Pope Francis claims the Armenian Genocide 'the first genocide of the 20th century', pisses off Turke - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Turkey has summoned the Vatican ambassador after Pope Francis used the word "genocide" to describe mass killing of Armenians under Ottoman rule in WW1 100 years ago, reports say. Armenia and many historians say up to 1.5 million people were systematically killed by Ottoman forces in 1915. Turkey has consistently denied that the killings were genocide. The Pope's comments came at a service to honour a 10th Century mystic, attended by Armenia's president. The dispute has continued to sour relations between Armenia and Turkey. The Pope first used the word genocide for the killings two years ago, prompting a fierce protest from Turkey. At Sunday's Mass in the Armenian Catholic rite at Peter's Basilica, he said that humanity had lived through "three massive and unprecedented tragedies" in the last century. "The first, which is widely considered 'the first genocide of the 20th Century', struck your own Armenian people," he said, in a form of words used by a declaration by Pope John Paul II in 2001.[/QUOTE] Source: [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32272604"]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32272604[/URL]

I don't see why they're denying it. They can even claim they had nothing to do with it as at the time Turkey wasn't a democracy.

[QUOTE=download;47510528]I don't see why they're denying it. They can even claim they had nothing to do with it as at the time Turkey wasn't a democracy.[/QUOTE] That's not how pandering to the "I-need-an-easy-picture-of-the-world" masses works.

[QUOTE=download;47510528]I don't see why they're denying it. They can even claim they had nothing to do with it as at the time Turkey wasn't a democracy.[/QUOTE] Neo-ottomanistic masturbation, thats why Turkey denies it.

[QUOTE=download;47510528]I don't see why they're denying it. They can even claim they had nothing to do with it as at the time Turkey wasn't a democracy.[/QUOTE] same can be said for japan's actions in ww2, you won't really find a country that accepts the shit things that they did - of course germany is the exception

[QUOTE=Pelican;47511003]same can be said for japan's actions in ww2, you won't really find a country that accepts the shit things that they did - of course germany is the exception[/QUOTE] and all that took was the complete destruction and unconditional surrender of germany so they could finally admit "ya got us good lads"

fun fact: the word "genocide" was invented because of the armenian genocide. the modern world had never seen such mass killings on that scale, they had to invent a word to describe it because no word existed that could do it justice.

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;47511217]fun fact: the word "genocide" was invented because of the armenian genocide. the modern world had never seen such mass killings on that scale, they had to invent a word to describe it because no word existed that could do it justice.[/QUOTE] That's not a very fun fact at all :(

Yeah, the Armenian Genocide was completely sickening. There are stories of women's skirt's being lit on fire before being rolled off, or thrown off a cliff. Absolutely disgusting, it was a game for those committing it.

Can't Francis just decide whether he's a scumfuck or a cool dude? It's really confusing when he flip-flops between the two.

[QUOTE=GayIlluminati;47511553]Can't Francis just decide whether he's a scumfuck or a cool dude? It's really confusing when he flip-flops between the two.[/QUOTE] I'm afraid it's rare to find someone you either 100% agree or disagree with on everything

[QUOTE=GayIlluminati;47511553]Can't Francis just decide whether he's a scumfuck or a cool dude? It's really confusing when he flip-flops between the two.[/QUOTE] "If he says even one thing I don't like, he's a scumfuck."

[QUOTE=Skyward;47511741]"If he says even one thing I don't like, he's a scumfuck."[/QUOTE] [URL="http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms"]http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms[/URL] hmmmm

[QUOTE=GayIlluminati;47511757][URL="http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms"]http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms[/URL] hmmmm[/QUOTE] Oh wow its almost like the Pope strictly adheres to christian doctrine! Like shit I don't agree, but don't act surprised.

Here we go again

[QUOTE=GayIlluminati;47511757][URL="http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms"]http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms[/URL] hmmmm[/QUOTE] this just in: pope is catholic up next: eyewitnesses claim sky to be blue. more at 7

[URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-makes-exorcisms-official-catholic-practice-as-demonfighting-priests-recognised-under-canon-law-9580727.html"]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-makes-exorcisms-official-catholic-practice-as-demonfighting-priests-recognised-under-canon-law-9580727.html[/URL] The fact that he's Catholic doesn't give him a free pass to do this kind of shit without criticism.

[QUOTE=GayIlluminati;47511757][URL="http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms"]http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms[/URL] hmmmm[/QUOTE] Now trust me, I [I]can't wait[/I] until the Catholic Church as an organisation is progressive enough to accept transgender people, but it is probably important to remember that they only recently (as in Pope Benedict XVI) started saying that condoms were okay (and even then, only to prevent AIDS or other STDs). If we were judging the Pope on a 'how progressive is this person', he'd score pretty fucking low, but as far as [I]Popes[/I] go, he's probably the most socially tolerant one ever.

[QUOTE=GayIlluminati;47511804][URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-makes-exorcisms-official-catholic-practice-as-demonfighting-priests-recognised-under-canon-law-9580727.html"]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-makes-exorcisms-official-catholic-practice-as-demonfighting-priests-recognised-under-canon-law-9580727.html[/URL] The fact that he's Catholic doesn't give him a free pass to do this kind of shit without criticism.[/QUOTE] He gets plenty of criticism, just the fact that he's the fucking Pope makes it kinda expected for him to have certain opinions.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47511833]Now trust me, I [I]can't wait[/I] until the Catholic Church as an organisation is progressive enough to accept transgender people, but it is probably important to remember that they only recently (as in Pope Benedict XVI) started saying that condoms were okay (and even then, only to prevent AIDS or other STDs). If we were judging the Pope on a 'how progressive is this person', he'd score pretty fucking low, but as far as [I]Popes[/I] go, he's probably the most socially tolerant one ever.[/QUOTE] Actually, if we're talking relative progressiveness, John Paul II was far more ballsy in that respect. Claiming that evolutionary theory had merit took balls of tungsten during his tenure.

[QUOTE=GayIlluminati;47511855]Actually, if we're talking relative progressiveness, John Paul II was far more ballsy in that respect. Claiming that evolutionary theory had merit took balls of tungsten during his tenure.[/QUOTE] Catholicism generally accepts evolutionary theory though. It's only some of the Protestant branches that are really opposed to it.

[QUOTE=GayIlluminati;47511553]Can't Francis just decide whether he's a scumfuck or a cool dude? It's really confusing when he flip-flops between the two.[/QUOTE] as an Atheist, I'm totally behind him, he's a pretty chill dude he sometimes says some crazy stuff but that's OK, and especially the norm for a religious figure such as himself despite things he may say he's a lot more progressive than the previous ones. He's a very modern guy.

[QUOTE=GayIlluminati;47511855]Actually, if we're talking relative progressiveness, John Paul II was far more ballsy in that respect. Claiming that evolutionary theory had merit took balls of tungsten during his tenure.[/QUOTE] He's definitely better than Benedict was, at the very least. I wasn't alive during John Paul II's tenure so I'm not an expert but I am aware that he was quite similar to Francis in terms of the things he said.

[QUOTE=Deng;47511955]Catholicism generally accepts evolutionary theory though. It's only some of the Protestant branches that are really opposed to it.[/QUOTE] Some days i wonder if God decided to create the universe with the big bang or something that was natural. But had to explain it in the bible as the six days of creation because nobody would've figured out what the fuck he was talking about.

Progressive popes? My homie Urban II was the OG of being progressive. Progressin' to call crusade against the Muslims.

Turkey is going to school an Argentine Pope who went through our decades of repression and instability? Hahahah, fuck off m8 Now, it's interesting how 0 fucks are given by the Turkish about what their government say. I can't imagine a situation where a foreign head of state calls the Junta's repression "Barbaric and genocide" and the local government answers back "You're wrong". I mean, there would be protests overnight and marches all around the country and people would be asking for their heads. The same goes for Germany. Imagine the gov saying "No the holocaust wasn't wrong" or something like that. They would go nuts overnight, too.

Its baffling that they still deny the genocide to this point. Its like If Germany denied the holocaust