My current specs:
[quote][CPU] Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00GHz
[GPU] 1 GB GeForce GTX 560 Ti (EVGA)
[RAM] 4 GB Single-Channel DDR2
[MB] ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5Q (LGA 775)
[PSU] 600W
[OS] Windows 7 64 bit, 1920 x 1080[/quote]
Almost two years ago [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1183516&highlight=]I made a post here about upgrading my GPU[/url]. I ended up getting the 560 TI with the knowledge that it would be bottlenecked by my CPU. It is, although usually not by a significant amount and I have been very satisfied with it since then. However I can tell it does affect performance in some games and especially causes some slowdown with the CPU/RAM intensive programs I occasionally have open (3DS Max, Photoshop). I want things to be a little faster. I'm also going to be getting more RAM, but that's not a whole lot relevant. Battlefield 3 is probably the best example. It technically runs fine on my PC framerate wise, but there's so much CPU stuttering that it's near unplayable. Most other games don't have stuttering as bad as BF3 but it would be nice to have them a little smoother.
I'd prefer ordering from [url=http://www.ncix.ca/]NCIX Canada[/url] if possible. My budget's around $350-$500 preferably for both the CPU and motherboard, although I'd like to stick to the lower end if only because I don't want the newest top-o-the-line CPU and the more room I have in the budget for RAM/future upgrades, the better. Something better than what I have now, but I don't need anything from the future. I'd also prefer keeping my current mobo and sticking to Intel, but generally most people I know who get new CPUs get a new board with it. Thanks in advance. I'm usually okay with finding specific parts for upgrades, but I'm so terrible with figuring out compatibility of multiple parts like the CPU.
[editline]26th January 2014[/editline]
For extra credit, recommend an nvidia GPU to go with the CPU. I'm still very happy with my 560 and likely will keep it for a few more years but I will probably eventually give it to my brother.
[url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2HVOm]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2HVOm/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url] / [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2HVOm/benchmarks/]Benchmarks[/url]
[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i53350p]Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($199.73 @ NCIX)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z77extreme3]ASRock Z77 Extreme3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard[/url] ($104.99 @ NCIX)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/a-data-memory-ax3u1600w4g9db]A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($79.99 @ NCIX)
[b]Total:[/b] $384.71
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It should be fine and everything is avaliable on NCIX CA, I would suggest getting the [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2]212 EVO[/url] if you can go a little over budget, but it's not necessary, you can still use the stock intel cooler.
If anything, I suggest keeping the 560 until you scrape up around 200-300 dollars for a new GPU, but this with the 560 should be good enough for a while.
[QUOTE=Death_God;43678287][URL="http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2HVOm"]PCPartPicker part list[/URL] / [URL="http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2HVOm/by_merchant/"]Price breakdown by merchant[/URL] / [URL="http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2HVOm/benchmarks/"]Benchmarks[/URL]
[B]CPU:[/B] [URL="http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i53350p"]Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor[/URL] ($199.73 @ NCIX)
[B]Motherboard:[/B] [URL="http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z77extreme3"]ASRock Z77 Extreme3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard[/URL] ($104.99 @ NCIX)
[B]Memory:[/B] [URL="http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/a-data-memory-ax3u1600w4g9db"]A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/URL] ($79.99 @ NCIX)
[B]Total:[/B] $384.71
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It should be fine and everything is avaliable on NCIX CA, I would suggest getting the [URL="http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2"]212 EVO[/URL] if you can go a little over budget, but it's not necessary, you can still use the stock intel cooler.
If anything, I suggest keeping the 560 until you scrape up around 200-300 dollars for a new GPU, but this with the 560 should be good enough for a while.[/QUOTE]
Why a Z77 mobo on a non overclockable CPU? Just get a B or H chipset. Also, to the OP just get a 4th gen haswell they cost literally $10-15 more.
For a GPU, either a 760 for $200-250 range or a 770 for $330+ range.
Thanks. B or H chipsets? Any specifics? I don't particularly plan on overclocking anything, don't really think I have the right cooling setup to do it comfortably.
[editline]27th January 2014[/editline]
How's the i5-4440? It's about $20 more than the i5 3350P without shipping. How much of a step-up is it in performance? I see it has integrated graphics, is that significant enough for the extra price?
(To clear up a generic PC hardware question, the Z77 has an LGA1155 socket - that means I can use any CPU that is < LGA1155? LGA1156 wouldn't fit?)
There are basically 3 types of motherboard chipsets when it comes to intel now(excluding the E series), there is Bxx, Hxx, Zxx I do not remember the precise numbers for ivy bridge, but I like to think of them like this: B chipset- the average consumer one, H chipset- the higher grade motherboards that do not support overclocking, and Z chipset- are the higher grade motherboards that do support overclocking. As for the performance difference between the 3550P and 4440, it will be about a 10% performance increase, but to me you might as well get the newest when the prices are that different. As for the integrated graphics it really depends on if you are going to use it or not, but I guess it's a plus either way. And as for the generic question, yes 1155 motherboards only support 1155 socket CPU's so if you upgraded to the 4440, it is an 1150 socket CPU so you would need an 1150 socket motherboard. If you get the 4440 I would suggest the Gigabyte H87-D3H motherboard, it's not very expensive and is a great board.
Almost. H81 is low end, H85 is mid grade, H87 is high grade, Z87 is overclocking/high grade. B and Q chipsets are actually aimed at businesses with hyper-v support or whatever it's called, but the B's tend to have a good price so it can be a solid consumer board. (From what I remember from my Intel Gold partner training)
[QUOTE=Levelog;43694254]Almost. H81 is low end, H85 is mid grade, H87 is high grade, Z87 is overclocking/high grade. B and Q chipsets are actually aimed at businesses with hyper-v support or whatever it's called, but the B's tend to have a good price so it can be a solid consumer board. (From what I remember from my Intel Gold partner training)[/QUOTE]
Yes thank you I forgot about the three stages of the H chipset. but yes this explains it a little better than what I did.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;43678449]deathgod you're dumb that board is for overclocking btw you're cool!!![/QUOTE]
Thanks, I actually didn't notice that it was an overclocking motherboard.
[QUOTE=Death_God;43694477]Thanks, I actually didn't notice that it was an overclocking motherboard.[/QUOTE]
Yes just yes on the quote.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;43694415]Yes thank you I forgot about the three stages of the H chipset. but yes this explains it a little better than what I did.[/QUOTE]
Also that motherboard you linked is probably the best non-overclockable board you can get. Would strongly suggest it to OP.
I think you guys are missing some
[url]http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/[/url]
[QUOTE=Kevin3212;43695020]I think you guys are missing some
[url]http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/[/url][/QUOTE]
We were exclusively talking about ones compatible with haswell chips, so no, we aren't really missing any.
[QUOTE=Kevin3212;43695020]I think you guys are missing some
[url]http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/[/url][/QUOTE]
perfect [url]http://pcpartpicker.com/part/biostar-motherboard-a780l3c[/url]
[QUOTE=ExTek;43695302]perfect [url]http://pcpartpicker.com/part/biostar-motherboard-a780l3c[/url][/QUOTE]
What?
[editline]28th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Levelog;43695270]We were exclusively talking about ones compatible with haswell chips, so no, we aren't really missing any.[/QUOTE]
Oh
Alright, so far so good. I'm looking at these right now. The i5 4440 and the Gigabyte H87-D3H that Hydra mentioned = $320.
[url]http://products.ncix.com/detail/intel-core-i5-4440-quad-core-3-1ghz-processor-lga1150-haswell-6mb-cache-retail-a2-89861.htm?affiliateid=7474144[/url]
[url]http://products.ncix.com/detail/gigabyte-ga-h87-d3h-atx-lga1150-h87-ddr3-2pci-e16-2pci-e1-hdmi-crossfirex-sata3-usb3-0-motherboard-a7-84038.htm[/url]
The Z77 is actually $140 if I don't do the rebate, and I probably won't order these until next month which means it will be expired - and I'm too lazy to mail it in anyways. The RAM also has a $20-off deal that ends tomorrow so I was looking at this instead.
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666&AID=10657534&PID=3938566&SID=&nm_mc=AFC-C8junctionCA[/url]
Everything looks okay? It's all compatible and the parts won't burst into flames immediately when brought into the vicinity of one another?
[editline]28th January 2014[/editline]
Oh, Gigabyte's warranty is kind of shitty. The warranty period begins when it's manufactured/put onto the shelf, and it doesn't cover missing or broken pins.
[editline]28th January 2014[/editline]
I think I will get this ASUS H87M-E instead, I rather like ASUS.
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131995&AID=10657534&PID=3938566&SID=&nm_mc=AFC-C8junctionCA[/url]
It's compatible with the i5 4440 I assume? Good with my PSU? I looked at the specs and am pretty sure I got it all right, but I have little confidence in my judgement.
[editline]28th January 2014[/editline]
Thanks for everybody's help, by the way.
87 is only for 4th gen intel processors, so it should be compatible
Just thought I'd give an update for the sake of closure. Finally ordered the parts, got the i5-4440 + H87M-E + 8 gigs DDR3 RAM. Think I may order from Newegg again, I liked how fast the shipping was and how easy it seems to be to replace parts if they happen to not work. It was about $450 total with shipping & handling. The motherboard had a manufacturing defect in it on one of the RAM slots, but it seems to work okay otherwise. That specific slot likely won't work at all but I don't plan on getting a ridiculous amount of RAM so I might leave it. Don't plan on overclocking as I'm too cautious of temps and voltages, but maybe one day I'll play around with that. I had an issue after installing that bluescreened upon Windows loading, it was related to me using an IDE belt on my last motherboard but I found a nice easy fix online as it seems it's common.
As for performance, it's pretty dang nice. In general the PC is faster, obviously. Performance isn't affected a huge deal in most newer games (since I got a new CPU and not a GPU, doy!), but things like GTA 4/Hitman Absolution/Skyrim/Battlefield 3 run practically the highest at very smooth framerates. Hooray!
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