[quote]What’s baffling about PC isn’t that you don’t get charged for playing online - it’s that increasingly you choose entirely what you want to play for anything[/quote]
Who's Tim Edwards' ISP? I'd like to get in on their free internet connection.
i am sure this will sway the many readers of PCGAMES who do not own a gaming pc
And this elitism is a fairly good reason why your next gen console maybe shouldn't be a PC.
PC mustard race strikes again.
Goddamn that article was such propaganda.
[QUOTE=markg06;40934893]Who's Tim Edwards' ISP? I'd like to get in on their free internet connection.[/QUOTE]
I think he's referring to having to pay for the console side of online, like Xbox Live
You have to pay for internet to do anything online, unless you live next to a starbucks
The big difference I've noticed is the price of games
Nintendo doesn't offer their games at a lower price in the eShop because then retailers would get angry... but on the PC it's all so huge and "uncontrollable" that there aren't such restrictions in place
[QUOTE=Hatley;40934898]And this elitism is a fairly good reason why your next gen console maybe shouldn't be a PC.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't go that far.
If you are not willing to look at both options objectively just because some guy from a game journalism website is advertising PCs to you, then you are just as stubborn as elitists.
[QUOTE=markg06;40934893]Who's Tim Edwards' ISP? I'd like to get in on their free internet connection.[/QUOTE]
The article isn't talking about ISPs. It's talking about online services. :downs:
[QUOTE=Ricool06;40934973]I wouldn't go that far.
If you are not willing to look at both options objectively just because some guy from a game journalism website is advertising PCs to you, then you are just as stubborn as elitists.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, I worded that poorly.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy PC gaming, but when I see the elitism I just think "I don't even want to give myself a chance to become that guy"
[QUOTE=Hatley;40934992]I'm sorry, I worded that poorly.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy PC gaming, but when I see the elitism I just think "I don't even want to give myself a chance to become that guy"[/QUOTE]
Fair point, I say look at the technology, ignore pointless articles like this and find out for yourself. :)
[QUOTE=Hatley;40934992]I'm sorry, I worded that poorly.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy PC gaming, but when I see the elitism I just think "I don't even want to give myself a chance to become that guy"[/QUOTE]
You don't catch PC elitism, it's not contagious.
It just happens after you experience the glory of PC gaming.
[QUOTE=Hatley;40934992]I'm sorry, I worded that poorly.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy PC gaming, but when I see the elitism I just think "I don't even want to give myself a chance to become that guy"[/QUOTE]
It's not elitism. That word gets thrown around way too easily nowadays just to discredit someone's argument.
The only things I dislike about PC gaming are the hardware prices (because I'm poor as shit), the communities most of the time (they've all got their own kink, and let's not forget being able to mod games is a double edged sword) and the smug self-satisfaction that everyone who's ever written an article or comment about how much better PC gaming is compared to console gaming has.
I mean, there's still people out there using that "master race" crap that was painfully obviously sarcastic, it's kind of impressive
[QUOTE=Hatley;40934898]And this elitism is a fairly good reason why your next gen console maybe shouldn't be a PC.[/QUOTE]
It's not elitism though, he's pointing out the benefits PC has over consoles.
It could be called propaganda because he isn't bringing up the bad sides of the PC and the good sides of the consoles, but that doesn't stop him from being right about what he says.
Consoles are great for console-exclusive games and "plug-and-play" like gaming experience, usually with friends. But you could easily hook up two gamepads to your PC and connect the PC to the TV and get that same plug-and-play experience, meaning only the exclusive titles really makes consoles a truly viable solution now, [I]for those that know it's possible[/I].
The things the consoles do the PC does as well, the only thing the PC can't beat is the exclusives, it isn't like it was 10 years ago where plugging your PC to the TV could be a big fucking hassle, and the PC had to be a giant stationary beast in order to run games properly.
Consoles are inferior to the PC, but it's completely understandable that they appeal to a bigger range of audience because there is less of a hassle involved with them and you only pay one price for the console itself in order to play games smoothly enough for many many years to come.
I remember 2 years ago when everyone screamed "THE END OF PC GAMING?"
Thanks Microsoft for fucking up!
Maybe this will do us good somehow.
[QUOTE=arthuro12;40935084]I remember 2 years ago when everyone screamed "THE END OF PC GAMING?"
Thanks Microsoft for fucking up!
Maybe this will do us good somehow.[/QUOTE]
Thank Razer. They saved us all.
Hardly elitism. Maybe propaganda. Pointing out the objective benefits of PC gaming isn't the same as weeing all over the console scene.
thanks article now i gotta hunt down the bigger versions of those pics
One of the main problems with PC gaming is that not everyone is going to be knowledgeable with computers. Using a console is straight forward and hassle free, it's a pick up and go scenario. PC's on the other hand are completely different. If something goes wrong then the issue lies on the end-user to fix it, and this can vary from something simple to absolutely complex. When playing a game they need to be aware of what each graphic options do and how it scales with their current hardware. Not everyone is going to have the technical knowledge, time and patience to research this kind of stuff.
I'm an exclusive PC gamer and I can't imagine what it would even be like to not have the technical knowledge for computers.
[QUOTE=Hatley;40934898]And this elitism is a fairly good reason why your next gen console maybe shouldn't be a PC.[/QUOTE]
It's why I'll probably be on Wii U.
Pick a flavor and watch how the tastebuds react over time, that's the console experience.
I'm happy trying different stuff, every system has it's ups & downs.
Ultimately. Articles like this don't change anything.
[QUOTE=GreenDolphin;40935285]One of the main problems with PC gaming is that not everyone is going to be knowledgeable with computers. Using a console is straight forward and hassle free, it's a pick up and go scenario. PC's on the other hand are completely different. If something goes wrong then the issue lies on the end-user to fix it, and this can vary from something simple to absolutely complex. When playing a game they need to be aware of what each graphic options do and how it scales with their current hardware. Not everyone is going to have the technical knowledge, time and patience to research this kind of stuff.
I'm an exclusive PC gamer and I can't imagine what it would even be like to not have the technical knowledge for computers.[/QUOTE]
Eh, most complete package PCs can run games just fine, tho you should probably take care of the bloatware (not difficult, so even if you're unknowledgable you should be able to find a friend that'll do it for it).
Most common hurdles from my experience tend to be either day-1-issues that are patched fairly quickly or redistributables not being up to date - both of which Steam will automatically take care of if you don't have a driver manager or something xfire-esque installed.
Tho older games can prove to be a hassle to set up the environment for if you don't download resurfaced editions off GoG or Steam.
As for graphics, most modern games autodetect your hardware and have a lot of "low/medium/high"-classifications for options that make it easy to adjust your experience if you're suffering FPS losses or think about cranking everything up.
There's some stuff like VSync that are just checkboxes and unexplained, but they're usually fine by default and only matter for people that care so much about graphical details they're familiar with the subject matter/are invested enough to read further into the subject matter.
You don't exactly need to build your PC from scratch and fumble with security options in the BIOS for half an hour before your USB drivers are finally working properly.
[QUOTE=GreenDolphin;40935285]One of the main problems with PC gaming is that not everyone is going to be knowledgeable with computers. Using a console is straight forward and hassle free, it's a pick up and go scenario. PC's on the other hand are completely different. If something goes wrong then the issue lies on the end-user to fix it, and this can vary from something simple to absolutely complex. When playing a game they need to be aware of what each graphic options do and how it scales with their current hardware. Not everyone is going to have the technical knowledge, time and patience to research this kind of stuff.
I'm an exclusive PC gamer and I can't imagine what it would even be like to not have the technical knowledge for computers.[/QUOTE]
I think the biggest issue here is all the extra dependencies that modern games have. All their PhysX, DirectX, Visual Studio C++, and all that crap, in different versions too. Having a system installed that would automatically update GPU drivers and use OpenGL would cut away so much it's not even funny.
Or even better, get a console AND a PC.
Never miss a good game release.
[QUOTE=Crazy;40935489]Or even better, get a console AND a PC.
Never miss a good game release.[/QUOTE]
No wonder you're crazy, people don't do that! Too much sense!!
[QUOTE=Crazy;40935489]Or even better, get a console AND a PC.
Never miss a good game release.[/QUOTE]
.. Or simplifying PC software in such a way that there's not a lot of difference? So that you easily could switch on Steam Big Picture mode and be done with it.
IMO, nothing should change, this next generation shit is just a money driven bullshit with little thought put into these consoles.
[QUOTE=GreenDolphin;40935285]One of the main problems with PC gaming is that not everyone is going to be knowledgeable with computers. Using a console is straight forward and hassle free, it's a pick up and go scenario. PC's on the other hand are completely different. If something goes wrong then the issue lies on the end-user to fix it, and this can vary from something simple to absolutely complex. When playing a game they need to be aware of what each graphic options do and how it scales with their current hardware. Not everyone is going to have the technical knowledge, time and patience to research this kind of stuff.
I'm an exclusive PC gamer and I can't imagine what it would even be like to not have the technical knowledge for computers.[/QUOTE]
Well, consoles being hassle-free are a result of their closed nature. What I think needs to happen, to make the hardware hurdles less intimidating and the performance assessment less intimidating, is modular computers. Computer components that are self-contained within cases that stick together like LEGO bricks and communicate through a set standardized buses and power links. To build a PC, you simply buy a PSU block, a GPU block, a CPU block and so on. Upgrading would be just a matter of swapping out a block. Each component would have a rating in the form of a performance index that is absolute, not relative.
Perhaps they should consoles more customizable and upgradeable in some way and make it more open, in terms of hardware and software.
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