Indian student murdered in Salford (Greater Manchester) - Polidicks

[quote] A 23-year-old student from India has died after he was shot in the head at close range, in what police say was an "unprovoked attack" in a street. Greater Manchester Police said Anuj Bidve was with nine students, all Indians, when they were approached by two men early on Monday in Salford. Following a "very short" conversation, one of the men pulled out a handgun and shot the Lancaster University student. The gunman was described as white, in his mid-20s, and of slim build. He was said to be wearing a grey top and his accomplice was described as of heavier build and wearing a black jacket. The men fled towards Asgard Drive following Monday's shooting. Police said the group of male and female students, who had been staying in a nearby hotel for a break over Christmas, had given initial witness statements and were "in a safe place" with police until they returned to their university. Mr Bidve's parents, who are in India, have been informed of his death. His Facebook profile states his hometown as Pune, in Maharashtra. Chief Supt Kevin Mulligan said he did not want to go into details about the conversation the students had had with the gunman. He said "This appears to be an unprovoked attack and we can't establish a motive at this time. "We are investigating every possible aspect and we are in the early stages of the investigation, but we are not ruling anything out." Mr Mulligan said a racial motive was not being ruled out. The force has increased patrols in the area and officers from Greater Manchester Police's major incident team are working alongside neighbourhood officers investigating the shooting. Mr Mulligan extended "deepest sympathies" to Mr Bidve's family and friends. "I believe the answers to who did this will lie in our community," he said. "Someone will know who was responsible and I want to implore those people to be courageous. "Please, if you know something, then do what is right and come forward - anonymously if necessary. "If it was your brother, son, husband or friend who was killed while visiting another city, you would want justice, so please help us do the same." Friends have left tributes on Mr Bidve's Facebook page, including "i cant believe this has happened man........ i remember the discussion we had about our future plans just a few days back...... :'( I hope and pray God gives your family and friends courage to handle this loss...... You will be missed," one said. Another tribute said: "cnt believe that someone so full of life had his life ruthlessly taken away from him for no mistake of his own...rest in peace. u will be missed . may god give ur family the strength to face this .... hope justice sees light soon." Earlier Lancaster University had confirmed that the victim was a postgraduate student who had been studying micro-electronics. "Our thoughts are with his family at this time, and counselling and support has been organised for his fellow students who are deeply upset," it said. Witnesses or anyone with information about the killing should contact police or Crimestoppers. [/quote] [url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-16331668]Source[/url] I've been in Salford a few time as my friend studies there. It's not a very nice place infact it reminds me of some of the low income areas in eastern europe at times.

1. This wouldn't have happened if guns were illegal 2. What does him being Indian have to do with anything? 3. Very sad to hear of the loss of life, regardless. Especially around the holiday season.

[QUOTE=Ridge;33913097]1. This wouldn't have happened if guns were illegal 2. What does him being Indian have to do with anything? 3. Very sad to hear of the loss of life, regardless. Especially around the holiday season.[/QUOTE] Guns are illegal in England, well, for the most part.

[QUOTE=Ridge;33913097]1. This wouldn't have happened if guns were illegal 2. What does him being Indian have to do with anything? 3. Very sad to hear of the loss of life, regardless. Especially around the holiday season.[/QUOTE] Well guns [I]are[/I] illegal here par shotguns and the fact he's indian is of importance as it couldv'e been race related.

[QUOTE=MachiniOs;33913063] I've been in Salford a few time as my friend studies there. It's not a very nice place[/QUOTE] I have to agree with you there. I went to a Uni open day there in 2005 and it was a pretty un pleasant area. One of my step brothers did go to Salford to study though and he was attacked twice during his time there (luckily no one got injured severely in those attacks). The attacks were random both times he was just walking home. --- My sympathy goes out to his friends and family, they must be pretty distraught. :(

Ridge is dumb he meant not illegal.

I was just thinking about how gun crime seems to have been very low as of late. How dare he ruin that thought.

I rarely say this, hang the bastard who did this.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;33914298]Ridge is dumb he meant not illegal.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure he's making fun of people who think that if you ban guns, all crimes with firearms disappear.

[QUOTE=Armotekma;33914488]Pretty sure he's making fun of people who think that if you ban guns, all crimes with firearms disappear.[/QUOTE] No one thinks it will disappear. But put this into perspective. There are on average 50-60 firearm homicides a year in the UK. While in 2007, there were 35 gun related homicides [b]each day[/b] in the United States. So yes, banning firearms does reduce firearm related deaths dramatically. But for more fun facts, you're 6 times more likely to be violently assaulted in the UK, yet you're 3 times more likely to wide up dead in the US. It's not meant to single-handedly solve all problems with crime. EDIT: Some of my numbers were a little off.

[QUOTE=Ridge;33913097]1. This wouldn't have happened if guns were illegal 2. What does him being Indian have to do with anything? 3. Very sad to hear of the loss of life, regardless. Especially around the holiday season.[/QUOTE] 1. In the UK guns are as close to illegal as a sane country would allow. 2. Being Indian has alot to do with this, there's massive amounts of racial tension, particularly with people of middle eastern descent/Islamic religious beliefs, easily confused with Indians by idiots. 3. Christmas is nothing more than a stolen meaningless celebration to buy shit, and is only even celebrated by few religions. Stop making it out to be so much more than it is. So much wrong with your post, it's like you're trying to be dumb.

My instincts say its race related....

[QUOTE=NoDachi;33914684]No one thinks it will disappear. But put this into perspective. There are on average 6-8 firearm homicides a year in the UK. While in 2007, there were 35 gun related homicides [b]each day[/b] in the United States. So yes, banning firearms does reduce firearm related deaths dramatically. But for more fun facts, you're 6 times more likely to be violently assaulted in the UK, yet you're 3 times more likely to wide up dead in the US. It's not meant to single-handedly solve all problems with crime.[/QUOTE] Take a look at Canada, they have far more guns than the United States, and yet their gun crime is in ridiculously low numbers.

Unless the crime was racially motivated, I see no point in listing the guys ethnic. Why can't it be 'student murdered in Salford (Greater Manchester)'? Why does the Indian part need to be there?

[QUOTE=Vasili;33915275]Unless the crime was racially motivated, I see no point in listing the guys ethnic. Why can't it be 'student murdered in Salford (Greater Manchester)'? Why does the Indian part need to be there?[/QUOTE] Because there is probably a good chance that it is racially motivated.

[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;33914878] 2. Being Indian has alot to do with this, there's massive amounts of racial tension, particularly with people of middle eastern descent/Islamic religious beliefs, easily confused with Indians by idiots. [/QUOTE] uh maybe in canada but its not as bad as people would describe it on facepunch or the media i don't walk past brown people and go "oh god he's brown and a terrorist". I live in a pretty shitty area with a high ethnic/immigration community and lot of people who would agree the same as me. [editline]27th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=fluke42;33915299]Because there is probably a good chance that it is racially motivated.[/QUOTE] They said they're not ruling it out, but its not confirmed either. Its so unnecessary, a guy gets shot and he happens to be a different race and suddenly we've got to explain he's from another land and not just a regular human being.

[QUOTE=Ridge;33913097]1. This wouldn't have happened if guns were illegal [/QUOTE] So instead people resort to knives. Ban knives! Then they use bombs. Ban things that could be explosive! Then they use dogs. Ban dogs! (Oh wait, they pretty much have) Then they use Cars. Ban cars! And it goes on and on.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33915346]So instead people resort to knives. Ban knives! Then they use bombs. Ban things that could be explosive! Then they use dogs. Ban dogs! (Oh wait, they pretty much have) Then they use Cars. Ban cars! And it goes on and on.[/QUOTE] Soon we shall all be stuffed into plastic bubbles and star in horrible movies that aren't even remotely funny.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;33914684]No one thinks it will disappear. But put this into perspective. There are on average 6-8 firearm homicides a year in the UK. While in 2007, there were 35 gun related homicides [b]each day[/b] in the United States. [/QUOTE] Holy shit, Guns are involved in Gun related homicides? People toss this fact around a lot. Let's take a look at things: There are roughly 313,000,000 people in the U.S There are about 63,000,000 people in the U.K If my shoddy math is correct (but it's usually close) the rates in homicide are actually quite similar, when looked from a perspective population wise. Hell, more people die from car accidents and other normal things than gun deaths here in the U.S

the reality is a killer will get hold of a weapon if he is determined but a lot of killers are those who act out of blind rage or do it in a quick second decision. Because British homes don't have pistols under the pillows or shotguns behind the doors, murdering someone quickly and effectively is difficult and thus its thought over more. Killing someone with a knife is brutal and bloody stuff so your average guy is turned away from it where a gun is quick and simple - just pull the trigger. Guns are legal here anyway - they are just difficult to get hold of and are in limitations, I should know; I work on a rifle range here and people use rifles, handguns and shotguns while the police and army train with everything else. Guns do help combat death rates that's fact, but it won't stop those who have motivation.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;33914684]No one thinks it will disappear. But put this into perspective. There are on average 6-8 firearm homicides a year in the UK. While in 2007, there were 35 gun related homicides [b]each day[/b] in the United States. So yes, banning firearms does reduce firearm related deaths dramatically. But for more fun facts, you're 6 times more likely to be violently assaulted in the UK, yet you're 3 times more likely to wide up dead in the US. It's not meant to single-handedly solve all problems with crime.[/QUOTE] But the UK also has a fifth the population. Still significantly less firearm homicides though. [editline]27th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33915421] If my shoddy math is correct (but it's usually close) the rates in homicide are actually quite similar, when looked from a perspective population wise.[/QUOTE] yeah you'd be right if the UK number was daily and not annually

What does him being indian have to do with this? This isn't the 70's, not everyone is a racist punk, the reason racism still exists is because everybody treats race like a big deal, its irrelevant. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ[/media]

Someone not white killed? Must be racially motivated.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33915421]Holy shit, Guns are involved in Gun related homicides? People toss this fact around a lot. Let's take a look at things: There are roughly 313,000,000 people in the U.S There are about 63,000,000 people in the U.K If my shoddy math is correct (but it's usually close) the rates in homicide are actually quite similar, when looked from a perspective population wise. Hell, more people die from car accidents and other normal things than gun deaths here in the U.S[/QUOTE] That is some quite shoddy maths you have there. Also NoDachi had his numbers quite a bit off. There are about 5x more people in the US than the UK, spread over an area 38 times larger. US gun-related homicides per year (Based on the daily average earlier): 12775 UK average gun-related homicides per year: 50-70 Most of the UK shootings occur around London due to gang crime in low income areas, and you are 4x more likely to be involved in an incident with a knife than a gun. Thats a pretty big leap up. Also back on topic: I wouldnt be surprised if it was racially motivated [QUOTE=lukepker;33917678]What does him being indian have to do with this? This isn't the 70's, not everyone is a racist punk, the reason racism still exists is because everybody treats race like a big deal, its irrelevant.[/QUOTE] What are you smoking? Yes that would apply to things like racist jokes, but you do realise that there are a lot of heavily racist people in the UK (IE Uneducated hooligans that support the EDL, BNP etc) It doesn't surprise me one bit that at least some of them would go as far as killing someone because they aren't white. Especially in a place as rough as that.

[QUOTE=Lilolia;33917891]That is some quite shoddy maths you have there. Also NoDachi had his numbers quite a bit off. There are about 5x more people in the US than the UK. US gun-related homicides per year (Based on the daily average earlier): 12775 UK average gun-related homicides per year: 50-70 Most of the UK shootings occur around London due to gang crime in low income areas, and you are 4x more likely to be involved in an incident with a knife than a gun. Thats a pretty big leap up. Also back on topic: I wouldnt be surprised if it was racially motivated [b] What are you smoking? Yes that would apply to things like racist jokes, but you do realise that there are a lot of heavily racist people in the UK (IE Uneducated hooligans that support the EDL, BNP etc)[/b] It doesn't surprise me one bit that at least some of them would go as far as killing someone because they aren't white. Especially in a place as rough as that.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that just because a handfull of people DO support the EDL and BNP, its alright to assume that most of them do, and an attack like this was most likely done by someone who supports the BNP and EDL. Ironic.

[QUOTE=lukepker;33917907]So you're saying that just because a handfull of people DO support the EDL and BNP, its alright to assume that most of them do.[/QUOTE] Why is it wrong to think its probably racially motivated? Its the most obvious thing to think. I know how extremely racist people in areas like that can be first hand, so from past experience I would naturally assume that.

[QUOTE=Lilolia;33917891]US gun-related homicides per year (Based on the daily average earlier): 12775 UK average gun-related homicides per year: 50-70[/QUOTE] Ah yes you're right! [editline]27th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=fluke42;33915252]Take a look at Canada, they have far more guns than the United States, and yet their gun crime is in ridiculously low numbers.[/QUOTE] Wrong. Canada has significantly lower gun ownership than the United States. [img]http://www.gun-control-network.org/International.gif[/img] [editline]27th December 2011[/editline] Eghhhh that graph size....

Whoop Finland as third. Not good, not good.

[QUOTE=Ridge;33913097] 2. What does him being Indian have to do with anything? [/QUOTE] I think it's the fact that he's not a citizen of UK, but a student that moved from India to UK.

I live near Salford. I can safely say this would be because of his race. Racism is massive up here and people are stupid.