It's summer again; Islamic Jihad/Hamas fires rockets at Israel
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[URL="http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/72619-150526-breaking-number-of-rockets-fired-at-southern-israel-from-gaza"]http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/72619-150526-breaking-number-of-rockets-fired-at-southern-israel-from-gaza[/URL]
[QUOTE]The Israeli Air Force struck a number of targets in the southern Gaza Strip early Wednesday morning, hours after a medium-range rocket fired from the Hams-ruled coastal enclave fell in a southern Israeli community.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"Israel has no intention of ignoring fire at its citizens," Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon said in a statement issued after the bombing. "We see Hamas responsible for what is happening in the Gaza Strip... if there is no quiet in Israel, Gaza will pay a very high price."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]According to The Times of Israel, a source in Gaza said the firing was the result of an internal dispute inside the Islamic Jihad terror group, which has included kidnappings of people in northern Gaza. The source said Islamic Jihad recently appointed a new commander to oversee the northern region of the coastal enclave. The new commander was supposed to start his new position today officially, but his predecessor opposed it, sparking clashes between the two commanders’ supporters.[/QUOTE]
watch as Israel drops a nuke on an orphanage or something and call it retribution, i wish Israel would just disappear
[QUOTE=Showgun;47820206]watch as Israel drops a nuke on an orphanage or something and call it retribution, i wish Israel would just disappear[/QUOTE]
Hamas shot first
Can't really blame Israel for this one.
[QUOTE=Showgun;47820206]watch as they drop a nuke on an orphanage or something and call it retribution, i wish Israel would just disappear[/QUOTE]
Well, to be factually correct, the orphanage would first be confirmed to be storing weapons by an informant. After that, the IDF would call the orphanage and tell them to leave because they are going to bomb the orphanage. The people inside the orphanage still refuse to leave so the IDF uses bombs that do almost no damage but are very loud and scary. When the people inside don't leave, then the IDF either aborts the airstrike or goes ahead with the airstrike.
[editline]27th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=DJrorok;47820221]Hamas shot first
Can't really blame Israel for this one.[/QUOTE]
It's probably not even Hamas. From what I understand, you have to be given permission to fire rockets unless there is an 'open season' like what happened last summer.
[QUOTE=Showgun;47820206]watch as Israel drops a nuke on an orphanage or something and call it retribution, i wish Israel would just disappear[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DJrorok;47820221]Hamas shot first
Can't really blame Israel for this one.[/QUOTE]
i know i'm not defending Hamas or anything but if its like what happened here Israels going to kill far more
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[QUOTE=X12321;47820268][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Rnl5GTZ.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
This comic gets both the damage and the media narrative completely opposite from what happens in reality
It seems like while the US space program gets a budget cut yearly the Hamas space program is still being strongly funded
[QUOTE=Showgun;47820289]i know i'm not defending Hamas or anything but if its like what happened here Israels going to kill far more[/QUOTE]
That's a defective rocket in the picture. There's almost no QA for rockets. A properly working rocket does this damage:
[IMG]https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/Sderot/Sderot11.jpg[/IMG]
Doesn't look like much but multiply it by a lot of cheaply made rockets with the support of Iran and it adds up.
[editline]27th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47820301]This comic gets both the damage and the media narrative completely opposite from what happens in reality[/QUOTE]
um not true? Look at CBC's coverage of the synagogue massacre where 2 Palestinians slaughtered 3 Jews at prayer and a Druze policeman. The Palestinians were killed by police. CBC's headline was
[IMG]http://honestreporting.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/cbcnews181114.jpg[/IMG]
Thank god we gave Israel the Iron Dome system. Without it, the casualties on the Israeli side would be about as high as the Palestinian side when Israel does an offensive in Palestine.
[QUOTE=X12321;47820268][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Rnl5GTZ.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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And this is why you never use Political Comics to backup your side of discussion. Ever.
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um not true? Look at CBC's coverage of the synagogue massacre where 2 Palestinians slaughtered 3 Jews at prayer and a Druze policeman. The Palestinians were killed by police. CBC's headline was
[IMG]http://honestreporting.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/cbcnews181114.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That's a Twitter post. The actual headline on their website when you type in the URL:
"Jerusalem synagogue attack kills 5; Canadian-Israeli citizen among wounded"
So, you know, exact opposite of what you're trying to say.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47820434]That's a Twitter post. The actual headline on their website:
"Jerusalem synagogue attack kills 5; Canadian-Israeli citizen among wounded"[/QUOTE]
they changed it after Jewish and Israeli leaders complained.
[QUOTE=X12321;47820268][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Rnl5GTZ.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Except that Israel does equally as much provocation and has a history of asymmetrical retribution.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;47820325]That's a defective rocket in the picture.[/QUOTE]
oh sorry i didn't know, i'm very confused now sorry for the dumb posts? :S
[QUOTE=gufu;47820424][img]http://i.imgur.com/yIMrPG5.png[/img]
And this is why you never use Political Comics to backup your side of discussion. Ever.[/QUOTE]
ebin maymays always beat stupid comics :^)
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47820301]This comic gets both the damage and the media narrative completely opposite from what happens in reality[/QUOTE]
Oh, so because Israel is technologically superior they must lower their military technology to Hamas' level to fight them? Yea right.
[QUOTE=download;47820446]Oh, so because Israel is technologically superior they must lower their military technology to Hamas' level to fight them? Yea right.[/QUOTE]
That isn't at all what he said and you know it.
Every time some idiot launches a rocket towards Israel the entirety of the gaza strip suffer the consequences.
No one's asking Israel not to defend themselves but at the very least they could stop committing so many war crimes.
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;47820520]That isn't at all what he said and you know it.
Every time some idiot launches a rocket towards Israel the entirety of the gaza strip suffer the consequences.
No one's asking Israel not to defend themselves but at the very least they could stop committing so many war crimes.[/QUOTE]
What else can Israel do? A nation is obligated to defend herself and her citizens.
[QUOTE=download;47820446]Oh, so because Israel is technologically superior they must lower their military technology to Hamas' level to fight them? Yea right.[/QUOTE]
Israel doesn't have to bomb entire apartment blocks, invade an separate state, recklessly shoot and shoot at civilians, use banned chemical weapons, and randomly make sure their enemies are paying attention by occasionally plunging a bomb into a family home to maybe kill a guy they're pretty sure is a terrorist. Greater technological advantage should make Israel more precise, instead Israel uses brute strength and borderline terror tactics to maintain its will on people that are politically and militarily subordinate to it. To say that Hamas does more damage than Israel, or is more capable than Israel, is incorrect. Hamas is an organization with a shitty goal and goes about its methods in a despicable way, but Israel should not be responding in other shitty ways for other despicable means. Hamas fires rockets, mortars, and Qassams- more or less light artillery. Israel responds with far larger bombs, bunker busters, the occasional white phosphorous, and ground invasions. Hezbollah were more of a threat with their Katyushas than Hamas is to Israel. Israel enacts disproportionate responses, there is no excuse for the superior and more technologically advanced power to kill as many as they do.
2014 invasion:
Is: 66 soldiers, 6 civilians killed
Ga: between 2157-2310 killed, 50-70% civilian
2008 war:
Is: 13 soldiers (4 from friendly fire), 3 civilians killed
Ga: between 1166-1417 killed, of them between 491 and 759 civilians
2008 Operation Hot Winter:
Is: 3 killed, 1 civilian
Ga: 112 killed, 52 were civilians
2006 Operation Autumn Clouds:
Is: 1 killed, 3 civilians wounded
Ga: 38 militants, 15 civilians killed, 200 wounded
2006 Operation Summer Rain:
Is: 7 killed (5 soldiers, 2 civilians)
Ha: 402 killed (277 militants, 117 civilians, 6 police, 2 guards)
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47820564']Israel doesn't have to bomb entire apartment blocks, invade an separate state, recklessly shoot and shoot at civilians, use banned chemical weapons, and randomly make sure their enemies are paying attention by occasionally plunging a bomb into a family home to maybe kill a guy they're pretty sure is a terrorist. Greater technological advantage should make Israel more precise, instead Israel uses brute strength and borderline terror tactics to maintain its will on people that are politically and militarily subordinate to it. To say that Hamas does more damage than Israel, or is more capable than Israel, is incorrect. Hamas is an organization with a shitty goal and goes about its methods in a despicable way, but Israel should not be responding in other shitty ways for other despicable means. Hamas fires rockets, mortars, and Qassams- more or less light artillery. Israel responds with far larger bombs, bunker busters, the occasional white phosphorous, and ground invasions. Hezbollah were more of a threat with their Katyushas than Hamas is to Israel. Israel enacts disproportionate responses, there is no excuse for the superior and more technologically advanced power to kill as many as they do.
2014 invasion:
Is: 66 soldiers, 6 civilians killed
Ga: between 2157-2310 killed, 50-70% civilian
2008 war:
Is: 13 soldiers (4 from friendly fire), 3 civilians killed
Ga: between 1166-1417 killed, of them between 491 and 759 civilians
2008 Operation Hot Winter:
Is: 3 killed, 1 civilian
Ga: 112 killed, 52 were civilians
2006 Operation Autumn Clouds:
Is: 1 killed, 3 civilians wounded
Ga: 38 militants, 15 civilians killed, 200 wounded
2006 Operation Summer Rain:
Is: 7 killed (5 soldiers, 2 civilians)
Ha: 402 killed (277 militants, 117 civilians, 6 police, 2 guards)[/QUOTE]
The thing is that Hamas is the one reporting the deaths. They inflate the numbers. For example, last year they put in a dead 'militant''s name in the civilian child casualty list.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;47820438]they changed it after Jewish and Israeli leaders complained.[/QUOTE]
I can find no mention of a change to the article's headline. The only correction mentioned is to the name of one of the people mentioned.
In the past when CBC headlines changed the URL didn't. Do you have an old screenshot of the page?
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47820564']Israel doesn't have to bomb entire apartment blocks, invade an separate state[/quote]
They have to do one or the other. Ground troops in Gaza would probably reduce casulties. Either way, Israel does their bet to reduce civilian casualties through phone calls and roof-knockers.
Also, if Gaza doesn't want to be invaded then they should stop firing rockets at Israel. It's simple stuff.
[quote]recklessly shoot and shoot at civilians [/quote]
Citation needed
[quote]use banned chemical weapons[/quote]
Israel is a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention that bans the use of chemical weapons. If they were using chemicals weapons it would have been all over the news.
[quote]and randomly make sure their enemies are paying attention by occasionally plunging a bomb into a family home to maybe kill a guy they're pretty sure is a terrorist.[/quote]
Pretty much every nation involved in Iraq and Afghanistan does this.
[quote]Greater technological advantage should make Israel more precise, instead Israel uses brute strength and borderline terror tactics to maintain its will on people that are politically and militarily subordinate to it.[/quote]
If Israel was using brute strength they would be undertaking strategic bombing and completely leveling Gaza. They have the power without even resorting to their nuclear arsenal to do so.
Instead, Israel uses laser and GPS guided bombs to drop them on missile launch sites and munitions depots, both of which contrary to the Geneva Convention are usual stored or launched from schools, religious buildings and hospitals. They nearly always give forewarning both by phone and with roof-knockers.
[quote]To say that Hamas does more damage than Israel, or is more capable than Israel, is incorrect. Hamas is an organization with a shitty goal and goes about its methods in a despicable way, but Israel should not be responding in other shitty ways for other despicable means. Hamas fires rockets, mortars, and Qassams- more or less light artillery. Israel responds with far larger bombs, bunker busters, the occasional white phosphorous, and ground invasions. Hezbollah were more of a threat with their Katyushas than Hamas is to Israel. Israel enacts disproportionate responses, there is no excuse for the superior and more technologically advanced power to kill as many as they do.[/quote]
I never said that Hamas does more damage to Israel than Israel does to Hamas. What I will say though is that disproportionate response has been the mainstay of military responses for a very long time and is used by Western militaries to this day.
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2014 invasion:
Is: 66 soldiers, 6 civilians killed
Ga: between 2157-2310 killed, 50-70% civilian
2008 war:
Is: 13 soldiers (4 from friendly fire), 3 civilians killed
Ga: between 1166-1417 killed, of them between 491 and 759 civilians
2008 Operation Hot Winter:
Is: 3 killed, 1 civilian
Ga: 112 killed, 52 were civilians
2006 Operation Autumn Clouds:
Is: 1 killed, 3 civilians wounded
Ga: 38 militants, 15 civilians killed, 200 wounded
2006 Operation Summer Rain:
Is: 7 killed (5 soldiers, 2 civilians)
Ha: 402 killed (277 militants, 117 civilians, 6 police, 2 guards)[/QUOTE]
It's pretty easy when you're an irregular force fighting a regular force to fudge the civilian/militant casualty ratio. All you have to do is take that AK off the dead body, take a photo of the body and then send it to a Western news channel where they'll spread it as an other innocent civilian killed by those brutal Israelis.
I have no doubt civilians were killed but I'm certain the numbers were much lower than stated.
The biggest problem here is once again someone has condemned the Israelis without offering an alternative solution. What the Hell should Israel be doing if not defending themselves from attack?
[QUOTE=download;47820446]Oh, so because Israel is technologically superior they must lower their military technology to Hamas' level to fight them? Yea right.[/QUOTE]
They should try to at least follow international laws (which they don't) if they want to maintain the moral high ground. I don't see Hamas using chemical weapons.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47820810]They should try to at least follow international laws (which they don't) if they want to maintain the moral high ground. I don't see Hamas using chemical weapons.[/QUOTE]
I don't see Israel using them either. Hell if Hamas had chem weapons they wouldn't hesitate in using them
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;47820823]??????
I don't understand your point at all?[/QUOTE]
common thing in the LMAO pics thread when someone posts a political comic
[editline]27th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47820785]I can find no mention of a change to the article's headline. The only correction mentioned is to the name of one of the people mentioned.
In the past when CBC headlines changed the URL didn't. Do you have an old screenshot of the page?[/QUOTE]
My bad, turns out it was CNN. Also, CNN said the attack was on a mosque instead of a shul.
[URL="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/187614"]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/187614[/URL]
[QUOTE]One particularly embarrassing, headline aired shortly after the story broke, read "Deadly Attack on Jerusalem Mosque," while another seemed to play down the role of the "2 Palestinians" (i.e. terrorists) who were killed by police by equating their death with those of their victims, blandly proclaiming: "4 Israelis, 2 Palestinians Dead in Jerusalem."
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[QUOTE=itisjuly;47820826]I don't see Israel using them either.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/21/1232561961477/White-Phosphorus-001.jpg[/img]
yeah they totally didn't shell hospitals with them live on TV :downs:
[QUOTE=Svinnik;47820768]The thing is that Hamas is the one reporting the deaths. They inflate the numbers. For example, last year they put in a dead 'militant''s name in the civilian child casualty list.[/QUOTE]
The numbers I presented were a range, excluding IDF figures in one instance singe they were pretty ludicrously low relatively, that included figures from international observers. Hamas is typically on the high side, IDF on the low, and international and nuetral observer in-between.
i.e. the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs put the 2014 war casualty rate for Gazans at 2,220, only 90 less than Hamas's health ministry.
In the 2008 war, the difference between the Palestinian Center for Human Rights's and the Israeli NGO B'Tselem's totals is only 26.
Hot Summer's figures are in the BBC, sited as from "medical sources".
Summer Rain's figures are from B'Tselem.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;47820858][img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/21/1232561961477/White-Phosphorus-001.jpg[/img]
yeah they totally didn't shell hospitals with them live on TV :downs:[/QUOTE]
White Phosphorus is an incendiary weapon, not a chemical weapon. Also that's not a hospital.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;47820858][img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/21/1232561961477/White-Phosphorus-001.jpg[/img]
yeah they totally didn't shell hospitals with them live on TV :downs:[/QUOTE]
I don't think white phosphorus is technically a chemical weapon.
Jpost here so it's biased but:
[URL="http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Britains-iObserveri-issues-correction-Israel-did-not-use-chemical-weapons-In-Gaza-325529"]http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Britains-iObserveri-issues-correction-Israel-did-not-use-chemical-weapons-In-Gaza-325529[/URL]
[QUOTE]“Contrary to the impression given in ‘Assad is a war criminal, but an attack will do nothing for the people of Syria’ (Comment, last week, page 34), white phosphorus, used by Israeli forces in Gaza in 2008, is not a chemical weapon as understood by the Chemical Weapons Convention, and its use is in itself not ‘in breach of all international conventions,’” the paper noted.
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