt issue this country faces[/QUOTE] I don't understand why the national debt is an issue. A conservative government is an ineffective government.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48512252]I'll believe if when I see it. Clearly she can't be trusted given her current email scandal.[/QUOTE] I really REALLY do not see what the big fucking deal with the emails is
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;48513615]I don't understand why the national debt is an issue. A conservative government is an ineffective government.[/QUOTE] It is an issue because if the U.S. government stops paying it back, creditors are going to lose confidence in the government and not lend them any more money. Not even bonds would remain safe investments. As the government runs at a deficit, the government would have to shut-down many essential services until the budget is balanced and destroy the U.S. economy in the process. As a matter of paying it back, it's best to control debt growth because it's more-preferable that tax revenues (and loans) go towards actual government services rather than re-paying debt. If the debt isn't under control, you're going to have to either raise tax revenues, cut back on services or undertake more loans. The first two have negative consequences for the economy while the latter has consequences for creditor confidence - see the first paragraph. The U.S. is past the worst of the GFC, it no longer needs to run a budget deficit. It should gradually work on reducing the deficit.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48512629]There are more issues than college debt. Honestly many of them are more important. Don't vote for someone because they promise shit like this...when they do shit like Hilary does.[/QUOTE] Student debt is the single most important thing to me, as a student.
[QUOTE=RocketSnail;48513546]So this is something that we shouldn't fix? I must be missing something. I'm voting republican because that's the party that represents small government[/QUOTE] Does no one remember the lessons of 1890? Small Government is bullshit and all it does is fuck over the middle and poor class even more than the fucking feudal system....
[QUOTE=RocketSnail;48513546]I'm voting republican because that's the party that represents small government[/QUOTE] They don't represent small government, they just have different ideas of where government should be. Instead of regulating corporations and schools, they focus on regulating drugs and gays.
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