• There's Not Enough Work For Veterinarians
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[QUOTE][IMG]http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/08/26/vet_wide-8f0cb9bf18faab7ea601c720767b65d72cec5bce-s40-c85.jpg[/IMG] [I]There are way more veterinarians than there is work for them to do, according to a recent survey by the American Veterinary Medical Association.[/I][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]There are way more veterinarians than there is work for them to do, according to a recent survey by the American Veterinary Medical Association, as the nation's veterinary schools continue to crank out graduates. A report from the American Veterinary Medical Association estimates the supply exceeds the demand by the equivalent of 11,250 full-time vets. [B]...[/B][/QUOTE] More info in the article here: [url]http://www.npr.org/2013/08/26/215795012/not-enough-work-for-veterinarians[/url]
Well gee maybe they ought to let these guys serve as parasurgeons as they did in previous times. If I had minor injuries requiring immediate attention I would damn sure go see a vet over an emergency room if it were both legal and cheaper. 2500 bucks for some stitches is ridiculous (yes, I needed like three stitches and got billed 2500 because it required immediate attention -- doctor's offices will tell you to go to the emergency room and deny service, they're owned by the local medical monopoly that owns the hospitals. If I had known the cost I would have cauterized the wound myself and risked losing stuff. 1 finger beats an arm and a leg any day of the week.)
It may have something to do with people not having a lot of expendable cash these days and vet bills being ridiculously expensive. I remember, a year or so ago, my dog got a cut on her paw that become infected. Nothing serious, just needed antibiotics and a wrap. The visit to the vet, in order for them to tell me just that, cost $400.
Not to mention every single fucking girl I ever went to school with had a dream of becoming a Vet or a Nurse and no one ever told them it was an over saturated job market. Literally every single woman I know is going to school to be a nurse or a vet and the fact of the matter is we barely have work to employ the ones already looking for jobs. Especially Vets since bringing an animal to the Vet is optional, especially if it's costly whereas people, if injured have no choice.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;41981849]Not to mention every single fucking girl I ever went to school with had a dream of becoming a Vet or a Nurse and no one ever told them it was an over saturated job market. Literally every single woman I know is going to school to be a nurse or a vet and the fact of the matter is we barely have work to employ the ones already looking for jobs. Especially Vets since bringing an animal to the Vet is optional, especially if it's costly whereas people, if injured have no choice.[/QUOTE] Male nurses are a different story, I'm going to be a male nurse and I can get grants just for going into a woman dominated field. They need strong people who are able to lift all these obese Americans around, my step mom was a cardiologist/radiologist which meant most of her patients were 300+ pounds
[QUOTE=Irkalla;41981688]Well gee maybe they ought to let these guys serve as parasurgeons as they did in previous times. If I had minor injuries requiring immediate attention I would damn sure go see a vet over an emergency room if it were both legal and cheaper. 2500 bucks for some stitches is ridiculous (yes, I needed like three stitches and got billed 2500 because it required immediate attention -- doctor's offices will tell you to go to the emergency room and deny service, they're owned by the local medical monopoly that owns the hospitals. If I had known the cost I would have cauterized the wound myself and risked losing stuff. 1 finger beats an arm and a leg any day of the week.)[/QUOTE] Canada is great.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41982202]Canada is great.[/QUOTE] So is vast majority of Europe. You should try this obligatory medical insurance stuff, guys, it's pretty great.
This is only in America, right? I have been wanting to be a Vet since I was a kid and I'm starting this year to study for it. This makes me fell worried.
I recently had to put my dog down to Lymphoma (Cancer of the lymph nodes) and it's cost us £400 and alot of heart ache. Vets are no better in the uk.
Now, more than ever, we need to take it to the vets.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;41981688]Well gee maybe they ought to let these guys serve as parasurgeons as they did in previous times. If I had minor injuries requiring immediate attention I would damn sure go see a vet over an emergency room if it were both legal and cheaper. 2500 bucks for some stitches is ridiculous (yes, I needed like three stitches and got billed 2500 because it required immediate attention -- doctor's offices will tell you to go to the emergency room and deny service, they're owned by the local medical monopoly that owns the hospitals. If I had known the cost I would have cauterized the wound myself and risked losing stuff. 1 finger beats an arm and a leg any day of the week.)[/QUOTE] Lmao how anyone thinks that kind of cost is justifiable is beyond me and you've still got retards in your country that argue socialized healthcare is a terrible thing. I'm so glad I can actually go to the hospital when I need treatment, not "shit do I have enough cash to cover this, nope, oh well Ill just let it take care of itself"
I'd gladly pay the $400 to stop my dog from suffering from cancer or what have you. Our dog had a seizure, and that's when we knew it was time. He couldn't get up by himself, he usually pooped and peed on the floor, and needed to be carried up stairs. I personally believe Vets need to charge high prices for the service they provide. Being a medical expert in animals is something that you don't find in the common person.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;41981688]Well gee maybe they ought to let these guys serve as parasurgeons as they did in previous times. If I had minor injuries requiring immediate attention I would damn sure go see a vet over an emergency room if it were both legal and cheaper. 2500 bucks for some stitches is ridiculous (yes, I needed like three stitches and got billed 2500 because it required immediate attention -- doctor's offices will tell you to go to the emergency room and deny service, they're owned by the local medical monopoly that owns the hospitals. If I had known the cost I would have cauterized the wound myself and risked losing stuff. 1 finger beats an arm and a leg any day of the week.)[/QUOTE] This is disgusting. Everything hospital and doctors related is free here. My brother fell ill during a trip in the US, we called a doctor, he came, examined him for 2 minutes, gave him pills then asked for 600$.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41982881]I recently had to put my dog down to Lymphoma (Cancer of the lymph nodes) and it's cost us £400 and alot of heart ache. Vets are no better in the uk.[/QUOTE] You got ripped off. Most places charge roughly £30-£40 tops to put an animal to sleep here.
Vets have ridiculous prices, I do some animal rehabilitation and I have to do all the treatment myself because vets charge a ton just for check ups. If they made prices more reasonable they would get more customers. Also people are misinformed on what it means to be a vet, leading to it being one of the fields of study most associated with depression; [url=http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/pets/2010-04-02-dolittler02_ST_N.htm]veterinarians are four times as likely to commit suicide than the average person[/url].
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;41983076]You got ripped off. Most places charge roughly £30-£40 tops to put an animal to sleep here.[/QUOTE] There are more costs than that, they have to pay the environment agency a chunk of money as well. Also most of the cost comes from people having their dog cremated and returned to them.
[QUOTE=redBadger;41982914]I'd gladly pay the $400 to stop my dog from suffering from cancer or what have you. Our dog had a seizure, and that's when we knew it was time. He couldn't get up by himself, he usually pooped and peed on the floor, and needed to be carried up stairs. [B] I personally believe Vets need to charge high prices for the service they provide. Being a medical expert in animals is something that you don't find in the common person.[/B][/QUOTE] It says in the op that there are 11.250 more full time vets than that there is actually work for them to do.
I had a lengthy "internship" with a local veterinarian before I started University. I didn't get paid for the work, voluntarily, as this guy undercharged people as often as he possibly could. He was in his early 70s, and had been pretty well off in life. Enough so that he'd offered to cover most, if not all of treatment costs in some severe cases for some of his recurring patients. A few weeks before I left, he shelled out almost a grand so that this one guy didn't have to put down his Mastiff. He was a hell of a guy. I asked him how he managed to stay together, having to deal with animals in bad health on a regular basis (after I had seen him put down an English Terrier that had heart problems, with the owner petting him and crying, which caused me to cry like a child at the back of the room,) and his reply was "I don't stay together. Some get used to it, but I never did." :( I have a soft spot for Vets.
[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;41983473]I had a lengthy "internship" with a local veterinarian before I started University. I didn't get paid for the work, voluntarily, as this guy undercharged people as often as he possibly could. He was in his early 70s, and had been pretty well off in life. Enough so that he'd offered to cover most, if not all of treatment costs in some severe cases for some of his recurring patients. A few weeks before I left, he shelled out almost a grand so that this one guy didn't have to put down his Mastiff. He was a hell of a guy. I asked him how he managed to stay together, having to deal with animals in bad health on a regular basis (after I had seen him put down an English Terrier that had heart problems, with the owner petting him and crying, which caused me to cry like a child at the back of the room,) and his reply was "I don't stay together. Some get used to it, but I never did." :( I have a soft spot for Vets.[/QUOTE] Reminds me of the worst part of being an oncologist.
I don't like that picture in the OP. :( I'm taking my oldest golden retriever to the vet on Sept 6 because her health is starting to fail lately, she keeps twitching and shaking, biting off all her hair, white slime droops from her ass. My parents don't want to see her put down but I'd rather do that then see her live her last few years in pain.
maybe if they started charging reasonable prices they wouldn't be ''out of work''. the average pet owner literally cannot afford a visit to the vet.
If everyone maimed a small animal each day, we'd create thousands of new jobs.
They should go to a shelter some time, definitely a whole fuckton of work to be done at those.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41982235]So is vast majority of Europe. You should try this obligatory medical insurance stuff, guys, it's pretty great.[/QUOTE] I more prefer the japanese model of non-profit hospitals. I'm thinking of becoming a politician just to dismantle the insurance-healthcare complex. Get rid of insurance, get rid of the artificial inflation. This is one instance in which a truly free market would make them bleed like a pig. Health insurance being a thing just incentivises healthcare providers to charge exorbitant rates -- the insurance company will pay it, and the cost will still come out of the customers' pockets through a much more obscure method: Premiums. Abolish health insurance and make health care a non-profit venture, and the doctors will get hungry enough to lower their prices.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;41981688]Well gee maybe they ought to let these guys serve as parasurgeons as they did in previous times. If I had minor injuries requiring immediate attention I would damn sure go see a vet over an emergency room if it were both legal and cheaper. 2500 bucks for some stitches is ridiculous (yes, I needed like three stitches and got billed 2500 because it required immediate attention -- doctor's offices will tell you to go to the emergency room and deny service, they're owned by the local medical monopoly that owns the hospitals. If I had known the cost I would have cauterized the wound myself and risked losing stuff. 1 finger beats an arm and a leg any day of the week.)[/QUOTE] Wow, is it really that bad over there? When I had a head injury I got stitched up immediately and didn't pay a dime.
Maybe less people will become Veterinarians and actually become doctors for humans. This also doesn't seem to be driving costs down...
I also heard somewhere that veterinarians have among the highest suicide rates of any profession (apart from, like, suicide bombers), because they spend most of their time just putting animals "to sleep".
[QUOTE=Irkalla;41984306]I more prefer the japanese model of non-profit hospitals. I'm thinking of becoming a politician just to dismantle the insurance-healthcare complex. Get rid of insurance, get rid of the artificial inflation. This is one instance in which a truly free market would make them bleed like a pig. Health insurance being a thing just incentivises healthcare providers to charge exorbitant rates -- the insurance company will pay it, and the cost will still come out of the customers' pockets through a much more obscure method: Premiums. Abolish health insurance and make health care a non-profit venture, and the doctors will get hungry enough to lower their prices.[/QUOTE] That's the talk of a godless commie!
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41985934]Maybe less people will become Veterinarians and actually become doctors for humans. This also doesn't seem to be driving costs down...[/QUOTE] Until you actually realize the requirement of becoming a doctor is either to : sacrifice everything akin to social life in studies to have a SMALL chance an university takes your ass and pays for your tution, or well your family is made of lawyers and doctors and you get a free pass everywhere.
[QUOTE=Feuver;41990498]Until you actually realize the requirement of becoming a doctor is either to : sacrifice everything akin to social life in studies to have a SMALL chance an university takes your ass and pays for your tution, or well your family is made of lawyers and doctors and you get a free pass everywhere.[/QUOTE] You know, there are schools outside North America that are cheap and you can get medical degrees. Of course then you have to take other tests to make sure you can cut it. Also state medical schools are pretty damn cheap as well, considering that you'll probably be paying back your debt in about 2 to 3 years once you're out of school and you play it smart. Its one of those jobs where you'll pretty much always find employment. Also, they try to make you go out and volunteer and socialize and stuff, at least in the states. As an example of the opposite, literally all my mom did during med school in the Philippines was go to class, study, eat, shower, sleep. In that order. But you should want to help people, not just be in it for cash (which seems to be how it is for a some native born doctors unfortunately). Otherwise you're a shit doctor. Also fun fact, had to go to an emergency room in Canada once, they were going to charge me $1000 before I even got to see a doctor since I had no health insurance. I was like lol no. US emergency rooms aren't that great either for cost or time as well. The pediatric office I worked in actually tries to see patients that want to go to the emergency room first to try to solve their issues because everybody in medicine knows how backed up and expensive those places are.
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