25,000th Syrian Refugee lands in Canada - Polidicks

[url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/25-000th-syrian-refugee-lands-in-canada-1.3467886[/url] [QUOTE]A plane touched down in Montreal on Saturday night carrying the 25,000th Syrian refugee to arrive in Canada since November. It marks the end of the first phase of the resettlement program launched by the Liberal government shortly after taking office. Reaching the 25,000-figure represents an important step for the Liberal government, which made an election promise of resettling that many people fleeing the civil war in Syria. The Liberals had initially promised to reach the goal by the end of 2015, but that was pushed to the end of February once they took power. Of the 25,000 who have now arrived, more than half will have their costs covered by the government in their first year, with the rest supported by private groups or a mix of the two.[/QUOTE] Was it worth it? 10% unemployment, thousands upon thousands of homeless families and veterans still homeless..? On one hand most of these are actual refugees (unlike Europe) but on the other hand it seems a bit unfair to many of the struggling people born here.

Short answer based on already existing said problems in the country? No. Not worth it.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49831685][url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/25-000th-syrian-refugee-lands-in-canada-1.3467886[/url] Was it worth it? 10% unemployment, thousands upon thousands of homeless families and veterans still homeless..? On one hand most of these are actual refugees (unlike Europe) but on the other hand it seems a bit unfair to many of the struggling people born here.[/QUOTE] It may seem unfair to the homeless families born in Canada but the Canadians weren't pushed out of their homes across the globe because of armed conflict.

[QUOTE=duckmaster;49831720]It may seem unfair to the homeless families born in Canada but the Canadians weren't pushed out of their homes across the globe because of armed conflict.[/QUOTE] no now they just get to face 10 years of neglect as we have to focus on other problems because the refugees had it worse so they get the help and attention and forget about the homeless i'm glad refugees get to escape that war, I just don't like that we won't see a switch in priorities to helping the homeless in our nation any time soon

If they don't fix the homeless problem first/as well I feel like quite a few of these refugees will end up homeless anyways.

Hopefully they go back when the war is over.

[QUOTE=Lurr;49831837]Hopefully they go back when the war is over.[/QUOTE] What's it matter to you? You're not in Canada.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49831875]What's it matter to you? You're not in Canada.[/QUOTE] What's it matter to you? You're not in Syria.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49831685][url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/25-000th-syrian-refugee-lands-in-canada-1.3467886[/url] Was it worth it? 10% unemployment, thousands upon thousands of homeless families and veterans still homeless..? On one hand most of these are actual refugees (unlike Europe) but on the other hand it seems a bit unfair to many of the struggling people born here.[/QUOTE] I am sure 35 Million Canadians will barely notice a plus of 0.07% increase of people. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49831767]no now they just get to face 10 years of neglect as we have to focus on other problems because the refugees had it worse so they get the help and attention and forget about the homeless i'm glad refugees get to escape that war, I just don't like that we won't see a switch in priorities to helping the homeless in our nation any time soon[/QUOTE] Why does care for Refugees equal neglect of other groups for you? Does care for homeless people equal neglect of care for war veterans for you? Does care for war veterans equal neglect of care for disabled? Can we maybe look at the real issue for homelessness? And maybe not instrumentalize it? It's only one click away! [quote]Some of the homeless who make use of homeless shelters are also employed. Individuals and families are simply priced out of private housing markets. In 1999, about 26% or 2.8 million Canadian households fell below the minimum amount required to afford a basic home, gauged at $25,920. Five years later, this number rose to 26% or 3.2 million households.[/quote] Income inequality hardly comes from missmanagement of wellfare ressources.

[QUOTE=Lurr;49831883]What's it matter to you? You're not in Syria.[/QUOTE] Hahaha yes friend you showed that refugee collaborator. Sweden yes! Am I right? :~) Seriously. What the fuck is the purpose of this post? Why do refugees in Canada not leaving the second their originating country is safe again matter to you?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49831911]Hahaha yes friend you showed that refugee collaborator. Sweden yes! Am I right? :~) Seriously. What the fuck is the purpose of this post? Why do refugees in Canada not leaving the second their originating country is safe again matter to you?[/QUOTE] Why does it matter to you that there's a war in Syria? It's a cheap cop-out. "Well, you can't have an opinion about something happening in a foreign country because you don't live there! It doesn't matter to you!". I guarantee you that you wouldn't be saying that if I praised Canada for taking refugees. Furthermore, that is what refugees do. They go back home when it is safe. Migrants leave permanently.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49831685][URL]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/25-000th-syrian-refugee-lands-in-canada-1.3467886[/URL] Was it worth it? 10% unemployment, thousands upon thousands of homeless families and veterans still homeless..? On one hand most of these are actual refugees (unlike Europe) but on the other hand it seems a bit unfair to many of the struggling people born here.[/QUOTE] So a country has to have a 0% unemployment and homeless rate for it to be okay to accept refuges? And what the fuck do you mean "actual refuges (unlike Europe)." Let me guess, because the refugees in Europe didn't stop in countries already overflowing with refugees, they aren't refugees.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49831911]Hahaha yes friend you showed that refugee collaborator. Sweden yes! Am I right? :~) Seriously. What the fuck is the purpose of this post? Why do refugees in Canada not leaving the second their originating country is safe again matter to you?[/QUOTE] Supporter or not. This refugee crisis is a shared international issue and we need all nations input on the the matter. There's a reason why the Internet is the world's largest democratic tool. He may not be directly mattered to Canada's position, but he has every right to raise his voice about it.

[QUOTE=Lurr;49831920]Why does it matter to you that there's a war in Syria? It's a cheap cop-out. "Well, you can't have an opinion about something happening in a foreign country because you don't live there! It doesn't matter to you!" Furthermore, that is what refugees do. They go back home when it is safe. Migrants leave permanently.[/QUOTE] The war in Syria is important due to the world being a collection of countries, not individual lumps of land that never interact. Especially due to the groups involved in said war. There are resources in the ME that everyone would quite like to exploit, so what happens down there is a problem for us. And yeah, refugees go home. But it's not instant and they will likely be stuck in their current host country for a few years. Mass migration takes time, sending people back from a MEDC is fucking hard because we tend to actually check to make sure that person isn't in danger if we send them back. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=The bird Man;49831932]Supporter or not. This refugee crisis is a shared international issue and we need all nations input on the the matter. There's a reason why the Internet is the world's largest democratic tool. He may not be directly mattered to Canada's position, but he has every right to raise his voice about it.[/QUOTE] He may have the right to post about it, but that doesn't make the point valid in any way. Crying about refugees who opt to stay in their new host country is pretty bullshit. They'll still have to go through the system like any other migrant, they just happen to be inside the country already.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49831935] And yeah, refugees go home. But it's not instant and they will likely be stuck in their current host country for a few years. Mass migration takes time, sending people back from a MEDC is fucking hard because we tend to actually check to make sure that person isn't in danger if we send them back. [/QUOTE] That's what I was saying. I didn't say "Send them back right now", I said send them back when the war is over. [QUOTE]the world being a collection of countries, not individual lumps of land that never interact. [/QUOTE] Hence why I can have an opinion about Canada accepting refugees.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49831685][url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/25-000th-syrian-refugee-lands-in-canada-1.3467886[/url] Was it worth it? 10% unemployment, thousands upon thousands of homeless families and veterans still homeless..? On one hand most of these are actual refugees (unlike Europe) but on the other hand it seems a bit unfair to many of the struggling people born here.[/QUOTE] Refugees now make up 0.07% of Canada.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49831894]I am sure 35 Million Canadians will barely notice a plus of 0.07% increase of people.[/QUOTE] I actually agree with you on this, 25000 people in a stable country with a population of 35 million seems fine to me. I don't think the influx will contribute much to Canada's economy and assuming they will be properly integrated this could be a win win over time.

really revolting how people try to piggyback on the issue of homelessness and deploy it against refugees. if a person's going to be nativist about it at least recognize that homelessness is symptomatic of your own failures, not theirs.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49832030]really revolting how people try to piggyback on the issue of homelessness and deploy it against refugees. if a person's going to be nativist about it at least recognize that homelessness is symptomatic of your own failures, not theirs.[/QUOTE] I don't think anybody is blaming homelessness on the refugees, it's just that problems require money and focus and the more you spread it out the slower the progress in each area. In this case I feel it's pretty unwarranted though because of the scale of things.

Here's a question: Why not pay these folks minimum-wage, provide food and living, and then just have them work on infrastructure projects? If it worked for the United States during the Depression, why not take advantage of the sheer number of unemployed and use the situation to get some big projects done? Worst-case scenario, they refuse. Best-case scenario, you've got a huge,trained workforce equipped to build trans-continental freeways and rail-lines. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] You want to be a refugee in Canada? Here's a week-long course on surveying and some equipment, help us lay out this new rail line.

[QUOTE=Lurr;49831837]Hopefully they go back when the war is over.[/QUOTE] That will not happen. Perhaps a few but most refugees/migrants in Europe and Canada are here to stay. 1. The area will not be democratic/stable for decades 2. "it'll be wrong to send em back, its been too long" [QUOTE=Fayez;49831929]So a country has to have a 0% unemployment and homeless rate for it to be okay to accept refuges? And what the fuck do you mean "actual refuges (unlike Europe)." Let me guess, because the refugees in Europe didn't stop in countries already overflowing with refugees, they aren't refugees.[/QUOTE] Most people applying for asylum are actually migrants from Pakistan, India and Africa. [QUOTE=ewitwins;49832081]Here's a question: Why not pay these folks minimum-wage, provide food and living, and then just have them work on infrastructure projects? If it worked for the United States during the Depression, why not take advantage of the sheer number of unemployed and use the situation to get some big projects done? [/QUOTE] Construction is a high-skilled and competitive industry. Random people who don't speak the language can't do these jobs. Years in trade school, etc.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832088]Most people applying for asylum are actually migrants from Pakistan, India and Africa.[/QUOTE]...this thread is about syrian refugees and the majority doesn't make the 'actual' refugees non-existent

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49832096]...this thread is about syrian refugees[/QUOTE] You completely ignored the context of that statement.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832088] Most people applying for asylum are actually migrants from Pakistan, India and Africa. [/QUOTE] hey ranger [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Map_of_the_European_Migrant_Crisis_2015.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/12325/production/_85333547_asylum_applications_eu_624.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/86B2/production/_88328443_origins_asylum_applicants_624gr.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832111]You completely ignored the context of that statement.[/QUOTE]to not describe the people leaving places in africa + other places as actual refugees belittles the problems they are facing [img]http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/f/f1/First_time_asylum_applicants_in_the_EU-28_by_citizenship%2C_Q3_2014_%E2%80%93_Q3_2015.png[/img] [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] graphboyz2k16

It's a load of shit that we're prioritizing the refugees over homeless people and veterans, but they're here now and they're not going away and we have to accept that and at least attempt to make them feel welcome here. Because if we don't at least make that attempt, they'll never properly adapt to and integrate with Canadian culture and society and just fuck off and make a bunch of "Little Syrias" in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and Calgary. I do have hopes that they can adapt though. I know it's anecdotal, but I have a friend who came from Afghanistan as a refugee and both her and her family had no problem adapting to Canadian society so if people coming from one of the least developed countries in the world can do it, the Syrians have absolutely no excuse not to given that they're coming from a country that before the war was fairly modern and civilized and most of them are educated and/or want a good future for their children.

[QUOTE=The golden;49831953]Out of everything the Liberals wanted to push this is the one outright glaring thing that I strongly oppose. I find it very wrong that the first order of action by the new government was to assist those of another country rather than deal with the problems in the country they were actually elected in. You know, things like our large unemployment and some of the highest housing costs in the world? It's not right. If they wanted to work on it as a side-project then fine, that's somewhat more agreeable, but they put it first before the needs of Canadians and that's bullshit.[/QUOTE] When did they put it first? With what?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49831767]no now they just get to face 10 years of neglect as we have to focus on other problems because the refugees had it worse so they get the help and attention and forget about the homeless i'm glad refugees get to escape that war, I just don't like that we won't see a switch in priorities to helping the homeless in our nation any time soon[/QUOTE] I always despise this argument. You can solve homelessness and give aid to refugees at the same time. The problem is like you said, aiding homeless is never going to be a priority.

Surely this is the end of Canada as we know it. I almost didn't notice that accepting 25,00 people had turned the country to shit! We should have just told them to fuck off. You know, just because our country has some problems we need to deal with doesn't mean we can't ALSO help other people out. IMO Canada is at it's best when we help others.

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;49832165]It's a load of shit that we're prioritizing the refugees over homeless people and veterans, but they're here now and they're not going away and we have to accept that and at least attempt to make them feel welcome here. Because if we don't at least make that attempt, they'll never properly adapt to and integrate with Canadian culture and society and just fuck off and make a bunch of "Little Syrias" in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and Calgary. I do have hopes that they can adapt though. I know it's anecdotal, but I have a friend who came from Afghanistan as a refugee and both her and her family had no problem adapting to Canadian society so if people coming from one of the least developed countries in the world can do it, the Syrians have absolutely no excuse not to given that they're coming from a country that before the war was fairly modern and civilized and most of them are educated and/or want a good future for their children.[/QUOTE] Where are they prioritized? Srsly. I don't know Canada so please tell me wich law is doing that. I'm really interested because frankly I can not believe that.