• Top Guns destroy Gaddafi air force
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[quote]THE commander of the RAF's fighter and bomber force has revealed that British Top Guns and their allies have completely destroyed murderous Gaddafi's ENTIRE air force. In the strongest statement of our progress in Libya yet, Air Vice Marshal Greg Bagwell said: "We've blown up all their airplanes. "Gaddafi's air force no longer exists. We have negated any air threat from his planes and surface-to-air missiles and, in effect, taken away his eyes and ears. "And now we've destroyed his air force, we'll now set about destroying his ground force that attacks civilians on the ground. "We have the Libyan ground forces under constant observation and we attack them whenever they threaten or attack civilians or population centres. Tyrant ... Colonel Gaddafi "We will do this every time we see civilians under attack - and the trick is to intervene before his troops reach these settlements. "Our RAF planes are now operating across the entire country of Libya." When asked how long the British fighter pilots will continue to operate in Libya, Air Vice Marshal Bagwell said: "You'll have to ask Colonel Gaddafi. "When he stops attacking civilians, we'll stop having to defend them." Speaking from the southern Italian airbase of Gioia del Colle — where he had flown to meet our brave Top Guns enforcing the No-Fly zone in Typhoons and protecting civilians in Tornado bombers, the RAF chief added that British jets had NOT been fired at at all in the five-days since Operation Ellamy began. Air Vice Marshall added that our Tornados had also not fired missiles since Sunday — but warned that Top Guns WILL now attack whenever they see Gaddafi's ground forces launch assaults. He said: "We are now applying sustained and unrelenting pressure on the Libyan Armed Forces. "Effectively, their air force no longer exists as a fighting force, and his integrated air defence system and command and control networks are severely degraded to the point that we can operate with near impunity across Libya. "As we continue to enforce the No-Fly zone we are watching over the innocent people of Libya and ensuring we protect them from attack. "We have achieved in days what would previously have taken months or years. We will continue to do what is necessary." Air Vice Marshal Bagwell said the RAF had made huge progress in the "less than five days since the operation began". He added: "My HQ is only six days old. Our young men and women have delivered a Herculean effort to move so far so quickly and been so effective. "This has been a combined and coalition effort - with seven nations flying over Libya as we speak - and more arriving every day. "Our Tornados and Typhoons are flying alongside other nation's aircraft over Libya. "But it is not the machines that define us - they are merely the platforms that deliver effort - our people in the air and on the ground, deployed and home-based, military or civil service have been the inspiration and engine behind this operation. "Their professionalism, dedication and commitment of our people are a testament to the fighting spirit of the Royal Air Force and the creed by which we line: agile, adaptable and capable has never been truer. "I came here today to pay tribute to these men and women under my command - it is a privilege and honour to lead them on this endeavour to protect the innocent." Air Vice Marshal Bagwell spoke just three hours after the first female British Typhoon pilot to fly in combat jetted into action in Libya for the first time today — risking her life to police Libyan skies. The Sun has told how the flame-haired Top Gun is the only woman to fly the fighter plane into enemy territory. She flies the £125million Typhoon — the world's most advanced fighter jet which travels at 1,550mph and can climb to 40,000ft in two minutes. The un-named female is one of ten lucky RAF pilots chosen to helm the Typhoon Eurofighter — designed as a specialist in mid-air 'dogfights' — over Libyan airspace from the British post in Gioia del Colle. Three Typhoons and four Tornados took to the skies to fly to Libya this morning from the base.[/quote] Source: [url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3486913/Top-Guns-destroy-Gaddafi-air-force.html[/url]
Only the sun could make such a sensationalist title
[QUOTE=ppV;28765212]Air Vice Marshal Greg Bagwell said: "We've blown up all their airplanes.[/QUOTE] The British don't fuck around.
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Knew it was the sun after the first line, I'll see if a more reputable source has anything to say on this.
[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;28765335]Knew it was the sun after the first line, I'll see if a more refutable source has anything to say on this.[/QUOTE] Reputable. You don't want a source that's more refutable. That would be bad.
[quote] [b]BBC NEWS:[/b] The commander of British aircraft operating over Libya has said that Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's air force "no longer exists as a fighting force". Air Vice-Marshal Greg Bagwell said the allies could now operate "with near impunity" over the skies of Libya. He said they were now applying unrelenting pressure on the Libyan armed forces. He was speaking during a visit to RAF aircrew based at Gioia del Colle in southern Italy. "We are watching over the innocent people of Libya and ensuring that we protect them from attack" he said. "We have the Libyan ground forces under constant observation and we attack them whenever they threaten civilians or attack population centres." His comments come as Western leaders debate who leads the intervention, with the US keen to hand over to Nato. Western aircraft have flown more than 300 sorties over Libya in recent days and more than 162 Tomahawk cruise missiles have been fired. [/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12837330[/url] [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] Oh, thanks Johnny, messed up knew and new as well
I don't really buy that British Aircraft had much of anything to do with the destruction of their air force. They have to fly 3000 miles just to get there. That means each aircraft has to refuel several times for a single sortie. The cruise missiles from the US and UK boats off the coast would likely be more responsible. Or the Strategic bombers being launched from the US. A military airfield isn't something you would attack with Tornadoes because they are extremely heavily defended. You hit them indirectly or with something that they can't see coming.
[QUOTE=blazingfly;28765228]The British don't fuck around.[/QUOTE] He didn't say that though, the BBC showed the clip of him talking earlier. He said something along the lines of "the Libyan air force no longer exists" [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] I love the comments on articles posted on The Sun. [quote=Another commenter] I have said this before, this is not enforcing a no fly zone. It is war, thank you all who took us in to it...Mr Cameron,Mr Sarkozy & Mr Obama. Hope to see you in other countries soon doing the same. Good thing the Russians,Chinese etc did not step in to help Gaddafi.....isnt it? I do like your staement Air Vice Marshal Bagwell said: "We've blown up all their airplanes". So that how you enforce a no fly zone....Looks like l am learning! So whoever comes to power in Libya will need a new air force.....plenty of work making war planes...! [/quote] Shocking unheard of news, taking out an airforce is a way to prevent it flying.
[QUOTE=GunFox;28765405]I don't really buy that British Aircraft had much of anything to do with the destruction of their air force. They have to fly 3000 miles just to get there. That means each aircraft has to refuel several times for a single sortie. The cruise missiles from the US and UK boats off the coast would likely be more responsible. Or the Strategic bombers being launched from the US. A military airfield isn't something you would attack with Tornadoes because they are extremely heavily defended. You hit them indirectly or with something that they can't see coming.[/QUOTE] ... You do realise that you don't launch planes from your country to another right? You usually move your forces to an airbase near the country you want to attack..
[QUOTE=blazingfly;28765442]... You do realise that you don't launch planes from your country to another right? You usually move your forces to an airbase near the country you want to attack..[/QUOTE] Aye, which is why it surprised me that apparently the Brits are launching from the UK: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12797500[/url]
[QUOTE=GunFox;28765405]I don't really buy that British Aircraft had much of anything to do with the destruction of their air force. They have to fly 3000 miles just to get there. That means each aircraft has to refuel several times for a single sortie. The cruise missiles from the US and UK boats off the coast would likely be more responsible. Or the Strategic bombers being launched from the US. A military airfield isn't something you would attack with Tornadoes because they are extremely heavily defended. You hit them indirectly or with something that they can't see coming.[/QUOTE] The tornados, as far as I understand have been using storm shadow's which are fired 150 miles from the target. Also the tornados are now based in Italy (but I think they are only doing recon now).
[QUOTE=blazingfly;28765442]... You do realise that you don't launch planes from your country to another right? You usually move your forces to an airbase near the country you want to attack..[/QUOTE] We flew our B2's from Missouri to Libya and Back nonstop the other day... Of course that's how we use our B2's .. Fucking things require climate controlled hangers and special maint. crews and really, who wants to put 2 Billion a piece aircraft anywhere NEAR fighting... our entire stock of Tomahawk Missiles cost the same as a single B2
[QUOTE=blazingfly;28765442]... You do realise that you don't launch planes from your country to another right? You usually move your forces to an airbase near the country you want to attack..[/QUOTE] Tell that to the UK, US and France. Edit: What the hell, I just saw this post in a quote of my other post but I can't see it so I posted again. Why do the forums hate me today.
I'm glad that this seems to be ending much quicker than Gaddafi "promised". [QUOTE=Gaddafi] This will be a long struggle against blatant imperialism by the western powers. [/QUOTE] Yeah. :smug:
[QUOTE=Jsm;28765473]The tornados, as far as I understand have been using storm shadow's which are fired 150 miles from the target. Also the tornados are now based in Italy (but I think they are only doing recon now). [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] Tell that to the UK, US and France.[/QUOTE] Ooh, good point. I wasn't aware the tornado could deploy cruise missiles. I take it back, they may very well have hit the airfields quite hard. [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TheTalon;28765495]We flew our B2's from Missouri to Libya and Back nonstop the other day...[/QUOTE] That is what strategic bombers do. It is why they are awesome.
[QUOTE=GunFox;28765405]I don't really buy that British Aircraft had much of anything to do with the destruction of their air force. They have to fly 3000 miles just to get there. That means each aircraft has to refuel several times for a single sortie. The cruise missiles from the US and UK boats off the coast would likely be more responsible. Or the Strategic bombers being launched from the US. A military airfield isn't something you would attack with Tornadoes because they are extremely heavily defended. You hit them indirectly or with something that they can't see coming.[/QUOTE] Haven't they been based at Italian and Maltese airbases?
[QUOTE=Jsm;28765496]Tell that to the UK, US and France.[/QUOTE] The US has an aircraft carrier off the coast and the French have sent the Charles de Gaulle. The UK only has a STOVL carrier. [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Coffee;28765533]Haven't they been based at Italian and Maltese airbases?[/QUOTE] That is what I read, but apparently they still launch sorties from the UK itself.
[QUOTE=FuhFuhFresh;28765503]I'm glad that this seems to be ending much quicker than Gaddafi "promised". Yeah. :smug:[/QUOTE] Don't start celebrating yet. The rebels still need to push to and take Tripoli, and get rid of Gaddafi. At the moment, they're neither equipped or organised enough. It would be nice to see the coalition start training them and arming them, but that comes with a fair few problems, not least of which being that their involvement deepens.
[QUOTE=GunFox;28765539]The US has an aircraft carrier off the coast and the French have sent the Charles de Gaulle. The UK only has a STVOL carrier. [/QUOTE] I was referring to the B2 bombers and the initial French attacks. As for the UK, we have nothing to launch from the one still in service (it's awaiting conversion to a helicopter carrying carrier anyway) and the other is awaiting disposal. [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28765606]Don't start celebrating yet. The rebels still need to push to and take Tripoli, and get rid of Gaddafi. At the moment, they're neither equipped or organised enough. It would be nice to see the coalition start training them and arming them, but that comes with a fair few problems, not least of which being that their involvement deepens.[/QUOTE] It also brings the risk that it might backfire in a few years and they will end up attacking who ever trained them. It's not like that has happened before is it?
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28765606]Don't start celebrating yet. The rebels still need to push to and take Tripoli, and get rid of Gaddafi. At the moment, they're neither equipped or organised enough. It would be nice to see the coalition start training them and arming them, but that comes with a fair few problems, not least of which being that their involvement deepens.[/QUOTE] That's true, especially with the "No ground forces" statements many countries are making. Keep in mind though, the last people to try to defeat France, England and the USA at the same time were the axis forces, and Libya isn't even remotely as well organized or prepared as they were. (Yes, I realize this is a completely different scenario with different politics. Just making an observation.)
Welp, that squelches my hopes for any air-to-air combat :I In all honesty though, this is fantastic. It's good to see somebody other than the United States (I don't mean this in an inflammatory way) taking the charge.
I hope you guys had fun helping freedom fighters :smith:
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[QUOTE=GunFox;28765539]STVOL carrier.[/QUOTE] It's spelled STOVL. Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;28766245]It's spelled STOVL. Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing.[/QUOTE] I know what it stands for. It is a typo.
Don't try and correct GunFox on military stuff (!)
Aslong as they don't return fire on us that'll be okay. Otherwise I'm out of England and I'll live in a hot air balloon.
I feel the need, the need for speed.
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