California To Permit Medically Assisted Suicide As Of June 9 - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/10/469970753/californias-law-on-medically-assisted-suicide-to-take-effect-june-9"]Source[/URL] [QUOTE]California Gov. Jerry Brown signed landmark legislation last October that would allow terminally ill people to request life-ending medication from their physicians.[/QUOTE]

If this is just for terminally ill patients I can get behind this, there's no reason to let them continue to suffer if they're going to die within the next month.

I am glad to hear that individuals will no longer be forced to die slowly and painfully. No family would want the the agonizingly traumatic image of their relative suffering be the last memory of them.

It is good that patients have a choice. Unfortunately I don't see the practice of euthanasia becoming accepted in the mainstream anytime soon...

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49912586]Why not everyone? Knowing at anytime I have the say on whether I live or die sometimes keeps me going, as suicidal and depressive as that sounds. It's nice knowing everything is "optional." I do things because I want to, not because I have to.[/QUOTE] Yearning to die indicates some sort of dysfunction that ought to be rectified and dying is not just you "vanishing" and that's it. There is a lot of work to be done postmortem for it to be just considered as respawning or re-rolling the dice.

on the fence about this, kinda wish there was more than a 48 sign-to-die length, I would have said a week minimum but eh. On one hand I don't think people should have to suffer, but the other side of me is kinda in the gray area

I wish assisted suicide wasn't just locked down to terminally ill patients. Quiet a few people who have mental illnesses see it as an alternative to just simply offing themselves and confusing the fuck out of everyone. Not to mention if you were at a low point where you didn't feel you could recover, why shouldn't you be able to just remove yourself and at least give people the closure of seeing you on a deathbed?

[QUOTE=axelord157;49912536][URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/10/469970753/californias-law-on-medically-assisted-suicide-to-take-effect-june-9"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE] I'm glad they are bringing this back. We had it here but a group that i won't mention got rid of it. In some cases its a good thing in others it may be over used but if its the people who are terminally ill that request it then maybe its a good thing? assuming they can make the request in the right state of mine. Still.. What about people who want to kill them selves anyway?

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49912561]I am glad to hear that individuals will no longer be forced to die slowly and painfully. No family would want the the agonizingly traumatic image of their relative suffering be the last memory of them.[/QUOTE] After 6 months of being with my girlfriend, her seemingly healthy mom was diagnosed with cancer. She died 2 months ago, after months of pain and suffering. I can safely say that medically assisted suicide needs to be permitted everywhere in the world. Seeing someone in pain like that is a terrible experience for everyone involved. Everyone would have been much better off remembering her for what she was, and she herself could have stopped the pain in time.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49912586]Why not everyone? Knowing at anytime I have the say on whether I live or die sometimes keeps me going, as suicidal and depressive as that sounds. It's nice knowing everything is "optional." I do things because I want to, not because I have to.[/QUOTE] I think depression is something we should be trying to fix rather than let people just die. Depression is very different than people who are going to die anyway in that terminally ill people can't be cured, depression and similar disorders usually have ways to be dealt with through certain methods. Not always, but if we can actually help a person not want to die when they aren't going to anytime soon I'd say we should work to try and get them to not desire suicide. I don't know though. I've suffered depression but have never been suicidal during it.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49912610]on the fence about this, kinda wish there was more than a 48 sign-to-die length, I would have said a week minimum but eh. On one hand I don't think people should have to suffer, but the other side of me is kinda in the gray area[/QUOTE] If they're terminally ill anyway 48 hours seems like enough time.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49912612]I wish assisted suicide wasn't just locked down to terminally ill patients. Quiet a few people who have mental illnesses see it as an alternative to just simply offing themselves and confusing the fuck out of everyone. Not to mention if you were at a low point where you didn't feel you could recover, why shouldn't you be able to just remove yourself and at least give people the closure of seeing you on a deathbed?[/QUOTE] I think it's because as things stand, it could be very open to misuse if extended towards such individuals. What would the definition be of 'too messed up in the mind to function' ? Also a number of mental illnesses are quite treatable provided the patient presents at an appropriate timing and is open to receiving the appropriate care for the same. With terminally ill patients you at least know that you're going to bring a close to their sufferings instead of needlessly keeping them on to die a lingering, painful death. With the mentally ill, it could open up a huge can of worms with regard to the legality, the issue of patient choice, the potential for misuse, however remote it might be, and so forth. Physicians and mental health experts would have to debate the pros and cons for years before it would even be considered, and even if we were to throw in neurodegenerative disorders like parkinson's or alzheimer's, or syndromes such as ALS, under the same definition, I would only consider it acceptable if death were a humane option compared to continued existence as a shell of your former self, incapable of rational thought.

Good. Nobody should have to see a family member go through a slow, painful death. Not only would it be better for the patient, but the family and doctors as well.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49912703]Respawning? I'm assuming once someone dies, they're dead. No heaven or such. That'd actually be terrible. In heaven, you're forced to live forever. If you mean after-dead plans like wills and funerals and such, I would plan that for a few years at minimum if I decided I was tired of living. Big choices should take a lot of time![/QUOTE] From the little evidence we have today, it is assumed that what happens after you die is what happened last time. Birth.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49912719]From the evidence we have today, it is assumed that what happens after you die is what happened last time. Birth.[/QUOTE] wat No really I wasn't aware we had literally any evidence at all related to what happens after you die.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49912719]From the evidence we have today, it is assumed that what happens after you die is what happened last time. Birth.[/QUOTE] We don't have any evidence today. I would be inclined to say that after we die there is nothing, that consciousness completely ceases to exist in any form.

Semantics is irrelevant. When you die, you are rolling the dice in assuming what happens next. Whether it be a respawn or into nothingness, it serves little to the larger argument at hand — killing yourself is not as simple as you and your estate "vanishing". Postmortem is a thing many people put their hands and hours on.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49912779]And yeah I know life doesn't just "vanish" from other peoples perspective, but from mine it does. And when it comes to death, my perspective is all that matters to me. Now don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean "fuck everyone i'll die anyway," I can include others peoples' feelings into my perspective. We all do that everyday. Or at least we should.[/QUOTE] Just because you don't have to deal with your corpse and estate after you die doesn't mean that anyone else doesn't have to either.

so what is the best way to kill yourself while minimizing the impact of killing yourself?

[QUOTE=CoixNiro;49912828]so what is the best way to kill yourself while minimizing the impact of killing yourself?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't recommend jumping off a building.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49912712]I forgot about depression until after I made that post. I didn't consider people making rash decisions under depression and sadness. That would definitely be something to take into consideration.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't. If you make the argument that depressed people make rash decisions you also have to make the argument that people in constant physical pain make rash decisions - if euthanasia is fine for physical disease then it should be fine for mental disease too.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49912855]I know, that's why in my previous post I stated I would plan it out years in advance[/QUOTE] That's good in theory — but people do not kill themselves after years in advance. If it took that long, they would likely reconsider and choose to live. Suicide is often done rashly, with little afterthought.

[QUOTE=Disseminate;49912856]It wouldn't. If you make the argument that depressed people make rash decisions you also have to make the argument that people in constant physical pain make rash decisions - if euthanasia is fine for physical disease then it should be fine for mental disease too.[/QUOTE] Depression is almost always temporary and treatable. Something like cancer is often a slow, painful, inevitable death.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49912866]One can be treated, though. You should at least give treatment an attempt, if a cure or treatment is possible.[/QUOTE] Not all mental illnesses can be treated. [QUOTE=Moronic;49912869]Depression is [B]almost[/B] always temporary and treatable. Something like cancer is often a slow, painful, inevitable death.[/QUOTE]

Its clear cut if its for terminal patients in extreme pain because after a certain point the matter becomes a huge grey area for Doctors and Paitents. This will help in some cases to remove that grey area and allow the doctor to do their job right. On the other hand I don't want to see this get expanded out to people with suicidal depression and the like, this shouldn't be an option for functioning humans who have issues that can be treated.

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[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;49912872]Not all mental illnesses can be treated.[/QUOTE] If not treated, controlled to a point where someone can live a somewhat normal life.

Depression is, for the most part, a lifelong affliction for those whose depression severely alters their lives. But it CAN be managed to the point where a person can be just as happy and content with their lives despite that. Medication, therapy, professional help, and stress management are all a variety of ways that a depressed person can live a full, happy life. Yes, they will still have depression. A lot of people do. But depression isn't a death sentence. I have it, but I'm not settling. Every now and then I dip into a dangerous place but I know that it'll pass eventually. Assisted suicide for depression is going into weird legal territory of morals, ethics, and should, if allowed, only be reserved for cases where all other help, medication, or assistance has been tried and failed. Especially for younger people whose mental processes are still developing and forming.

[QUOTE=Pascall;49912921]Depression is, for the most part, a lifelong affliction for those whose depression severely alters their lives. But it CAN be managed to the point where a person can be just as happy and content with their lives despite that. Medication, therapy, professional help, and stress management are all a variety of ways that a depressed person can live a full, happy life. Yes, they will still have depression. A lot of people do. But depression isn't a death sentence. I have it, but I'm not settling. Every now and then I dip into a dangerous place but I know that it'll pass eventually. Assisted suicide for depression is going into weird legal territory of morals, ethics, and should, if allowed, only be reserved for cases where all other help, medication, or assistance has been tried and failed. Especially for younger people whose mental processes are still developing and forming.[/QUOTE] Yeah but you can't really stop a person from killing themselves, and I would even argue it's morally wrong to choose for other people, but of course this is morally dubious territory. I've had depression for 16 years. Even now when I'm in one of my own personal "Upswings" I'm still pretty depressed. And medication, therapy, professional help, are all very costly. Even in Canada, you pay for those things. A depressed person, struggling to make ends meet, can't get that help. And we honestly do expect those people to just "pull through" which I find to be a bit ridiculous. Depression is a personal disease, it's different for everyone who has it. I know a lot of people would take the easy way out if it were just "that" easy. I don't think choosing to die should be that easy, but I don't think your life should really be in anothers hands.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49912864]That's good in theory — but people do not kill themselves after years in advance. If it took that long, they would likely reconsider and choose to live. Suicide is often done rashly, with little afterthought.[/QUOTE] That's a bit of assumption there, there have been people who planned to kill themsleves for years and gone through with it. [url]http://martin-manley.eprci.com/[/url]