from [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8353787/Libya-mustard-gas-most-potent-chemical-weapon.html[/url]
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Mustard gas, a chemical agent that attacks the skin, eyes, and lungs, is one of the most notorious, and most potent, chemical weapons. The chemical agent was used for the first time as a weapon on a large scale during the First World War.
The deadly and dehabilitating poison inspired fear in troops because it could penetrate all protective materials and masks available at the time.
The odorless and colourless gas does not produce immediate side effects and usually takes between six and 12 hours to take hold.
It causes severe blisters and, if inhaled, can damage lungs as well as other organs. It is disabling but is not considered fatal.
Experts say mustard gas is "especially insidious" because victims suffer tissue damage before they even realise they need treatment.
Mustard gas also attacks a cell’s DNA, increasing the risk of cancer and birth defects.
Mustard agent was produced for the first time in 1822 but its harmful effects were not discovered until 1860.
It is believed to have first been used during the war near Ypres, in Flanders, Belgium, on 12th July 1917 and was fired into the trenches in shells. It is thought more than one million people were affected during the war.
Many soldiers still suffered pain up to 40 years later after first being exposed. The main injuries were to the eyes and chronic respiratory disorders.
Its other names include H, yprite, sulfur mustard and Kampstoff Lost but the name "mustard gas" was coined because the impure "agent quality" was said to have an "odour similar to that of mustard, garlic or horseradish".
It is thought that Nazi doctors tested mustard gas on concentration camp prisoners to investigate treatments for the German Army.
Experts say that mustard gas is easier to manufacture than nerve gases but harder than “weaponising” industrial chemicals such as chlorine.
Unconfirmed reports say that Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network tried to obtain the ingredients to make mustard gas in Afghan labs.
In 1989, the Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein used mustard gas and nerve gases against Kurdish residents in northern Iraq. The worst attack occurred in March 1988 in the Kurdish villageof Halabja.
Experts say Saddam launched about 280 chemical attacks against the Kurds.
There are now fears that Col Gaddafi of Libya still has stocks of mustard gas chemicals.
Dr Jean Pascal Zanders, a senior researcher at the EU Institute for Security Studies, says terrorists might consider using mustard gas to cause economic or social disruption by contaminating a transportation route but probably wouldn’t use it to cause mass casualties.
A typical result of warfare with mustard agent is that the medical system is overloaded with numerous victims who require long and demanding care.
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Why am I not surprised?
Hasn't he already said this?
Posted in Megathread, thanks for the information.
Fucking bastard better not use this against anyone or I will think VERY angry thoughts towards him!
[QUOTE=The mouse;28388897]Hasn't he already said this?[/QUOTE]
He didn't say specifically what he would use. This article is guessing he could still have some stocks left of it.
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;28388909]Posted in Megathread, thanks for the information.
Fucking bastard better not use this against anyone or I will think VERY angry thoughts towards him![/QUOTE]
now if this was said by Putin I would be quite scared
mustard is a pretty useless c-weapon, kinda WWI alike
[QUOTE=keroba2;28390815]mustard is a pretty useless c-weapon, kinda WWI alike[/QUOTE]
Read the article. If you don't have NBC gear and get exposed to that stuff, you're pretty much screwed.
My Great Uncle got gassed during the First World War. He was in and out of Veteran's hospitals for pretty much the rest of his life.
Mustard Gas is serious.
And i thought Fart in a can was bad.
Even Hitler agreed not to use mustard gas in WW2, shit is terrible.
At least he doesn't have bio weapons, I would be fucking scared if he had them.
[QUOTE=keroba2;28390815]mustard is a pretty useless c-weapon, kinda WWI alike[/QUOTE]
Yeah, multiple pulmonary edemas, chemical burns all over and in your body, pneumonia, and a fifty percent lethality rate is pretty damn useless, huh?
[QUOTE=lukepker;28391723]Even Hitler agreed not to use mustard gas in WW2, shit is terrible.[/QUOTE]
Well except for on the Jew's, he was happy to use it on them.
Yeah but the instant he starts gassing people, the gates of hell open and all of NATO descends on him and his cronies.
I'd imagine a combined NATO amphibious assault on Tripoli coupled with paratroopers bolstering rebel forces from the land side would be sufficiently destructive.
And I'm not even gonna pretend like that wouldn't make for entertaining news. Nobody gets to use amphibious assault vehicles for real anymore. Much less paratroopers. But those are the only two methods of attack that minimize civilian casualties and are fast enough to be properly executed.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28391907]Well except for on the Jew's, he was happy to use it on them.[/QUOTE]
That was Zyklon B.
[QUOTE=keroba2;28390815]mustard is a pretty useless c-weapon, kinda WWI alike[/QUOTE]
Bullets were invented somewhere around the 1500-1600s. they're old. that makes them useless right? of course not. Mustard gas is fucked up shit. My great great grandfather was hit by it, he would go missing for years at a time and return too his family like nothing happened. just because its old doesn't make it a worthless weapon.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28391907]Well except for on the Jew's, he was happy to use it on them.[/QUOTE]
FREE MUSTARDS for JEWS !
[iMg]http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1792375/2/istockphoto_1792375_yellow_mustard.jpg[/iMg]
back to topic this guy and Kim are worthless pricks on this earth (and Fox news)
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;28393464]FREE MUSTARDS for JEWS !
[img_thumb]http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1792375/2/istockphoto_1792375_yellow_mustard.jpg[/img_thumb]
back to topic this guy and Kim are worthless pricks on this earth (and Fox news)[/QUOTE]
Racist comments are not funny.
Oh wait TH89's gone we can laugh.
Too bad your joke sucked ass.
[QUOTE=Jojje;28393161]That was Zyklon B.[/QUOTE]
He did experiments on Jews in concentration camps involving mustard gas.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28402894]He did experiments on Jews in concentration camps involving mustard gas.[/QUOTE]
Yep, though they quickly found out that Zyklon B was the most efficient way of "purifying the earth"
Or whatever excuse the Nazi's used for killing millions of innocent people.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28402894]He did experiments on Jews in concentration camps involving mustard gas.[/QUOTE]
Ah, alright. Thought you meant the killing showers.
Gaddafi's an insane bastard
I really hope NATO steps in soon.
[QUOTE=keroba2;28390815]mustard is a pretty useless c-weapon, kinda WWI alike[/QUOTE]
Useless compared to other chemical weapons maybe (I mean it's not CX nerve gas), but still more than enough to kill the vast majority exposed to it.
[QUOTE=lukepker;28391723]Even Hitler agreed not to use mustard gas in WW2, shit is terrible.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'd wager he did that because he knew what happened with mustard gas, having seen the havoc it wrecks firsthand in WWI. He had thoughts of the "honor of battle", and didn't like gas weapons much because of that. Ironically, he still allowed SS to do their horrors.
[QUOTE=Fippe;28403723]Yeah, I'd wager he did that because he knew what happened with mustard gas, having seen the havoc it wrecks firsthand in WWI. He had thoughts of the "honor of battle", and didn't like gas weapons much because of that. Ironically, he still allowed SS to do their horrors.[/QUOTE]
Hitler was a two-faced prick, go figure.
I'm surprised there are no Nova 6 references in here yet.
[QUOTE=acds;28403297]Useless compared to other chemical weapons maybe (I mean it's not CX nerve gas), but still more than enough to kill the vast majority exposed to it.[/QUOTE]
It isn't actually designed to be lethal. It killed a VERY small fraction of those exposed.
Much like land mines, the goal was to incapacitate and to deny soldiers access to an area. But this was much more effective. This almost never killed anyone, required extensive treatment, could affect anyone at any time, and had symptoms that were both alien and horrifying. The incapacitation in particular was useful because dead soldiers are replaced, incapacitated soldiers are replaced AND the incapacitated soldier must be looked after. This consumes additional supplies and resources.
An anti personnel land mine just wounds a soldier and can be cleared with persistence or heavy artillery. Mustard gas can't be cleared and contaminates everything it touches. You can come into contact with someone who was gassed and get minor symptoms yourself. It contaminated people, clothing, buildings, everything. It wears off after a time, but for a while there it can basically mimic extreme radiation.
With this in mind, it is arguably the single MOST effective chemical weapon.
[QUOTE=GunFox;28404072]It isn't actually designed to be lethal. It killed a VERY small fraction of those exposed.
Much like land mines, the goal was to incapacitate and to deny soldiers access to an area. But this was much more effective. This almost never killed anyone, required extensive treatment, could affect anyone at any time, and had symptoms that were both alien and horrifying. The incapacitation in particular was useful because dead soldiers are replaced, incapacitated soldiers are replaced AND the incapacitated soldier must be looked after. This consumes additional supplies and resources.
An anti personnel land mine just wounds a soldier and can be cleared with persistence or heavy artillery. Mustard gas can't be cleared and contaminates everything it touches. You can come into contact with someone who was gassed and get minor symptoms yourself. It contaminated people, clothing, buildings, everything. It wears off after a time, but for a while there it can basically mimic extreme radiation.
With this in mind, it is arguably the single MOST effective chemical weapon.[/QUOTE]
Well that depends on what you want your chemical weapon to do. Do you want to deny access to an area, force and enemy back, neutralize an enemy or flush them out of cover. I wouldn't really say there was a "most effective chemical weapon" since it really depends on what you want to use it for.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28409887]Well that depends on what you want your chemical weapon to do. Do you want to deny access to an area, force and enemy back, neutralize an enemy or flush them out of cover. I wouldn't really say there was a "most effective chemical weapon" since it really depends on what you want to use it for.[/QUOTE]
It does all 4 of those. I think that makes it pretty damn effective.
[QUOTE=GunFox;28404072]It isn't actually designed to be lethal. It killed a VERY small fraction of those exposed.
Much like land mines, the goal was to incapacitate and to deny soldiers access to an area. But this was much more effective. This almost never killed anyone, required extensive treatment, could affect anyone at any time, and had symptoms that were both alien and horrifying. The incapacitation in particular was useful because dead soldiers are replaced, incapacitated soldiers are replaced AND the incapacitated soldier must be looked after. This consumes additional supplies and resources.
An anti personnel land mine just wounds a soldier and can be cleared with persistence or heavy artillery. Mustard gas can't be cleared and contaminates everything it touches. You can come into contact with someone who was gassed and get minor symptoms yourself. It contaminated people, clothing, buildings, everything. It wears off after a time, but for a while there it can basically mimic extreme radiation.
With this in mind, it is arguably the single MOST effective chemical weapon.[/QUOTE]
Informative
Are those the only two area denial weapons still around today? Certainly caltrops aren't really used anymore are they?
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