• Israeli forces shoot, kill 12-year-old Palestinian boy near Hebron
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[quote]A 12-year old Palestinian boy was shot dead by Israeli soldiers while playing in front of his home in al-Fawwar refugee camp south of Hebron in the southern West Bank early Sunday, medics told Ma'an. Palestinian medical sources at Hebron's al-Ahli Hospital told Ma'an that Khalil Muhammad Ahmad al-Anati arrived at the hospital after being shot in the back.[/quote] Business as usual, move along. [url]http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=719498[/url]
Here we go again, I guess.
He was hiding rockets in his pockets.
[QUOTE]A few young men hurled stones at the soldiers in response to the military incursion, and the soldiers subsequently opened fire at the boys, locals said. [/QUOTE] So he got shot because people in the vicinity were throwing stones? Is it standard procedure to shoot people who throw stones? [QUOTE]He was hiding rockets in his pockets.[/QUOTE] More like rocks
according to another source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/10/israel-west-bank_n_5665577.html[/url] [quote]The military said troops shot in response to a "violent riot" and that it was investigating Khalil al-Anati's death. "Forces opened fire towards main instigators (of the disturbance), identifying a hit," the military spokesman said in a statement. "Initial indication suggests that unfortunately, a Palestinian boy was killed by the fire. The circumstances are being reviewed."[/quote] it's a tragedy, but it sounds more likely that he was hit by a stray bullet from the israelis than deliberate malice on their part.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45681505]according to another source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/10/israel-west-bank_n_5665577.html[/url] it's a tragedy, but it sounds more likely that he was hit by a stray bullet from the israelis than deliberate malice on their part.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's just life; sometimes when you fire indiscriminately into a crowd of people you hit a child. Everyone makes mistakes. Live and let live.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45681505]according to another source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/10/israel-west-bank_n_5665577.html[/url] it's a tragedy, but it sounds more likely that he was hit by a stray bullet from the israelis than deliberate malice on their part.[/QUOTE] Its deliberate malice to use live ammunition on demonstrators
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45681753]Yeah that's just life; sometimes when you fire indiscriminately into a crowd of people you hit a child. Everyone makes mistakes. Live and let live.[/QUOTE] i didn't say it was acceptable point is that the news reporting on this conflict is full of bias, and the OP is painting it as being israelis being monsters as usual [QUOTE=Gentry;45681768]Its deliberate malice to use live ammunition on demonstrators[/QUOTE] yes of course it is however, it is also deliberate malice to spin the news
[QUOTE=Gentry;45681768]Its deliberate malice to use live ammunition on demonstrators[/QUOTE] It stops being a "demonstration" when you are participating in a "violent riot." Anyway, this is Ma'an News. No idea how it's not banned when it's just as bad, if not worse, than sources like RT. (Even though we all know why it's not a banned source)
[QUOTE=sgman91;45681800]It stops being a "demonstration" when you are participating in a "violent riot." Anyway, this is Ma'an News. No idea how it's not banned when it's just as bad, if not worse, than sources like RT.[/QUOTE] The IDF call everything "violent riots" where they end up shoot kids so... [editline]13th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperorconor;45681795]however, it is also deliberate malice to spin the news[/QUOTE] like in the IDF's spokesperson job description? If you're so bothered about news spinning why didn't you include this part in [B]your own[/B] news quote [quote]JERUSALEM, Aug 10 (Reuters) - Israeli soldiers killed a Palestinian boy during a confrontation with rock-throwing protesters in the occupied West Bank on Sunday, a relative who witnessed the incident said. Youssef al-Anati said his 11-year-old nephew, Khalil, was shot dead even though he was not taking part in the disturbances near the city of Hebron. The boy was taken to a local hospital, which said he had been hit in the back with a live bullet. "Khalil was standing outside and at a distance some kids were throwing stones at the Israeli army," Anati told Reuters. "Suddenly Khalil collapsed to the ground and we rushed to him; he was all covered in blood."[/quote] Rather than just handpicking out a IDF PR quote trying to handwash the situation where they shot a bunch of kids for throwing rocks (again x1204)
[QUOTE=Gentry;45681809]The IDF call everything "violent riots" where they end up shoot kids so...[/QUOTE] So... you take the word of Ma'an News as truth instead. Makes perfect sense.
I don't even know what Ma'an is, nor have I ever read it so...?
[QUOTE=Gentry;45681825]I don't even know what Ma'an is, nor have I ever read it so...?[/QUOTE] I'm literally laughing. You come into a thread totally ignorant, don't read the article posted in the OP, and have the audacity to tell people that they're wrong about the subject at hand.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45681831]I'm literally laughing. You come into a thread totally ignorant, don't read the article posted in the OP, and have the audacity to tell people their wrong about the subject at hand.[/QUOTE] No I read this news story on other news sites. Laugh more.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45681840]No I read this news story on other news sites. Laugh more.[/QUOTE] Care to post them? Using unnamed sources without even mentioning that you are isn't a great idea.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45681856]Care to post them? Using unnamed sources without even mentioning that you are isn't a great idea.[/QUOTE] What are you even talking about? How have I ~used them~ fuck one has already been posted by someone else get a grip you sissy
[QUOTE=Gentry;45681809]like in the IDF's spokesperson job description?[/quote] what? [quote]If you're so bothered about news spinning why didn't you include this part in your news quote[/QUOTE] i don't see what's being left out in both parts it is acknowledged that the boy was shot by israelis, while at the same time a group of protesters/rioters were having an engagement of some kind with the israelis in both parts it is acknowledged the boy was innocent
[QUOTE=sgman91;45681800] (Even though we all know why it's not a banned source)[/QUOTE] I don't.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45681871]what? i don't see what's being left out in both parts it is acknowledged that the boy was shot by israelis, while at the same time a group of protesters/rioters were having an engagement of some kind with the israelis in both parts it is acknowledged the boy was innocent[/QUOTE] A single round being fired hitting a kid in the back that wasn't even near the demonstration doesn't sound like stray fire that you tried to paint it as.
[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;45681876]I don't.[/QUOTE] The majority of FP, including a certain SH moderator, are anti-Israel. Ma'an News agrees with them. So they don't mind it.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45681889]The majority of FP, including a certain SH moderator, are anti-Israel. Ma'an News agrees with them. So they don't mind it.[/QUOTE] Most of the world is against what Israel does. Its called reality.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45681906]Most of the world is against what Israel does. Its called reality.[/QUOTE] And what you did is called a strawman. Hint: My post had nothing to do with whether people like Israel or not, but why a certain terrible source is allowed. Literally every person on earth might be anti-Israel and Ma'an News would still be a terrible source, it's irrelevant.
[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;45681876]I don't.[/QUOTE] the israel-palestine conflict often has notoriously bad reporting on both sides and communities are often deeply divided with strong opinions over it on this website, there are several individuals who don't so much as outright ban the opposition or force them underground, but rather produce a chilling effect on news reporting on the other side. some others meanwhile, consistently post their boring dull uninspired trite followed up by a source supporting their side i don't blame the mod team. since the culture of reporting around the conflict is so shit, it naturally disseminates down. when you have shit reporting everywhere, people very quickly bunker down into one side because they believe their garbage is closer to the truth this process will continue until palestine is finally absorbed into israel and maybe a few decades more
[QUOTE=sgman91;45681889]The majority of FP, including a certain SH moderator, are anti-Israel. Ma'an News agrees with them. So they don't mind it.[/QUOTE] Yes because anyone who criticizes Israel is Anti-Israel?
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;45681937]Yes because anyone who criticizes Israel is Anti-Israel?[/QUOTE] Another strawman, yay. Point to where I claimed that anyone who criticizes Israel is Anti-Israel.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45681880]A single round being fired hitting a kid in the back that wasn't even near the demonstration doesn't sound like stray fire that you tried to paint it as.[/QUOTE] there were two such "demonstrations/protests/riots/incidents", with the one nearby hebron and the other by the people throwing rocks at the soldiers the palestinian sources tell me that the soldiers fired on children without good cause, while the israeli ones tell me they were firing on protesters with good cause in either case i don't think this diminishes the crimes of israelis, but it certainly doesn't turn them into monsters that seek to kill palestinians [editline]13th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Gentry;45681906]Most of the world is against what Israel does. Its called reality.[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure this is a fallacy but i can't be arsed looking for it
[QUOTE=sgman91;45681945]Another strawman, yay. [B]Point[/B] to where I claimed that anyone who criticizes Israel is Anti-Israel.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The majority of FP, including a certain SH moderator, are anti-Israel.[/QUOTE] The only thing I've seen is people are criticizing what the IDF does to the Palestinians.
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;45681937]Yes because anyone who criticizes Israel is Anti-Israel?[/QUOTE] Nobody is. But the same straw goes to you people who claim that everyone supporting Israel are anti gaza. You're not much better yourself.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45681945]Another strawman, yay. Point to where I claimed that anyone who criticizes Israel is Anti-Israel.[/QUOTE] You claimed that the majority of people on here are anti-Israel, whereas, in reality, most people on here are against the right-winged isreali government, because of their gross misconduct in this conflict, including slaughtering civilians en masse and deliberately attacking emergency shelters.
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;45681991]The only thing I've seen is people are criticizing what the IDF does to the Palestinians.[/QUOTE] We'll have to agree to disagree on that point. The mass of people saying that Israel is attempting to commit genocide on the Palestinians, the people reading and taking sources like Ma'an News at face value, etc. all point to an ideological dislike of Israel, not a factual dislike. I just noticed that Starpluck banned someone for using a pro Zionist news source in another thread... oh the irony. ([url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1417524[/url])
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