UK: Brexit deal not reached by deadline, DUP seemingly to blame - Polidicks

[quote] [B]The UK has failed to reach an agreement with the EU to move to the next stage of Brexit talks, Theresa May has said. [/B] The prime minister said progress had been made but differences remain on a "couple of issues". She said talks would reconvene "before the end of the week" and she was "confident we will conclude this positively". She was speaking at a joint press conference with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker. The PM is attempting to finalise the deal ahead of a summit in 10 days' time. But the DUP, which has a deal with the Conservatives to keep Mrs May in power at Westminster, warned it would not back any agreement which threatened the territorial integrity of the UK. [/quote] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42217735"]BBC news.[/URL] This was supposed to be the big important deadline before Wednesday, as the deal needed to be in place well before the EU leader's summit so that proper preparations could be made. Now Theresa May is effectively planning on handing her homework in at the last possible moment. The word from the BBC's political correspondent, describing the DUP's involvement; [media]https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/937718845573394432[/media] tl;dr everything's still fucked

Doesn't necessarily mean failure. [URL="https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1204/924815-single-market-eu-negotiations/"]https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1204/924815-single-market-eu-negotiations/[/URL] [QUOTE]European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has said it was not possible to reach agreement on Brexit negotiations today. Mr Juncker was speaking in Brussels following a meeting with British Prime Minister Theresa May. He said that despite significant progress it was not possible to reach a complete deal and there are two or three open issues. [B]However, Mr Juncker said this did not amount to a failure and he remains confident that significant progress can be reached before a summit scheduled to take place on 14 and 15 December.[/B][/QUOTE] Basically, what needs to happen now is that NI people need to tell the DUP to [I]stop fucking up jesus christ please.[/I]

well maybe the tories shouldn't have formed a coalition government with a party that disagree with them on a variety of important issues for the sole purpose of clinging to power who could possibly have seen this coming

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52946117]Doesn't necessarily mean failure. [URL="https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1204/924815-single-market-eu-negotiations/"]https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1204/924815-single-market-eu-negotiations/[/URL] Basically, what needs to happen now is that NI people need to tell the DUP to [I]stop fucking up jesus christ please.[/I][/QUOTE] The problem is that the UK as a whole can't have open borders with the EU, because the brexiteers in government and the pro-brexit public wouldn't stand for it. So if Northern Ireland stays effectively as part of the customs union with an open border, there would have to be some form of border control between NI and the mainland, which will go down like a lead balloon with the Unionists. For a lot of unionists, this is the DUP protecting their interests. I can't see how May can come out of this without pissing one side or the other off...

So that's it huh, we're just some kind of coalition of chaos

[QUOTE=Scot;52946204]well maybe the tories shouldn't have formed a coalition government with a party that disagree with them on a variety of important issues for the sole purpose of clinging to power who could possibly have seen this coming[/QUOTE] And conceed that they were not capable of governing? You sir are mad

Funnily enough, if May hadn't gone for an election in the first place to get a little bit more power then this problem wouldn't exist. She'd have been able to push the deal through no problem, albeit still pissing off many unionists - just not in a government-collapsing fashion. This entire gridlock is entirely of her own doing.

[QUOTE=Scot;52946204]well maybe the tories shouldn't have formed a coalition government with a party that disagree with them on a variety of important issues for the sole purpose of clinging to power who could possibly have seen this coming[/QUOTE] If we're talking local FP context it's probably easier to just list people who didn't/willfully ignored to see this coming tbh. Seriously though I'm honestly not surprised that it's a cluster fuck, bad decisions made solely on clinging to power by an incompetent government sure has led to historically great results, I mean just look at every other example of a government in history who played the same cards to keep claim to power..

[QUOTE=Jcorp;52946244]Funnily enough, if May hadn't gone for an election in the first place to get a little bit more power then this problem wouldn't exist. She'd have been able to push the deal through no problem, albeit still pissing off many unionists - just not in a government-collapsing fashion. This entire gridlock is entirely of her own doing.[/QUOTE] I'm surprised she never stepped down or was removed by her own party. Losing your majority in an election that you called seems like it would be a political death sentence.

[QUOTE=Jcorp;52946244]Funnily enough, if May hadn't gone for an election in the first place to get a little bit more power then this problem wouldn't exist. She'd have been able to push the deal through no problem, albeit still pissing off many unionists - just not in a government-collapsing fashion. This entire gridlock is entirely of her own doing.[/QUOTE] Or even if she hadn't basically thrown the election. That performance either had to be intentional, or had such a high level of incompetence that I could hardly believe exists.

2017 is just one long, drawn-out Curb Your Enthusiasm theme that gets more distorted each time something fucks up like this

I'd love for this to go down just like when many TDs returned home for Christmas in 1921 to their constituents while the Anglo-Irish treaty was being discussed in the Dail. There were many anti-Treaty TDs that became pro-Treaty TDs when they found that their constituants did not want to return to war with Britain and wanted to accept the Treaty - which while "not the ultimate freedom that all nations desire and develop to, but the freedom to achieve it" - as said by Michael Collins, who was proven correct a mere 30 years later. ... of [I]course[/I] after the Agreement was signed there was soon a Civil War afterwards that killed Michael Collins and a bunch of other young Irish leaders and led to many, many shitty things for forty years. im not sure where i was going with this.

I also find it hilarious that the DUP's excuse is that they want to keep NI "economically and politically the same as the rest of the UK" funny then that the rest of the UK has accepted gay marriage and yet the DUP are staunchly against it :thinking:

May getting bitten in the arse over her failed attempt at a power grab earlier this year would be hilarious if it wasnt for the fact that it's everyone else whos going to be feeling the consequences of her hubris.

[QUOTE=Scot;52946204]well maybe the tories shouldn't have formed a coalition government with a party that disagree with them on a variety of important issues for the sole purpose of clinging to power who could possibly have seen this coming[/QUOTE] The issue is that it is not actually a coalition government - It's a confidence and supply relationship, something far more tenuous. Without DUP involved, May loses her majority, so the DUP essentially have a huge, huge amount of power right now. I even potentially see a confidence and supply arrangement with the Lib Dems on the cards, but that is highly unlikely due to their stance on Brexit and that, arguably, the Lib Dems are the left wing party more so than Labour, although that is not currently true for Corbyn, even if it is for his MPs, in fairness.

Lol, May had already scheduled a big speech to talk about the great deal they just reached, RIP [media]https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/937763682997755904[/media]

Gotta love this strong and stable government. Plus who didn't see the DUP going to fuck up the Tories like this, it was pretty much expected as soon as they mentioned teaming up.

Thanks, Theresa Mayhem.

It's like when a cheater gets banned and they insist to the bitter end that they didn't cheat. The UK government and brexit is the same, they themselves know brexit is shit, they know they're better off cancelling it, but they still do everything they can do pull it off just to keep their "pride".

[URL="https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1204/924743-brexit/"]https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1204/924743-brexit/[/URL] [QUOTE]The Taoiseach has said he is "surprised and disappointed" after the British government failed to reach agreement in talks relating to the border on the island of Ireland today. Leo Varadkar said that the Government received confirmation from European Union negotiators that agreement had been reached with the British government. However, he said it is evident that things broke down during lunch in Brussels between British Prime Minister Theresa May and European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker. Mr Varadkar said the Irish position in the talks is unequivocal, and the EU has confirmed that their position reflects this - there can be no hard border between Ireland and the UK. Speaking at a press conference, Mr Varadkar said he hopes an agreement can be concluded in coming days. [B]He said Ireland cannot progress to Phase Two of Brexit negotiations unless there are guarantees that a border will not re-emerge "under any circumstances."[/B][/QUOTE] Ten days to doomsday, I suppose.

I made the horrible mistake of reading the BBC HYS comments about this whilst waiting for something to run at work. The sheer number of badly spelled, badly structured posts that basically amount to "good leave now don't pay them wto now" (honestly even that grammar is more polished than some of those posts) is fucking concerning. Do they not understand that just bailing on the EU and not paying out debts will makes us lepers to the rest of the world? We'd be wholly untrustworthy as nobody would have faith we'd settle our accounts correctly again after a stunt like that. Even if we did sign on to the WTO we'd still get given some evil fucking glances for a while. Then again these are the same people who insist the WTO doesn't require us to make any legal changes and lets us trade however we want. Yeah, I'm sure ignoring the numerous agreements the WTO imposes on things like exports and tariffs would go down well.

billion quid well spent lads

[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;52946725]billion quid well spent lads[/QUOTE] Why don't we take the 250m * 4 we send to NI and spend it on the NHS? Let's call it NIXIT. Also this is completely fucked. We're fucked.

[media]https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/937960558170689537[/media]

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52948304][media]https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/937960558170689537[/media][/QUOTE] I am starting to like shrEd Milliband.

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52948304][media]https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/937960558170689537[/media][/QUOTE] Where was this guy in 2015?

£1,000,000,000 well spent, guess we didn't need to spend it on all those pointless non-essential services like the NHS, DWP and so on.

The more I read the more I realuse the only way to stop this shite and make everyone mostly happy is for the UK to stay in the single market and economic union. Otherwise there will be a boarder somewhere.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52948431]£1,000,000,000 well spent, guess we didn't need to spend it on all those pointless non-essential services like the NHS, DWP and so on.[/QUOTE] No no no, there isn't a magic money tree for services you fool

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52948496]The more I read the more I realuse the only way to stop this shite and make everyone mostly happy is for the UK to stay in the single market and economic union. Otherwise there will be a boarder somewhere.[/QUOTE] At which point what was the point of this ridiculous exercise in the first place? We'd have all the downsides with none of our special privileges and powers. Remain supporters are mad, leave supporters are mad. Can we just pretend this never happened please :v: