Philippine president Duterte gives order to free up information to crack down on corruption - Polidicks

[QUOTE]MANILA (Reuters) - Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has ordered all agencies directly under his watch to open their records to the public as part of his promise to crack down on corruption and promote transparency in government.Legislation is still needed, however, to ensure other branches of government will do the same. The last Congress adjourned without passing a new law, the Freedom of Information (FOI) act, even though Duterte's predecessor, Benigno Aquino had backed the idea. Duterte signed an executive order on Saturday (July 23) to allow public access to official documents and records, two days before he delivers a much-anticipated state of the nation address. He is expected to reiterate a pledge to weed out corrupt officials and tackle crime. Success in tackling corruption and criminality, he has said, should bring benefits on many fronts, including lowering poverty, improving government finances and making the country more attractive for investment.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/philippine-president-duterte-gives-order-to-free-up-information-to-crack-down-on?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&xtor=CS1-10[/url]

I'm not sure how tackling corruption will lower poverty as a whole, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. Especially with making it "more attractive for investment".

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50767265]I'm not sure how tackling corruption will lower poverty as a whole, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. Especially with making it "more attractive for investment".[/QUOTE] The Filipino government is notoriously corrupt. From what I hear, anything of value people will send to their family in the Phillipines to help them out is going to get stolen at some point along its route. A less corrupt government means that more money will get to where it needs to be instead of going towards a high ranking official's 2000th pair of shoes

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50767265]I'm not sure how tackling corruption will lower poverty as a whole, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. Especially with making it "more attractive for investment".[/QUOTE] graft is like a perminent tax on the poor

Good shit right here. This is how government should be run - a transparent, public agency.

Great news. [quote]Success in tackling corruption and criminality, he has said, should bring benefits on many fronts, including lowering poverty, improving government finances and making the country more attractive for investment.[/quote] Looking forward to see how Philippines looks like, within the first 6 years of his presidency.

Call the guy what you will, and label his policies as extremist, but you can't apply western standards developed in a western nation to a man whose society is far different and far less developed. By our standards, I know a lot of his more violent policies seem extremist and bad for the long term, but this is when we look at the Philippines from the mindset of someone who has lived in the US or Europe, where this kind of environment simply doesn't exist. His policies aren't applicable here and people tend to see that as a delegitimization of said policies. It's almost like saying that American frontier vigilantism was wrong when it was the only way that the American frontier had any sort of justice. We can say now, in hindsight, that it's not as good as a dedicated police station and highly funded public welfare systems, but those just we're not realistic and acheivable goals for that time in American history. The same can be said for the Philippines. Sure, legalizing the vigilante homocide of drug users, traders, manufacturers, etc. is by all means not the best method of achieving success, and a fully transparent government may seem dangerous when it comes to private and confidential criminal information, but that's only when you look at the country's problems with corruption and crime as if they're the same as a city in the US. They're not, and the temporary solution to that problem, before more lax and passive laws similar to western nations can come into fruition, the more aggressive intermediary period of people empowered law enforcement must go through.

I hope that those who are innocent aren't wrapped up in this due to guilt via association

[QUOTE=Loriborn;50767854]Call the guy what you will, and label his policies as extremist, but you can't apply western standards developed in a western nation to a man whose society is far different and far less developed. By our standards, I know a lot of his more violent policies seem extremist and bad for the long term, but this is when we look at the Philippines from the mindset of someone who has lived in the US or Europe, where this kind of environment simply doesn't exist. His policies aren't applicable here and people tend to see that as a delegitimization of said policies. It's almost like saying that American frontier vigilantism was wrong when it was the only way that the American frontier had any sort of justice. We can say now, in hindsight, that it's not as good as a dedicated police station and highly funded public welfare systems, but those just we're not realistic and acheivable goals for that time in American history. The same can be said for the Philippines. Sure, legalizing the vigilante homocide of drug users, traders, manufacturers, etc. is by all means not the best method of achieving success, and a fully transparent government may seem dangerous when it comes to private and confidential criminal information, but that's only when you look at the country's problems with corruption and crime as if they're the same as a city in the US. They're not, and the temporary solution to that problem, before more lax and passive laws similar to western nations can come into fruition, the more aggressive intermediary period of people empowered law enforcement must go through.[/QUOTE] "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." i live in hawai'i so we have bunch of filipinos here all my pinoy friends have political views ranging from a hardcore catholic conservative to a treehugging progressive but they all tell me they want duterte to lead their country. even the ones that boundless hatred for trump. reason being relating to the quote: change is impossible in the phillipines; each region have their own comic book plot-esque political dynasties with the same family or branch continuing to get elected so the status quo doesn't get changed. even the voting system is rigged. justice system is an absolute joke over there with police officers to lawyers being openly bribed and no one can do about it cause the system is broken, even the fucking internal affairs is paid out they're angry and tired, and my friends here moved to a place with fucking high ass cost of living just to get away from the phillpines no matter how much i despise duterte's methods, i really can't judge the people for voting him in: he's the status quo breaker, one that openly proclaims he is willing to suffer in hell to make sure his country is paradise / heaven our democratic system is flawed but change can happen as long people aren't apathetic. their system is outright corrupted, broken, and in need of total wrecking.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50768498]I hope that those who are innocent aren't wrapped up in this due to guilt via association[/QUOTE] Oh, they will be.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;50767854]Call the guy what you will, and label his policies as extremist, but you can't apply western standards developed in a western nation to a man whose society is far different and far less developed. By our standards, I know a lot of his more violent policies seem extremist and bad for the long term, but this is when we look at the Philippines from the mindset of someone who has lived in the US or Europe, where this kind of environment simply doesn't exist. His policies aren't applicable here and people tend to see that as a delegitimization of said policies. It's almost like saying that American frontier vigilantism was wrong when it was the only way that the American frontier had any sort of justice. We can say now, in hindsight, that it's not as good as a dedicated police station and highly funded public welfare systems, but those just we're not realistic and acheivable goals for that time in American history. The same can be said for the Philippines. Sure, legalizing the vigilante homocide of drug users, traders, manufacturers, etc. is by all means not the best method of achieving success, and a fully transparent government may seem dangerous when it comes to private and confidential criminal information, but that's only when you look at the country's problems with corruption and crime as if they're the same as a city in the US. They're not, and the temporary solution to that problem, before more lax and passive laws similar to western nations can come into fruition, the more aggressive intermediary period of people empowered law enforcement must go through.[/QUOTE] yes telling civilians to murder people for suspicion of smoking pot instead of actually going after the druglords is certainly a positive short term solution, it's not like persecuted, suffering, and desperate people are going to seek out drugs or money for drugs violently

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50768840]yes telling civilians to murder people for suspicion of smoking pot instead of actually going after the druglords is certainly a positive short term solution, it's not like persecuted, suffering, and desperate people are going to seek out drugs or money for drugs violently[/QUOTE] think of all the possible, saner solutions which im pretty sure is many cause a lot of duterte's policies are fucking insane now imagine those alternatives cannot happen or becoming extremely corrupted to the point it does the opposite in the process no matter how hard you click your dorothy shoes & wish upon a star to happen with utmost optimism. pinoys dont consider duterte's actions lawful, they consider it necessary evil to get something done for once in their country it doesnt help when pinoys see this in the headlines: [URL]http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/09/16/thousands-of-drug-pushers-users-in-biggest-surrender-under-duterte[/URL] also doesnt help when duterte can justify it even more saying he has free rehabs for drug users that is open 24/7

This is the same guy who said drug addicts should surrender or be killed right? This guy is an absolute mad man and I like him.

i don't agree with the harshness in his policies or his extremist views but this sort of reform to stomp corruption will be beneficial for the long run id love for more declassified documents under the FOI Act as well over here, part of me hopes this sends a tide of change to other nations big or small around the world

I am so glad the guy who is going to kill a lot of people is also lowering corruption. Woo.

Starting a drug ring in the phillipines is a lot more difficult and lucrative than a western nation

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;50768928]think of all the possible, saner solutions which im pretty sure is many cause a lot of duterte's policies are fucking insane now imagine those alternatives cannot happen or becoming extremely corrupted to the point it does the opposite in the process no matter how hard you click your dorothy shoes & wish upon a star to happen with utmost optimism. pinoys dont consider duterte's actions lawful, they consider it necessary evil to get something done for once in their country it doesnt help when pinoys see this in the headlines: [URL]http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/09/16/thousands-of-drug-pushers-users-in-biggest-surrender-under-duterte[/URL] also doesnt help when duterte can justify it even more saying he has free rehabs for drug users that is open 24/7[/QUOTE] More or less. Us individuals in first world states have the luxury of being able to decide whether shit like this is right or wrong. The Philippines are a fucking hellhole. No amount of pacifist feel good bullshit is going to change that either.

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50769541]More or less. Us individuals in first world states have the luxury of being able to decide whether shit like this is right or wrong. The Philippines are a fucking hellhole. No amount of pacifist feel good bullshit is going to change that either.[/QUOTE] One could also argue that it's easy to say that desperate times call for desperate measures when you don't have to worry about being the innocent collateral, or a victim of excesses that go beyond just "the ends justify the means"

If the general populace is able to kill the 6 MILLION phillipino drug abusers then they can take down the cartels by themselves. Otherwise, [QUOTE]persecuted, suffering, and desperate people are going to seek out drugs or money for drugs violently[/QUOTE] People don't stop using painkillers because you've put them through more pain, it's nonsense. Even from the most utilitarian perspective the policy makes no sense.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;50769659]One could also argue that it's easy to say that desperate times call for desperate measures when you don't have to worry about being the innocent collateral, or a victim of excesses that go beyond just "the ends justify the means"[/QUOTE] people in the phillipines worry about being an innocent collateral in political corruption, drug wars, gang violence, and etc. all the time they decided that the ends justify the means when duterte openly announced he will murder people & they still voted him in. they're so desperate that in a country where being non-catholic automatically disqualifies you for political office, they voted in someone that freely insulted their holy pope part of my job made me go to manila for few months. even though it looks like a south asian new york with all those skyscrapers, you can really see it for the third world country it is when you get out of the tourist zones

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;50768640] reason being relating to the quote: change is impossible in the phillipines; each region have their own comic book plot-esque political dynasties with the same family or branch continuing to get elected so the status quo doesn't get changed. even the voting system is rigged. [/QUOTE] The people from the mainland don't realize just how fucked the voting system is in more remote areas. The victorious party in my place(the one in complete opposition of duterte) won by buying the votes of people outside the city, even though the people in the city actually showed overwhelming support for the opposing party. Democracy at work there. In an island near mine where my aunt ran as mayor the voting system was rigged by LITERALLY BARRING PEOPLE FROM ENTERING THE PLACE and having their relatives vote INFINITELY, as much as they wanted to using the names of other residents. But no one ended up caring because it's a place in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. That's how fucked it is outside Luzon. Heck, there's even a province where the residents actually celebrate the elections because it's the time when they get to have money handed to them by politicians who buy their votes, and there's nothing that can be done about it legally because they are willing and eager to do it.