[release][b]Israel and Hamas reached a prisoner exchange deal that will secure the release of abducted Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit, a report by Al-Arabiya said on Tuesday.[/b]
The report came as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called an emergency cabinet meeting scheduled for later Tuesday in which ministers are to discuss the status of talks geared at securing Sahlit's release.
IDF soldier Gilad Shalit, captured by Hamas in 2006.
Photo by: Archive
Last week, Israel Radio quoted Al-Hayat newspaper as saying that German mediator Gerhard Conrad has not arrived in Egypt for talks on a prisoner exchange between Israel and Hamas, contradicting previous media reports.
An Egyptian source told the London-based Al-Hayat that previous reports on Conrad's visit were erroneous.
Palestinian sources said that Conrad has completed his role as mediator in the talks, and that he will not return to Egypt.
On Tuesday, a German news agency reported that Conrad had landed in Cairo on Monday for a clandestine visit of several days, during which he was slated to meet with several Egyptian officials in an attempt to restart talks regarding a deal between Israel and Hamas, which would free captive IDF soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.
Egyptian sources claimed that Hamas leaders were scheduled to arrive in Cairo in the next days in order to advance Palestinians reconciliation talks.
The developments come on the heels of an Al-Hayat report last month on the progress of talks in light of Israeli flexibility regarding the number of prisoners it is demands to expel in order to secure Shalit's release.
Moreover, prisoners reportedly have information according to which Israel will no longer veto the release of Israeli Arab and Jerusalem Palestinian security prisoners, a move which may advance negotiations.
Hamas had expressed reservations regarding Conrad, claiming that he supported the Israeli position, and demanded that Egyptian mediators must remain in the picture.[/release]
Source: [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-israel-hamas-reach-gilad-shalit-prisoner-exchange-deal-1.389404[/url]
[quote]which would free captive IDF soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for [b]hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.[/b][/quote]
What's so important about this one soldier and why does Israel have hundreds of Palestinian prisoners just laying around for trading
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32730525]What's so important about this one soldier and why does Israel have hundreds of Palestinian prisoners just laying around for trading[/QUOTE]
Nothing really. Israel just has a policy of returning every captured soldier they can, a lot of times for a very large price.
If you look at a lot of prisoner exchange deals between Israel and another entity (not official countries though) you will find that it's usually 1 Israeli soldier for several hundreds of other soldiers.
HAMAS are pricks.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;32730730]HAMAS are pricks.[/QUOTE]
As if the Israeli government isn't. Gilad Shalit as been in captivity for more than 5 years now. The deal they just made? They could have made the same god damn deal 5 years ago. I am not even kidding. Same amount of prisoners released. They just chose to do it now because of the social protest that just took place here-they're just using him to come out as the good guys.
Politicians always do that shit when they have their backs turned against the wall by their citizans, because they want to prove they did something good for a change.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;32730802]As if the Israeli government isn't. Gilad Shalit as been in captivity for more than 5 years now. The deal they just made? They could have made the same god damn deal 5 years ago. I am not even kidding. Same amount of prisoners released. They just chose to do it now because of the social protest that just took place here-they're just using him to come out as the good guys.
Politicians always do that shit when they have their backs turned against the wall by their citizans, because they want to prove they did something good for a change.[/QUOTE]
1 man for hundreds of palestians who most likely have been arrested for violent actions. It's a terrible deal.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;32730851]1 man for hundreds of palestians who most likely have been arrested for violent actions. It's a terrible deal.[/QUOTE]
Of course it is. But there is kind of a mindset among Israeli society of "every soldier goes back home safe". Personally, I think it's stupid, and a lot of people are starting to agree with me. Not every soldier is worth his price, and in the end consequinces need to be thought of as well- What if, as a result of the prisoners being released, more soldiers die, or more civilians die? That defies the whole fucking purpose doesn't it?
What i'm angry about is the fact that they delayed this shit for so long just so they could come out as the good guys, "Hey, we got him out!" Well, at the price of what? And if that's the same price as 5 years ago, why not then?
[QUOTE=Thom12255;32730851]1 man for hundreds of palestians who most likely have been arrested for violent actions. It's a terrible deal.[/QUOTE]Why are they "Palestinians who likely have committed violent actions"? It is no doubt Hamas is trying to free some of their men as well but the primary factor of their release terms is political prisoners, there’s no list (besides a few Hamas members) of people Hamas is trying to exchange which is why its highly erroneous to say that the people being released are ‘violent people’.
There’s currently [URL="http://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention"]hundreds of Palestinians in administrative detention[/URL] (imprisonment without trial). More than a third of such administrative detainees remain behind bars for longer than six months, a further third longer than a year. Eight percent stay locked up for at least two years.
Some people speculate that these administrative imprisonments are solely used as a bargaining chip when negotiating for the release of Shalit hence why the charges are a “secret” and cannot be shared with the accused or legal representation due to “security concerns” They’re also [URL="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,656934,00.html"]imprisoned with terrible conditions[/URL] akin to Gilad’s imprisonment.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;32731475]Why are they "Palestinians who likely have committed violent actions"? It is no doubt Hamas is trying to free some of their men as well but the primary factor of their release terms is political prisoners, there’s no list (besides a few Hamas members) of people Hamas is trying to exchange which is why its highly erroneous to say that the people being released are ‘violent people’.
There’s currently [URL="http://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention"]hundreds of Palestinians in administrative detention[/URL] (imprisonment without trial). More than a third of such administrative detainees remain behind bars for longer than six months, a further third longer than a year. Eight percent stay locked up for at least two years.
Some people speculate that these administrative imprisonments are solely used as a bargaining chip when negotiating for the release of Shalit hence why the charges are a “secret” and cannot be shared with the accused or legal representation due to “security concerns” They’re also [URL="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,656934,00.html"]imprisoned with terrible conditions[/URL] akin to Gilad’s imprisonment.[/QUOTE]
It is actually known that more than 300 of the prisoners are connected to suicide attacks in Israel.
(although you probably won't believe it because it's information published by the Israeli government..)
[QUOTE=Kero_;32732607]It is actually known that more than 300 of the prisoners are connected to suicide attacks in Israel.
(although you probably won't believe it because it's information published by the Israeli government..)[/QUOTE]
How exactly are [b]LIVING[/b] prisoners connected to [b]SUICIDE[/b] attacks?
[QUOTE=Kero_;32732607]It is actually known that more than 300 of the prisoners are connected to suicide attacks in Israel.
(although you probably won't believe it because it's information published by the Israeli government..)[/QUOTE]
And why would you believe them? That's like saying "the US government claims someone is a terrorist, even though it's not independently agreed upon, I believe them". You wouldn't cite one source (Read: you didn't cite anything) for a research paper, why would you cite only one source for this?
[QUOTE=Glorbo;32730940]Of course it is. But there is kind of a mindset among Israeli society of "every soldier goes back home safe". Personally, I think it's stupid, and a lot of people are starting to agree with me. Not every soldier is worth his price, and in the end consequinces need to be thought of as well- What if, as a result of the prisoners being released, more soldiers die, or more civilians die? That defies the whole fucking purpose doesn't it?
What i'm angry about is the fact that they delayed this shit for so long just so they could come out as the good guys, "Hey, we got him out!" Well, at the price of what? And if that's the same price as 5 years ago, why not then?[/QUOTE]
Well now those prisoners are the Palestinians problem. I think that trying to bring every possible man alive is a fairly noble thing.
[QUOTE=loled;32732689]How exactly are [b]LIVING[/b] prisoners connected to [b]SUICIDE[/b] attacks?[/QUOTE]
By planning the attacks, perhaps?
[QUOTE=Kero_;32733054]By planning the attacks, perhaps?[/QUOTE]
Unless you can get a source other than the Israeli government, I can't take that kind of accusation seriously.
[QUOTE=Kero_;32732607]It is actually known that more than 300 of the prisoners are connected to suicide attacks in Israel.
[b](although you probably won't believe it because it's information published by the Israeli government..)[/b][/QUOTE]
You say that as if it makes us stupid
That's like if you were trying to defend Nazi Germany's concentration comps with data PUBLISHED BY GERMANY that says the Jews were plotting to blow up a bunch of German cities.
:godwin: I dont even care
[QUOTE=Kero_;32732607]It is actually known that more than 300 of the prisoners are connected to suicide attacks in Israel.
(although you probably won't believe it because it's information published by the Israeli government..)[/QUOTE]
um well yeah considering that the israeli government lock these people up without telling them or their legal counsel what they're charged with you'll forgive us for taking their word on [I]other[/I] prisoners' charges with a grain of salt
tl;dr DAMN [I]JEWS![/I]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32734819]You say that as if it makes us stupid
That's like if you were trying to defend Nazi Germany's concentration comps with data PUBLISHED BY GERMANY that says the Jews were plotting to blow up a bunch of German cities.
:godwin: I dont even care[/QUOTE]
No, that's a really retarded comparison. At least make it a good one if you rate my post dumb.
[QUOTE=Kero_;32736244]No, that's a really retarded comparison. At least make it a good one if you rate my post dumb.[/QUOTE]
What's dumb about it?
Israel is detaining Palestinian citizens, and the only source you have for the claim that they were linked to terrorism is the Israeli government, the people [b]who are detaining them[/b].
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32739877]What's dumb about it?
Israel is detaining Palestinian citizens, and the only source you have for the claim that they were linked to terrorism is the Israeli government, the people [b]who are detaining them[/b].[/QUOTE]
You do know that the same say is valid to info that the Hamas publishes about their activists?
But fair enough. By Sunday the list of prisoners will be published so you can check and see it for yourself.
[QUOTE=Kero_;32744495][b]You do know that the same say is valid to info that the Hamas publishes about their activists?[/b]
But fair enough. By Sunday the list of prisoners will be published so you can check and see it for yourself.[/QUOTE]
Uh, what?
I honestly can't tell what you're trying to say here
I wonder if they'll give him back alive. It's happened before that Israel has given a large amount of prisoners back for the bodies of Israeli soldiers.
[QUOTE=jaykray;32746608]I wonder if they'll give him back alive. It's happened before that Israel has given a large amount of prisoners back for the bodies of Israeli soldiers.[/QUOTE]No that has never happened.
EDIT: Both Hezbollah and Israel have exchanged soldiers and prisoners for the remains of soldiers from Hezbollah and Israel, respectively. They were never "tricked" as the above poster implied. Israel already knew they were getting bodies, and so did Hezbollah whenever they did a swap so each can get the remains.
There are significant differences between the two, and it is vital to be able to distinguish them (it's not really that hard).
Israel needs some better negotiators if this is the best deal they can get.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;32746927]No that has never happened.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Israel-Hezbollah_prisoner_swap[/url]
I find it funny how you enjoy defending terrorists.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;32746927]No that has never happened.[/QUOTE]
Nice one.
[QUOTE=Kero_;32747332][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Israel-Hezbollah_prisoner_swap[/url]
I find it funny how you enjoy defending terrorists.[/QUOTE]
No, he just absolutely hates anything that could possibly be related to Israel, and wants to dismiss anything that could make them look even a little bit good.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];32747615']No, he just absolutely hates anything that could possibly be related to Israel, and wants to dismiss anything that could make them look even a little bit good.[/QUOTE]
If they make a good deal here to get political prisoners out on both sides, I'd like that, but acting like the Israeli government is being [I]so merciful,[/I] is just ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32748575]If they make a good deal here to get political prisoners out on both sides, I'd like that, but acting like the Israeli government is being [I]so merciful,[/I] is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Completely ignoring anything good they do is also ridiculous
[QUOTE='[sluggo];32747615']No, he just absolutely hates anything that could possibly be related to Israel, and wants to dismiss anything that could make them look even a little bit good.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, the peaceful nation of Israel release hundreds of prisoners that are probably there without a trial, and that they shouldn't have had in the first place.
[editline]13th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=jaykray;32746608]I wonder if they'll give him back alive. It's happened before that[B] Israel has given a large amount of prisoners back for the bodies of Israeli soldiers.[/B][/QUOTE]
[B]Five[/B] prisoners and 199 bodies, for two coffins.
Unless those dead bodies were imprisoned, I'm not so sure about the bolded part in your text.
[QUOTE=Sickle;32750240]Oh yes, the peaceful nation of Israel release hundreds of prisoners that are probably there without a trial, and that they shouldn't have had in the first place.
[editline]13th October 2011[/editline]
[B]Five[/B] prisoners and 199 bodies, for two coffins.
Unless those dead bodies were imprisoned, I'm not so sure about the bolded part in your text.[/QUOTE]
Ok, but it's still 5 alive people for 2 dead ones.
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