In wake of the Islamic State's persecution of homosexuals, the UN Security Council holds first ever - Polidicks

[quote]The United Nations Security Council has discussed attacks by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) on sexual minorities, in the first meeting by the organisation to be focused on gay rights. The United States ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, told reporters on Monday that "it's about time, 70 years after the creation of the UN, that the fate of LGBT persons who fear for their lives around the world is taking centre stage". "This represents a small but historic step," Power said. The US and Chile hosted the meeting which was open to all member states interested in the plight of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people persecuted by the armed group. All 193 UN member states were invited. Two of the 15 security council members, Chad and Angola, did not attend the closed meeting. [/quote] [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/security-council-holds-meeting-lgbt-rights-150824201712751.html[/url] :pride:

about fucking time. ..

Cool we get to get in russias face about gay rights

Inb4 Russia uses its veto rights to block any resolutions [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Meme reply" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

It's probably not going to get far in terms of doing anything at first, but that there's a meeting at all is a good step.

Looks like they're just using it to further fear monger with IS rather than giving two shits about the quality of life for LGBT people in their own and other countries, pretty disgusting of them

[QUOTE=JerryK;48538045]Looks like they're just using it to further fear monger with IS rather than giving two shits about the quality of life for LGBT people in their own and other countries, pretty disgusting of them[/QUOTE] Why do you look for any reason to demonize anyone you can?

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48538050]Why do you look for any reason to demonize anyone you can?[/QUOTE] If you want to have a debate then come up with an argument, otherwise don't waste everyone's time

[QUOTE=JerryK;48538063]If you want to have a debate then come up with an argument, otherwise don't waste everyone's time[/QUOTE] M8 u can't be argument8ive with baseless allegation

[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;48538094]M8 u can't be argument8ive with baseless allegation[/QUOTE] Would you care to explain to me why the article is only focused on IS rather than an amalgamation of the terrible experiences millions of LGBT people in many countries that are also part of the UN face on a daily basis?

[QUOTE=JerryK;48538120]Would you care to explain to me why the article is only focused on IS rather than an amalgamation of the terrible experiences millions of LGBT people in many countries that are also part of the UN face on a daily basis?[/QUOTE] because if they put "because of LGBT persicution in Africa, Russia, the Middle East, and Parts of Asia" on the motion it'd be shot down, skapegoating IS is a great way to get this started

[QUOTE=Sableye;48538137]because if they put "because of LGBT persicution in Africa, Russia, the Middle East, and Parts of Asia" on the motion it'd be shot down, skapegoating IS is a great way to get this started[/QUOTE] We'll see if they try that, though I am doubtful

[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;48538094]M8 u can't be argument8ive with baseless allegation[/QUOTE] Look, I'm not trying to defend anyone here, but can't you at least be objectively lawyeristic? The person right before him made the exact same type of baseless allegation, be consistent in your criticisms, throw a punch at the other guy too.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48534364]Cool we get to get in russias face about gay rights[/QUOTE] you would have to get in the face of eastern europe as well as european conservatives/nationalists sympathetic to russia in general, though.

[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48538154]Look, I'm not trying to defend anyone here, but can't you at least be objectively lawyeristic? The person right before him made the exact same type of baseless allegation, be consistent in your criticisms, throw a punch at the other guy too.[/QUOTE] It's just fucking stupid to launch into saying "[B]HOW DISGUSTING OF THEM[/B]" when [I]they're doing something you want them to do[/I] while trying to avoid having the motion shot down by Russia.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48538176]It's just fucking stupid to launch into saying "[B]HOW DISGUSTING OF THEM[/B]" when [I]they're doing something you want them to do[/I] while trying to avoid having the motion shot down by Russia.[/QUOTE] There you go, now you provided a base.

Pft, as if the UN can do anything.

[QUOTE=JerryK;48538120]Would you care to explain to me why the article is only focused on IS rather than an amalgamation of the terrible experiences millions of LGBT people in many countries that are also part of the UN face on a daily basis?[/QUOTE] What happens to homosexuals in IS controlled territory and the Middle East at large is so bad that it's not even in the same league as the treatment of homosexuals elsewhere. It's not even worth discussing the rest of the world when you realize how bad they have it there.

This is not just a ISIS problem, it's wide-spread through the middle east and the western world where muslims are, you cannot just point a finger at isis, it's a problem with islams intolerance towards those of other sexual orientations. Source: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_the_Middle_East[/url]

[QUOTE=Arrows;48539738]This is not just a ISIS problem, it's wide-spread through the middle east and the western world where muslims are, you cannot just point a finger at isis, it's a problem with islams intolerance towards those of other sexual orientations. Source: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_the_Middle_East[/url][/QUOTE] our resident islamophobe proving once again he can't understand the differences between culture and religion is it part of religion to hate homosexuals? yes it is and that's vile, but to say that muslims all over the world hate homosexual people is stupid and ignorant

[QUOTE=JerryK;48539933]our resident islamophobe proving once again he can't understand the differences between culture and religion is it part of religion to hate homosexuals? yes it is and that's vile, but to say that muslims all over the world hate homosexual people is stupid and ignorant[/QUOTE] That's... not at all Islamophobic. It is largely fundamentalist Islam combined with a lack of education on the topic that is heavily oppressing LGBT people in predominantly Muslim countries. It isn't a necessary condition of Muslims, but as far as we can tell it seems to be a necessary condition of countries that adopt Islam in any significant way within their government and laws. Much the same as fundamentalist christianity combined with a general lack of education on the topic is causing LGBT people all manner of harm in Uganda, and has historically done so in many parts of the west.

[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;48540426]That's... not at all Islamophobic. It is largely fundamentalist Islam combined with a lack of education on the topic that is heavily oppressing LGBT people in predominantly Muslim countries. It isn't a necessary condition of Muslims, but as far as we can tell it seems to be a necessary condition of countries that adopt Islam in any significant way within their government and laws. Much the same as fundamentalist christianity combined with a general lack of education on the topic is causing LGBT people all manner of harm in Uganda, and has historically done so in many parts of the west.[/QUOTE] Exactly, and trying to hide it by saying 'oh the book [I]that all muslims have to follow[/I] says gay people and women aren't equal, but not [I]everyone[/I] follows the book' is just like covering all the issues in a tarp and pretending they aren't there. @JerryK: calling anyone who points out these issues Islamophobic is another way to try to hide the issue. The quran contains [B]absolute[/B] commands for muslims to follow it and it alone, and reject anything said by humans (stories, narrations etc). [quote]"These are God's revelations that We recite to you truthfully. In which hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 45:6 45:6 contains a clear commandment not to follow anything other than the Quran. "Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114 6:114 contains clear confirmation that: - God is the only source of law. - The Quran has all the details.[/quote] 'Hadith' refers to anything said by humans, such as stories, sayings and narrations. I will also bring up the line of women's inequality: [quote]“Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” Quran 4:34, “Women,” Dawood, p. 83[/quote] So don't try to fucking hide the issue when it's [I]clearly[/I] an issue. Defending islam non-stop won't gain you any more virgins in the afterlife.

[QUOTE=JerryK;48539933]our resident islamophobe proving once again he can't understand the differences between culture and religion is it part of religion to hate homosexuals? yes it is and that's vile, but to say that muslims all over the world hate homosexual people is stupid and ignorant[/QUOTE] Are you trying to form a monopoly on saying stupid shit? I'm not even opposed to Islam - I think everyone has the right to practice their religion within the confines of the law (which itself should be written in the interest of preserving human rights) - but there's no two ways about it: Islam, like, say, Christianity, is fundamentally a homophobic and sexist religion. Many modern Muslims have deviated from these practices, just like many modern Christians, but it is far and away the norm in the middle east.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48541514]Are you trying to form a monopoly on saying stupid shit? I'm not even opposed to Islam - I think everyone has the right to practice their religion within the confines of the law (which itself should be written in the interest of preserving human rights) - but there's no two ways about it: Islam, like, say, Christianity, is fundamentally a homophobic and sexist religion. Many modern Muslims have deviated from these practices, just like many modern Christians, but it is far and away the norm in the middle east.[/QUOTE] You just agreed with what I said though, religion and culture aren't two distinct entities they tend to meld, for better or for worse