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[quote](Sept. 22) -- A novelist whose grandfather survived the Titanic's sinking has revealed a long-held family secret: that the man behind the ship's wheel turned it the wrong way, crashing into an iceberg and causing the ship's demise.
Louise Patten's grandfather Charles Lightoller was second officer on the Titanic's maiden -- and only -- voyage when it sank in April 1912. He was in his cabin when the boat struck the iceberg, and vowed to stay with the ship rather than go to a lifeboat. As it sank, he jumped into the water and was sucked down into the depths -- but then miraculously thrown back to the surface by an underwater explosion, and picked up by a lifeboat.
As the most senior surviving officer, Lightoller testified afterward to official U.S. and British investigative panels, telling them he had no idea why the ship went down. But his granddaughter Patten now says he was lying, and that he told his wife the real story. She told Patten the story after his death.
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Charles Lightoller was the most senior officer to survive the sinking of the Titanic. Although he told officials he didn't know why the ship went down, his granddaughter says he told his wife that the quartermaster accidentally steered it into an iceberg.
In her new book, "Good as Gold," Patten says the ship's steersman, who died on the Titanic, got mixed up and turned the wheel the wrong way. In 1912, ships were transitioning from using the tiller steering system of sailing ships -- where if you want to turn right, you push the tiller left, in the opposite direction -- to a new system on steam ships, which you drive like a car, turning the wheel in the direction you want to go.
"Crucially, the two steering systems were the complete opposite of one another. So a command to turn 'hard a-starboard' meant turn the wheel right under one system and left under the other," Patten told The Belfast Telegraph.
After the crash, Lightoller went to consult with the captain and first officer. "That is when they told him what had happened," Patten told another newspaper, London's Daily Telegraph. "Instead of steering Titanic safely round to the left of the iceberg, once it had been spotted dead ahead, the quartermaster, Robert Hitchins, [whose name is also sometimes recorded as Robert Hichens] had panicked and turned it the wrong way."
Patten says her grandfather lied to investigators because he didn't want to damage the name of his dead colleagues. And she says the family kept his secret for so long, because they didn't want to tarnish the legacy of Lightoller, who went on to become a British war hero in World War II.
"I've known since I was 10," Patten told told The Guardian. Besides being a crime novelist, Patten is also a London business executive and wife of former Conservative education secretary Lord John Patten.
Hitchins' wrong-way turn wasn't the only mistake that led to the Titanic's sinking, Patten said. As the ship was going down, its officers held a final meeting with its owner, Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star Line. Ismay believed the Titanic was "unsinkable" and persuaded the captain to keep sailing forward, rather than giving up and waiting for a rescue.
Sponsored Links "My grandfather described the decision to try and keep Titanic moving forward as criminal," Patten told The Guardian. "The nearest ship was four hours away. Had she remained at 'stop', it's probable that Titanic would have floated until help arrived."
Instead, more than 1,500 people died as the Titanic went down on April 15, 1912.
Experts say Patten's explanation of the mix-up with steering mechanisms is a not a new theory. "In the Titanic world, it's always been one of those things that's referred to," Michael McCaughan, a maritime specialist and Titanic researcher, told The Guardian.
"But of course, as we come up to the centenary, this is clearly interesting. It's a new piece of aural evidence coming in to the public sphere and it will give rise to a lot of discussion and debate," he said. "People are still fascinated by Titanic because it's like a parable of the human condition, it's a story of profit, pleasure and memorialization."
Patten's book reveals her family secrets about the Titanic in a fictionalized account of a banker who survives the sinking.[/quote]
First off, as Facepunch's resident Titanic expert (is there anyone else?), I would like to say NO.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.
As a matter of fact, it is true that Officer Lightoller deliberately tried to spare his crewmates from blame when he was inquiried. However, the ship [b]did[/b] come to a stop. I think that Mrs. Patten may be enhancing the truth to make a few bucks.
Opinions?
[b]Tl;dr The grandaughter of one of the ship's officers is saying that the ship's helmsman turned the ship into the iceberg and that owner Bruce Ismay forced the ship to keep going, making it sink faster. This goes against a lot of what was previously thought.[/b]
Who really cares. It happened ages ago, and it can't happen again, with these days systems. It's really late to start blaming someone now.
Tl;dr?
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I agree with you. I think hes just trying to make money and get recognized.
[QUOTE=Jiggmin;24982440]Tl;dr?[/QUOTE]
Some guy supposedly steered the ship the wrong way into an ice berg.
Although it's obvious that the government did titanic...
[i]inhancing?????[/i]
fuck.
fix'd.
[QUOTE=waffles16;24982486]Some guy supposedly steered the ship the wrong way into an ice berg.
Although it's obvious that the government did titanic...[/QUOTE]
Of course the government did Titanic, there are trails of nano-thermite that cut horizontally through the ship's hull! :downs:
[QUOTE=croguy;24982581]Of course the government did Titanic, there are trails of nano-thermite that cut horizontally through the ship's hull! :downs:[/QUOTE]
The only reason I can see America doing that is to blame it on Icebergs, which originate in the arctic (which has VAST RESERVES OF RESOURCES!!!)
Clearly they pinned the blame on icebergs to plan an invasion of the arctic.
It was the Bush administration.
[highlight]YOU'RE ALL SHEEP, SHEEP I TELL YOU[/highlight]
aliens/obama
Government/Planes
garry/muslims
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;24982819]The only reason I can see America doing that is to blame it on Icebergs, which originate in the arctic (which has VAST RESERVES OF RESOURCES!!!)
Clearly they pinned the blame on icebergs to plan an invasion of the arctic.[/QUOTE]
Dear God it is all connected! Quick, we must bring down the American government to save all the innocent icebergs from being cutted off Greenland so greedy American government can't get vast resources of nothingtanium!
It does smell of fish. I used to follow titanic lore when I was younger and this does sound as if someone's trying to make a revisionist buck.
So if Titanic was deliberate, does that mean 9/11 was an accident?
I know who did 4/14
Jews!
that goddamn Iceberg! I bet he was planning it with Schulberg! Or was that Schatzberg?
9/11 did it.
Oh god titanic conspiracy theories? Really?
[QUOTE=scotland1;24984048]Oh god titanic conspiracy theories? Really?[/QUOTE]
You think this is a joke? watch this and if you still think the titanic wasn't an inside job, you're a blind sheep.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI[/media]
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;24982427]Who really cares. It happened ages ago, and it can't happen again, with these days systems. It's really late to start blaming someone now.[/QUOTE]
If I said this about 9/11 I would get flamed.
I fucking hate double standards. :colbert:
[QUOTE=JoeyZ;24984099]If I said this about 9/11 I would get flamed.
I fucking hate double standards. :colbert:[/QUOTE]
9/11 = 2001, done on purpose, aka mass murder
Titanic = 1912, accident
They're different. Just a little bit.
The rivets on the ships hull were fastened too tight and with a lot of slag.
When the Titanic hit the iceberg the rivets snapped and ruptured the hull.
Flooding the water compartments and sinking the ship.
And when the ship was suddenly thrown into full reverse, the propeller blades made large air pockets, causing no suction and thus not doing anything.
Plus the rudder was way to small for such a large ship such as the tTitanic
[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;24984438]The rivets on the ships hull were fastened too tight and with a lot of slag.
When the Titanic hit the iceberg the rivets snapped and ruptured the hull.
Flooding the water compartments and sinking the ship.
And when the ship was suddenly thrown into full reverse, the propeller blades made large air pockets, causing no suction and thus not doing anything.
Plus the rudder was way to small for such a large ship such as the tTitanic[/QUOTE]
All true.
[QUOTE=FreakySoup;24984513]All true.[/QUOTE]
Nice to know I'm not the only walking encyclopedia on the Titanic
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James* Cameron did it.
It was to try and add to the emotional pull of his movie "Titanic"
David Cameron was in on it too.
Simply because he's British.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;24984648]David Cameron did it.
It was to try and add to the emotional pull of his movie "Titanic"[/QUOTE]
You mean James Cameron?
[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;24984438]nd when the ship was suddenly thrown into full reverse, the propeller blades made large air pockets, causing no suction and thus not doing anything.[/QUOTE]
Also the Titanic had three propellers, and the center propeller could not be reversed, so by ordering full-speed aster they basically crippled the ship's turning ability. Head-on collision would have saved the ship since it would have only buckled a few compartments (not without injuries of course, but with probably less people dead).
None of that matters thought, the thing is just a huge pile of rusty junk in the bottom of the Atlantic ocean now.
There were so many flaws with Titanic, there are plenty of possible reasons to why it could have gone down; in the end it doesn't really matter what it was.
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