Oracle loses another case, pays $3 billion dollars to HP - Polidicks

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMIcun8WgAA9_4z.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE] Oracle's argument has been that the [B]Itanium processor was nearing end of life[/B] and[B] it didn't think there was a contract requiring it to support the hardware indefinitely[/B]. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hewlett-packard-oracle-verdict-idUSKCN0ZG3C1[/URL] [URL]https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/01/jury-awards-hp-3-billion-in-damages-from-oracle/[/URL] Oh boy

Oh jeez that's sweet.

Incorrect title, this case was lost in 2012. The articles are about how they just now held a trial to decide the damages payout. Mind you, Oracle can appeal (and is going to), but its looking grim in that regard.

Oracle really is an awful company... Maybe these verdicts will finally snowball on them until they are destroyed by their own hand [video=youtube;BtEC3pNEMhY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtEC3pNEMhY[/video]

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;50643397]Incorrect title, this case was lost in 2012. The articles are about how they just now held a trial to decide the damages payout. Mind you, Oracle can appeal (and is going to), but its looking grim in that regard.[/QUOTE] I know, but writing "Oracle losing another case" was funnier :v: RIP Java

3 billion holy shit

Why is Oracle a bad organization?

[QUOTE=nintenman1;50643403]Oracle really is an awful company... Maybe these verdicts will finally snowball on them until they are destroyed by their own hand [video=youtube;BtEC3pNEMhY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtEC3pNEMhY[/video][/QUOTE] Did I miss something, why is Oracle awful? I just know them for Java, which is terrible nowadays because of security reasons...

[QUOTE=Karmah;50644334]Did I miss something, why is Oracle awful? I just know them for Java, which is terrible nowadays because of security reasons...[/QUOTE] They sue everyone that uses their products or services. Everyone.

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;50643732]Why is Oracle a bad organization?[/QUOTE] - They sue a ton of people over stuff they don't actually have claims to, like Google over using the Java [I]API[/I] (not their actual code, just a compatible implementation) for Android. - They bought Java and are now using that to heavily push adware onto consumers with what's possibly the currently worst updater in existence. (The only reason it nags you and requires interaction at all is so they can display opt-outs for advertising software that takes over your browser and such.) Compared to them, nearly all other huge tech companies are practically saints. Even Apple is at least slightly less awful.

[QUOTE=Karmah;50644334]Did I miss something, why is Oracle awful? I just know them for Java, which is terrible nowadays because of security reasons...[/QUOTE] Oracle database is the product that is their biggest revenue earner, and they are famous for draconian, expensive service contracts and extremely poor support of their customers as far as bug fixes go. IIRC they sued a company that fixed a bug in their own installation of OracleDB because that was seen by them as intellectual property infringement or some other BS and wasnt allowed under the support agreement. This being after oracle had previously refused to address the issue in any sort of timely manner :/

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;50643732]Why is Oracle a bad organization?[/QUOTE] [url]http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/07/how-oracles-business-as-usual-is-threatening-to-kill-java/[/url] among others

[QUOTE=Xerios3;50643670] RIP Java[/QUOTE] Who uses Java outside of for minecraft anymore (it even has its own standalone java too)

[QUOTE=J!NX;50645567]Who uses Java outside of for minecraft anymore (it even has its own standalone java too)[/QUOTE] There are some save editors that use it. I have a app (Filebot) on my computer that uses it.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50645567]Who uses Java outside of for minecraft anymore (it even has its own standalone java too)[/QUOTE] ...a shitload of companies and application developers? A fucking monstrous number of web applications are driven with Java. A good number of productivity apps exist for office use that have some basis in Java. Almost every embedded system on the face of the earth has some form of Java support. It's still incredibly ubiquitous because it's still incredibly supported. Personal desktop use has dropped quite a bit because HTML5 webapps can perform a lot of the simple shit Java was used for, but it's still used everywhere. Just because "hue hue minecraft sux lol" has become the opinion of the Internet recently doesn't mean Java is dead. Minecraft largely had performance issues due to the game itself being a janky fuck, Java isn't the optimal language for ~MLG top-tier~~~ game development, but it's plenty fast enough to actually work for games still. As long as the developer is careful and aware of their limitations.

[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Itanium_Sales_Forecasts_edit.png[/t] TBF you can see why they might have not wanted to bother. A contract is a contract though.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50645567]Who uses Java outside of for minecraft anymore (it even has its own standalone java too)[/QUOTE] Have you heard of servers? You know the machines that run the internet? Well some of them are Dell Poweredge servers that are powered by iDRAC cards. Some of the most amazing shit in the world. But it uses Java.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50645567]Who uses Java outside of for minecraft anymore (it even has its own standalone java too)[/QUOTE] Just because not a lot of people use Java for desktops doesn't mean it's not important it stays alive, sadly.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;50645876]Enterprise uses it more than you think [sp]It's mostly awful[/sp][/QUOTE] Java can run on pretty much everything, but it'll run shitty on it almost no matter what. Jack-of-all-trades platform. [editline]4th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Gbps;50646367]literally Android[/QUOTE] Not technically Java, but Java compatible. Google's been pondering to move away from it though, even gone as far as considering Apple's Swift. And that's when you know Java needs a complete overhaul as a whole, or flat-out replacement.

[QUOTE=Gbps;50646367]Just because not a lot of people use Java for desktops doesn't mean it's not important it stays alive, sadly.[/QUOTE] It's like calling matlab useless because you don't encounter it ever. Different languages serve different purposes, it being used a ton doesn't mean we'll see it in a ton of desktop apps.

[QUOTE=Van-man;50646369]And that's when you know Java needs a complete overhaul as a whole, or flat-out replacement.[/QUOTE] The maintainers have known Java has needed an overhaul for a decade at least. Parts of it were fucked when it released. But it was still easier, and arguably better than other options at the time so it stuck. But it's not going to happen. A huge part of Java is it's backwards compatibility. Which as far as I know, hasn't been broken since release. Parts of the core JRE still have code from version 1. And it's really, really biting them in the ass right now. The lambdas added in Java SE8 are notoriously hacky, debugging them is a fucking exercise in futility and their implementation has a huge number of quirks thanks to another feature that only just works; generics. But this is the price you pay to ensure code written by the fucking intern 20 years ago doesn't just stop working. And writing a new language on top of the JVM can only do so much as it's a problem at the bytecode level. [editline]5th July 2016[/editline] Though Swift is neat. I could see it working out somewhat nicely for app developers if a decent abstraction library is created. One-click compilation to iOS and Android in their "native" language.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50645567]Who uses Java outside of for minecraft anymore (it even has its own standalone java too)[/QUOTE] Java is the cheapest, easiest, most run-on-a-toaster shit you can have. Tons of enterprise level shit uses it because outsourcing the code is so fucking cheap. While most people don't like it when you are working a business and trying to make a profit, java is a pretty good way to get shit done quick; not to mention wanting to provide all those updates for bug fixes on a warranty contract.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50645567]Who uses Java outside of for minecraft anymore (it even has its own standalone java too)[/QUOTE] And that's assuming your attached to your mods and custom gamemodes enough that you don't play Win10 edition

[QUOTE=nintenman1;50645267]Oracle database is the product that is their biggest revenue earner, and they are famous for draconian, expensive service contracts and extremely poor support of their customers as far as bug fixes go. IIRC they sued a company that fixed a bug in their own installation of OracleDB because that was seen by them as intellectual property infringement or some other BS and wasnt allowed under the support agreement. This being after oracle had previously refused to address the issue in any sort of timely manner :/[/QUOTE] The amount of stress and headaches OracleDB has caused for me because of terrible support is ridiculous.

$1 for every device java runs on!

$1 for every byte of memory leaked per user per day.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;50647783]Java is the cheapest, easiest, most run-on-a-toaster shit you can have. Tons of enterprise level shit uses it because outsourcing the code is so fucking cheap. While most people don't like it when you are working a business and trying to make a profit, java is a pretty good way to get shit done quick; not to mention wanting to provide all those updates for bug fixes on a warranty contract.[/QUOTE] I think the biggest seller really is you can run Java on almost anything in the world, like DVD players or coffee dispensers, old phones and ATM machines. Means that you can program something to work on one thing, and then easily swap it onto a different hardware platform.