Delhi gang rape suspects charged with kidnap, rape, and murder - could face death penalty - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20896031[/url] [quote=BBC News][B]Indian authorities have charged five men with the kidnap, gang-rape and murder of a woman in Delhi last month.[/B] The 23-year-old died two weeks after the 16 December attack. The five men will be tried in a fast-track court, where they could be handed the death penalty. A sixth suspect will be tried in a juvenile court. The incident sparked outrage across India - the victim's father said he backed calls for the men to be executed if found guilty. "The whole country is demanding that these monsters be hanged. I am with them," he told reporters at his home in Uttar Pradesh state. Neither the woman nor her family can be be identified under Indian law. The charges were put before a magistrate but will be transferred to a specially launched fast-track court. The trial is expected to start at the weekend. Although it is mandatory in India for the accused to appear in person to be charged, policemen outside the court said they would not be present on Thursday for security reasons. Case documents already run to more than 1,000 pages and include key testimony from the woman before she died. Police say they have scheduled about 30 witnesses. [B]Daily protests[/B] Protests have been taking place every day since the gang-rape, with protesters expressing anger over attitudes to women in India and calling for changes to the laws on violence against women. They say women in Delhi and across the country are frequently subjected to harassment and sexual assault, that reports of crimes against women are not taken seriously and that conviction rates are too low. On Wednesday, Delhi's Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit joined thousands of women on a protest march through Delhi to Rajghat and called for stringent anti-rape laws. India's Junior Education Minister Shashi Tharoor has suggested a new anti-rape law should be named after the victim, who was a medical student. The woman's family have said they would have no objection to such a move. The woman and a male friend had been to the cinema when they boarded a private bus home in the evening. Police say the men on the bus had been drinking and were taking the vehicle on a joyride. They beat the woman and her companion with iron bars, raped her for nearly an hour and then threw them out of the moving bus into the street, say police. The Press Trust of India quoted police sources as saying the driver of the bus had tried to run her over after throwing her out, but that she was saved by her friend. She sustained serious injuries to her body and brain and died on 29 December in a hospital in Singapore, where she had been flown for specialist treatment. [B]Helpline launched[/B] Delhi officials have responded to criticism that they are failing to protect women by announcing a series of measures intended to make the city safer. These include more police night patrols, checks on bus drivers and their assistants, and the banning of buses with tinted windows or curtains. The government has also set up a committee under a retired Supreme Court judge to recommend changes to the anti-rape law. A telephone helpline has been launched for women in distress, connected with police stations across the city. In an indication of the growing public anger about sexual violence, a member of the ruling Congress party in north-eastern Assam state has been detained after being accused of raping a young woman in a rural village. Footage broadcast on national television showed a crowd of women surrounding the man, stripping him and hitting him before handing him over to police.[/quote]

[QUOTE] They beat the woman and her companion with iron bars, raped her for nearly an hour and then threw them out of the moving bus into the street [/QUOTE] That's fucking disgusting. I believe that a death penalty wouldn't be out of the question.

Good. If anyone deserves death its scum like them.

[QUOTE=isnipeu;39079431]That's fucking disgusting. I believe that a death penalty wouldn't be out of the question.[/QUOTE] Actually, it's a lot worse than that. They also slammed an iron rod up her vagina and then pulled it out with such a tremendous amount of force that her small intestines came with it. Uncomfirmed reports also suggest that her uterus was yanked out as well. By the time the doctors could do anything to try and save her she had already lost large portions of her small intestine, septocemia had set in and her large intestine as well a few other organs were affected by gangrene. Add to this the fact that they also threw her off the bus and also attempted to run her over - her boyfriend managed to pull her away in time and stop them from doing so. Hanging is too good for them. As wrong as capital punishment would be rapists, now that the charge has changed to murder, I would like to see them executed not just in public, but in the most painful manner possible. Preferably along the lines of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Despenser_the_Younger#Trial_and_execution"]Hugh Dispenser the younger[/URL] to match, brutality for brutality, what they did that to that poor girl. All she wanted to do was go out with her boyfriend, watch a movie and return home safely.

While they should be punished for what they've done, I'm a bit conflicted as to whether or not death penalty should be the ultimate option. They should be punished as fuck, but I've never been one to stand on killing others as justice because they killed someone.

As much I'd prefer people like this dead, I don't know if I'd trust the Indian justice system, or any justice system for that matter, in making a decision that decides whether someone dies or not.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;39079439]If anyone deserves death.[/QUOTE] we're all going to die, why view it as punishment when it's a fact.

I'm against death penalty but yeah, there are solid proofs against them and they'd have it so far worse in jail it's almost a blessing to grant them death. Also fuck them.

[QUOTE=AK'z;39079596]we're all going to die, why view it as punishment when it's a fact.[/QUOTE] That's hardly fair, that's like saying because we're all going to die then summary execution of random people on the street isn't a crime because it would happen anyways.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;39079584]Actually, it's a lot worse than that. They also slammed an iron rod up her vagina and then pulled it out with such a tremendous amount of force that her small intestines came with it. Uncomfirmed reports also suggest that her uterus was yanked out as well. By the time the doctors could do anything to try and save her she had already lost large portions of her small intestine, septocemia had set in and her large intestine as well a few other organs were affected by gangrene. Add to this the fact that they also threw her off the bus and also attempted to run her over - her boyfriend managed to pull her away in time and stop them from doing so. Hanging is too good for them. As wrong as capital punishment would be rapists, now that the charge has changed to murder, I would like to see them executed not just in public, but in the most painful manner possible. Preferably along the lines of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Despenser_the_Younger#Trial_and_execution"]Hugh Dispenser the younger[/URL] to match, brutality for brutality, what they did that to that poor girl. All she wanted to do was go out with her boyfriend, watch a movie and return home safely.[/QUOTE] Alright now I really don't care, they could just immolate them to death that I wouldn't miss a heartbeat.

Even if they get life imprisonment, nobody in the prison will like them

[QUOTE=aznz888;39079588]While they should be punished for what they've done, I'm a bit conflicted as to whether or not death penalty should be the ultimate option. They should be punished as fuck, but I've never been one to stand on killing others as justice because they killed someone.[/QUOTE] I'd much rather these monsters were removed from society permanently without having my money as a taxpayer keeping them alive in any way. The same debate was had by many when the government decided to keep Ajmal Kasab, one of the terrorists involved in the 26/11 Mumbai incident for over 2 years, [URL="http://www.indianexpress.com/comments/Kasab-demands-basmati-rice-in-prison-/513946/2"]humoring his requests all at the taxpayer's expense[/URL] because if he was released in general population he'd be killed immediately ([URL="http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/centre-may-deduct-maharashtra-s-funds-to-pay-for-kasab-s-expenses-284433"]It cost us approximately 5.1 million USD to look after him for 2 years[/URL]). I'll be damned if these buggers are going to be given a prison cell at that kind of expense, especially after what they did.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;39079584]Hanging is too good for them. As wrong as capital punishment would be rapists, now that the charge has changed to murder, I would like to see them executed not just in public, but in the most painful manner possible. Preferably along the lines of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Despenser_the_Younger#Trial_and_execution"]Hugh Dispenser the younger[/URL] to match, brutality for brutality, what they did that to that poor girl. All she wanted to do was go out with her boyfriend, watch a movie and return home safely.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Just before he died, it is recorded that he let out a "ghastly inhuman howl", [B]much to the delight and merriment of the spectators.[/B][/QUOTE] that's wow

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39079592]As much I'd prefer people like this dead, I don't know if I'd trust the Indian justice system, or any justice system for that matter, in making a decision that decides whether someone dies or not.[/QUOTE] I'd share your hesitation on the matter - I hope that the legal system in place does whatever it deems to be right, but to be honest, a short drop from the wooden spot would be a kindness compared to what'd happen if they were either left in jail (they'd be killed swiftly by some of Tihar Jail's more.....infamous inmates) or if they were acquitted ([URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/16/india.gender"]This is what happened the last time a rapist tried to defend himself[/URL].) Whatever their decision may be, I think their end is inescapable. It is only left to be seen who carries it out. Edit: [URL="http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1724038/Bomb-found-near-home-of-Delhi-rape-suspect"]Thought I'd add this, but the police managed to stop the house of one of the rapists from being bombed. [/URL]

[QUOTE=snookypookums;39079584]Actually, it's a lot worse than that. They also slammed an iron rod up her vagina and then pulled it out with such a tremendous amount of force that her small intestines came with it. Uncomfirmed reports also suggest that her uterus was yanked out as well. By the time the doctors could do anything to try and save her she had already lost large portions of her small intestine, septocemia had set in and her large intestine as well a few other organs were affected by gangrene. Add to this the fact that they also threw her off the bus and also attempted to run her over - her boyfriend managed to pull her away in time and stop them from doing so. Hanging is too good for them. As wrong as capital punishment would be rapists, now that the charge has changed to murder, I would like to see them executed not just in public, but in the most painful manner possible. Preferably along the lines of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Despenser_the_Younger#Trial_and_execution"]Hugh Dispenser the younger[/URL] to match, brutality for brutality, what they did that to that poor girl. All she wanted to do was go out with her boyfriend, watch a movie and return home safely.[/QUOTE] Nothing is too good for them. Lifetime imprisonment, hanging, burning, it's all the same to me when you talk about people who made other innocent people go through extreme needless and senseless suffering.

[QUOTE=aznz888;39079588]While they should be punished for what they've done, I'm a bit conflicted as to whether or not death penalty should be the ultimate option. They should be punished as fuck, but I've never been one to stand on killing others as justice because they killed someone.[/QUOTE] You're right. They should have the same thing done to them and left alive. Somehow... What they did is stuff of monsters, coming out of a horror story from the medieval ages.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39079715]You're right. They should have the same thing done to them and left alive. Somehow... What they did is stuff of monsters, coming out of a horror story from the medieval ages.[/QUOTE] Sorry but it's not medieval ages anymore, so what does that tell you? That the modern ages are sometimes even more violent than the past.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;39079726]Sorry but it's not medieval ages anymore, so what does that tell you? That the modern ages are sometimes even more violent than the past.[/QUOTE] Hence why I said that it's like a horror story coming from the deep dark past.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39079715]You're right. They should have the same thing done to them and left alive. Somehow... What they did is stuff of monsters, coming out of a horror story from the medieval ages.[/QUOTE] well India signed the UDHR which means that they can't have government-sanctioned rape or torture, so uh... bad luck there I guess? also it'd be cruel and unusual punishment, which again is so illegal it doesn't even bear thinking about

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39079715]You're right. They should have the same thing done to them and left alive. Somehow... What they did is stuff of monsters, coming out of a horror story from the medieval ages.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://news.oneindia.in/2012/12/19/delhi-gang-rape-3-accused-confess-in-court-remanded-1116889.html"]This is a breakdown of the event, including the motivations of one of the rapists.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Cone;39079753]well India signed the UDHR which means that they can't have government-sanctioned rape or torture, so uh... bad luck there I guess? also it'd be cruel and unusual punishment, which again is so illegal it doesn't even bear thinking about[/QUOTE] How does someone punish this kind of people then? I get that death penalty solves nothing and "an eye for an eye" punishment is illegal and brutal but... The only way I see them getting an actual punishment would be sending them to some kind of prison where you wouldn't even want to go near.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39079798] The only way I see them getting an actual punishment would be sending them to some kind of prison where you wouldn't even want to go near.[/QUOTE] I would say sending them to a Russian prison might work, but then again, the likelihood of 5 brown people, and rapists at that, surviving more than 24 hours in a Russian prison would be slim at best.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39079798]How does someone punish this kind of people then? I get that death penalty solves nothing and "an eye for an eye" punishment is illegal and brutal but... The only way I see them getting an actual punishment would be sending them to some kind of prison where you wouldn't even want to go near.[/QUOTE] the obvious solution would be to not spend money on punishment at all. I mean, it's a difficult time economically, you need to be pragmatic on what you're willing to spend money on, and as you say it wouldn't actually solve or do anything. punishment for its own sake would just be a useless money-sink.

[QUOTE=Cone;39079873]the obvious solution would be to not spend money on punishment at all. I mean, it's a difficult time economically, you need to be pragmatic on what you're willing to spend money on, and as you say it wouldn't actually solve or do anything. punishment for its own sake would just be a useless money-sink.[/QUOTE] Send them to a prison like Guantanamo or something. [editline]3rd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=snookypookums;39079820]I would say sending them to a Russian prison might work, but then again, the likelihood of 5 brown people, and rapists at that, surviving more than 24 hours in a Russian prison would be slim at best.[/QUOTE] This for example. They would probably feel some the pain they inflicted on others.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39079887]Send them to a prison like Guantanamo or something.[/QUOTE] well again, there's the problem of torture being illegal, and it's not any less illegal just because it's in a camp famed for its usage of "advanced interrogation techniques," as it's still wholly arbitrary and unnecessary, as well as being generally degrading to human dignity.

[QUOTE=Cone;39079918]well again, there's the problem of torture being illegal, and it's not any less illegal just because it's in a camp famed for its usage of "advanced interrogation techniques," as it's still wholly arbitrary and unnecessary, as well as being generally degrading to human dignity.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying the guards/prison personel would do anything with them. Conditions of the prison itself and inmates alone can take a guy to insanity.

good. also, I dislike how threads like these always turn into an arguement about death penalty.

the Russian prison system is awful, and sending some dudes in for the express intention of either killing or degrading them would only encourage this. you don't want a prison full of angry, murderous people anywhere, so why would you put them in a position where the only result is precisely the one you don't want? the Indian guys would be dead, the inmates would grow even more detached from society, and absolutely nothing would have been solved.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;39079584]Actually, it's a lot worse than that. They also slammed an iron rod up her vagina and then pulled it out with such a tremendous amount of force that her small intestines came with it. Uncomfirmed reports also suggest that her uterus was yanked out as well. By the time the doctors could do anything to try and save her she had already lost large portions of her small intestine, septocemia had set in and her large intestine as well a few other organs were affected by gangrene. Add to this the fact that they also threw her off the bus and also attempted to run her over - her boyfriend managed to pull her away in time and stop them from doing so. Hanging is too good for them. As wrong as capital punishment would be rapists, now that the charge has changed to murder, I would like to see them executed not just in public, but in the most painful manner possible. Preferably along the lines of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Despenser_the_Younger#Trial_and_execution"]Hugh Dispenser the younger[/URL] to match, brutality for brutality, what they did that to that poor girl. All she wanted to do was go out with her boyfriend, watch a movie and return home safely.[/QUOTE] I'd have them go through with that, they deserve it. Some of these guys thrive in prison, wouldn't want to take those chances. But for anyone who's going to read further into this thread, I don't fully support the death penalty, I only support it for a very small minority of people. Unlike other people who might fully support it for every murderer out there, that's not exactly the case with me though.

[QUOTE=Kirbyfactor;39079949]also, I dislike how threads like these always turn into an arguement about death penalty.[/QUOTE] and I dislike how you guys always seem perfectly fine with encouraging archaic, money-wasting methods of dealing out justice. looks as if we're two sides of the same coin