Campaigns to leave the NUS launched at several universities
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36109164[/url]
[quote]Students from several universities, including Oxford and Cambridge, are threatening to vote to break away from the National Union of Students.
It follows the controversial election of new president, Malia Bouattia, the NUS's first black female Muslim leader.[/quote]
[quote]Universities where groups lobbying for disaffiliation referendums have already started campaigning include Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, Birmingham, York, Exeter and Aberystwyth and Kings College London.[/quote]
Well at least there is some hope. I was beginning to think the average British university student was a loon with the shit NUS keeps spewing.
[editline]23rd April 2016[/editline]
Also, she's hardly "black". She could pass off as a tanned white person any day. Of whatever hardships black people experience in the UK, she probably doesn't experience them.
it really isn't because she's the first black female muslim leader. it's because she's a fucking nut.
[QUOTE=Bobie;50181488]it really isn't because she's the first black female muslim leader. it's because she's a fucking nut.[/QUOTE]
What is it she's doing?
[QUOTE=Passing;50181502]What is it she's doing?[/QUOTE]
It's in the article; some rather anti - Semitic comments mostly.
[QUOTE=Passing;50181502]What is it she's doing?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how accurate it is but "The Tab" claims she believes there is a massive Zionist media conspiracy to oppress Muslims with an emphasis on Palestine. She also stated she supports violent struggles to correct this because divestment isn't enough and the peace project is apparently a conspiracy to put the Palestine under the Israeli jackboot. She also has ties to an ISIS apologist group called "Cage". She claims the words Zionist are political and not religious but to me it's a dog-whistle word.
[url]http://thetab.com/2016/04/19/watch-future-nus-president-malia-bouattia-endorse-violent-struggle-87052[/url]
[QUOTE=Passing;50181502]What is it she's doing?[/QUOTE]
she is incredibly soft on ISIS, refusing to condemn them until the NUS forced her to in which all she did was 'support' a motion in which the NUS depicted ISIS as having 'politics and methods' that they condemned. She's also consistently anti-semetic, questioning israel-palestine peace talks, calling the university of birmingham a 'zionist outpost' and calling out the wider media for being 'zionist'.
It sets a precedent for a lack of critical thinking that the NUS has had for years; going full circle until hating the jews is now considered a progressive, liberal policy. I've never felt that she, or the NUS have represented me (though i'm not bothered by that because my university isn't a member anyway), and now they are feeling repercussions of pissing people off who are even more liberal than I am, with [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/04/21/oxford-university-students-seek-to-cut-ties-with-nus-after-anti/"]oxford moving to pull their membership from the NUS [/URL] being amongst the first strikes to effect them.
This is how students, especially left-leaning students, get painted under the same brush of being a group of regressive leftists that are hell bent on spreading ridiculous race/religion-centric bullshit. The sooner people like Bouattia lose their jobs, the sooner we can start talking about real issues and not pretend ones.
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Ah, I understand. Yeah you've got a lot of people like this they tend to allow the creeping shadow in slowly and as time goes by theses things become normal until everything has change.
I still can't understand why Muslims hate Jewish People or Why they support groups like ISIS trying to force their cultist ideals on to others.
How is she black lmao
[QUOTE=Jame's;50181673]How is she black lmao[/QUOTE]
I stopped asking that question a long time ago. We have the same thing here. Aborigines identified as black even when they are as white as day.
I finally concluded they must be trans-race.
I don't understand how the NUS can claim to represent students, but then also reject the idea that individual students are allowed a vote in their running. They stopped being representative of students when they enforce 'positive discrimination' for their conferences (minimum of 50% women coming from each Union, if you're representatives vote for say 3 males and 2 females, the 5th person will automatically go to the next highest voted female candidate, I believe).
They also have enormous power over what each individual students union should be doing. It all seems mental to me, espeically for something each student are automatically signed up for when you sign up for your affiliated Union.
I worked for the marketing department for my Students Union in 2014-15, and the 'hive mind' approach those elected into the NUS take is a really bad thing for students. I hope something comes of this, and we get something a lot fairer to just the average student.
Wow, feels weird to see a uni group you're part of talked about by the BBC. Bear in mind it isn't about the new president as some people here seem to have the impression of, she is merely the last straw that broke the horse's back after a series of completely loony decisions.
4 Years at uni and I still honestly have no idea what the NUS does apart from get me a mc flurry at mcdonalds
Sounds like something socialist alternative over here would support TBH
Unions should always stand with their members, and be apolitical beyond that. Disgraceful.
I'm at York and 99% of people don't give two shits about the NUS and the 1% minority who do are kicking up such a fuss in the press. Our former LGBT officer called those who want to leave transphobic. :v:
[quote]It follows the controversial election of new president, Malia Bouattia, the NUS's first black female Muslim leader.[/quote]
LOL, talk about progress. This is ---
[quote]Ms Bouattia has been accused of making anti-Semitic remarks - including calling the University of Birmingham "something of a Zionist outpost".
She has insisted her argument was political rather than one of religion.
Harry Samuels, an NUS delegate from the University of Oxford, told BBC Newsnight the appointment of Ms Bouattia was undemocratic, as she was not elected under a system of "one member, one vote".
"It's not just about Malia in particular," he said.
"Obviously her election enshrines the fact that NUS no longer represents all students, but there are other grievances we have with the rest of the organisation, there are other reasons we think that the organisation is no longer reformable.
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Oh. Nice one, OP. You almost got me.
Both gesture of threatening to leave and legitimately electing a person like her is pathetic. NUS deserves condemnation.
I find it hilarious that they had to subvert the 'one vote per member' system simply because they thought it wouldn't bring in a 'progressive' candidate.
Well done, you made your bed, get fucked in it.
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I still can't understand why Muslims hate Jewish People or Why they support groups like ISIS trying to force their cultist ideals on to others.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict]Really? You haven't a single clue?[/url]
[QUOTE=icemaz;50181794]I don't understand how the NUS can claim to represent students, but then also reject the idea that individual students are allowed a vote in their running. They stopped being representative of students when they enforce 'positive discrimination' for their conferences (minimum of 50% women coming from each Union, if you're representatives vote for say 3 males and 2 females, the 5th person will automatically go to the next highest voted female candidate, I believe).
They also have enormous power over what each individual students union should be doing. It all seems mental to me, espeically for something each student are automatically signed up for when you sign up for your affiliated Union.
I worked for the marketing department for my Students Union in 2014-15, and the 'hive mind' approach those elected into the NUS take is a really bad thing for students. I hope something comes of this, and we get something a lot fairer to just the average student.[/QUOTE]
affirmative action helps nobody.
[QUOTE=Retardation;50198752]the problem is more along the lines of people caring about complex issues that have absolutely no fucking relation to them whatsoever, and it gets even worse when they think they do just because both parties or muslim (or jewish)
misplaced sympathy that instigates hatred instead of understanding is one of the main driving forces of our conflict[/QUOTE]
To be fair, the woman in the article was originally from Algeria so I think she has somewhat of a relation to the middle eastern issues.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50198809]To be fair, the woman in the article was originally from Algeria so I think she has somewhat of a relation to the middle eastern issues.[/QUOTE]
Algeria is on the other fucking side of the mediterranean
[QUOTE=Mallow234;50198828]Algeria is on the other fucking side of the mediterranean[/QUOTE]
Its still Arab and Muslim, though?
Hell, Algeria and Morocco sent troops to Egypt to fight in the Six Day War
[editline]25th April 2016[/editline]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Middle_East[/url]
[QUOTE=Retardation;50198932]So what? The point is that this woman doesn't have anything to do with the Israeli Palestinian conflict. She doesn't know what's going on here beyond what she already wants to know.
Just because both her and Palestinians are Arab and (mostly) Muslim, that doesn't mean she understands what is happening here or bares any sort of relation or relevance to this particular region.
Excuse my attitude but the thought of people living thousands of miles away from this place, in their safe homes having never known terror or - oppositely - occupation, trying to dictate to me or the Palestinians how we should behave is just aggravating as hell. It always bothered me and this woman is one of those same self-righteous assholes trying to push an agenda over the bodies of dead people.[/QUOTE]
I seriously doubt majority of people pushing any kind of agenda, for good or bad, have been in the conditions of they talk about.
Maybe I shouldn't donate to food donations in Africa because I've never had to starve, personally.
I shouldn't be concerned about the death toll in Syria because a bomb has never flown over my head before.
Just because people don't experience something personally doesn't mean they aren't allowed to care.
[QUOTE=download;50181478]Well at least there is some hope. I was beginning to think the average British university student was a loon with the shit NUS keeps spewing.[/QUOTE]
Your first mistake was thinking that the average student actually pays attention to the NUS outside of the free shit they can get us.
Your second was assuming the NUS actually had any power that the university hosting a NUS backed SU can't just veto anyway.
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