Hello. I'd like you to debate the pros and cons of Windows and Apple in this thread. Please do not start flame wars and such in this thread, but limit yourself to listing what you find is good from both platforms and what you think that it not, and maybe also explain your point of view.
Also tell us about your idea on how to improve something that doesn't work out for you!
Posting from my Mac to say: OSX... not good.
Does half the stuff for twice the price of a Windows.
[QUOTE=mac338;32376466]Posting from my Mac to say: OSX... not good.
Does half the stuff for twice the price of a Windows.[/QUOTE]This is not the kind of vague remarks this thread asks for. Please list in detail what's good and what isn't [B][I]in the OS[/I][/B] - we are not talking about the hardware here.
Mac is for professionals, or people who want to look professional... At twice the price of a windows.
Windows is for function, it does look less sexy and unprofessional, but it does more and costs less than a iMac.
Windows does more, it plays more games and programs, but iMac has better (?) professional software for film and audio editing and that stuff.
My favorite part of Windows is... The way Microsoft stands behind it. They give us so many tools to use, so many ways to accomplish things, it is just ridiculous. We have .NET(with a few fun languages to choose from), LINQ, Windows Live, Visual Studio(great free versions and even better paid versions!), Office, IE, WMP, IE, IIS, Movie Maker, Security Essentials, Windows Defender, Paint... The list just goes on and on. And for every Microsoft product you pay for, multiply that by 10 and that is what they give you for free.
Does Apple do this all? Probably. But I grew up with Windows and I'm good with it, and I absolutely favor the interface. Windows 7 is sleek, hasn't crashed for me yet, and doesn't get in the way of what I want to do.
Everyone says Microsoft is shafting us with the price of their Operating system, but their length of support and their features really makes that couple hundred bucks worth it.
Not to mention their 'not really windows related' programs like zune and their line of devices that are straight out of box compatible with windows(WP, WM, Zune) that make my Windows computer easy and simple to use and connect with. Then you add in XBox that links with Windows MEdia Center and I'm just fine. I don't need anything else.
[QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32376496]This is not the kind of vague remarks this thread asks for. Please list in detail what's good and what isn't [B][I]in the OS[/I][/B] - we are not talking about the hardware here.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. Lacking software compatibility, horrible, horrible support and nearly no control. I can't think of one thing I can do on this that I can't with my 2/3rd the price super-PC to my right.
However, though it doesn't have any unique features, it does well; A pretty UI, simple controls and it seems to be optimized to be quite fast. User-friendly, and I'd assume quite good for the casual upper-middle class family dad with a digital compact camera.
[editline]19th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Nobaddy;32376509]iMac has better (?) professional software for film and audio editing and that stuff.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't have much exclusive software. There is one 3D tracking software that's quite good on the Mac, but other then that nothing much.
[URL="http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1126420?p=32375909&viewfull=1#post32375909"]Slightly edited x-post from OpenGL/Direct3D debate[/URL]
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To me, the Windows/OSX discussion is much like the Direct3D/OpenGL one:
OSX, like Direct3D is designed to run under very specific and known circumstances, which makes them reliable and perhaps even more powerful.
Windows and OpenGL has to support a wide variety of situations and configurations, and thus lose a little stability, for a lot of versatility.
It all really boils down to whether you want to do one thing [I]really well[/I], or many things [I]well[/I].
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I'm not sure why you people are posting about the price. Here's we're comparing OSX to Windows, not Mac's to computers running Windows.
Here's my 0.02:
OS X: I like the interface. I like not having a separate menu on each application and having just a uniform menu in the menu bar (I guess it's called). Applications on OS X tend to just look more aesthetically pleasing than Window's counterparts. I like the way most applications on OS X are. Everything is packaged into a single .app file, and can be ran from anywhere. Want to "install" the program? Put it where ever you want - most people throw it in Applications folder, and run it. Want to uninstall it? Drag that application to the trash can, everything associated with that application is now gone.
Windows: Thousands more applications than OS X, more customization such as visual styles and themes.
If Apple would just sell Mac OS for twice the price and made it available for all machines, that'd be amazing.
OS X is there for those that wants a simple and super user friendly enviroment, which is the biggest fact about it. Other statements such as it is more stable are mostly pure fanboy opinions.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32376772]What does OSX do better than Windows besides some programs running slightly faster?[/QUOTE]
Without ever having used a Mac at all, I could imagine that stuff like driver installation, user-friendliness, tech-support, and component performance would be better because the platform is heavily standardized.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;32376841]OS X is there for those that wants a simple and super user friendly enviroment, which is the biggest fact about it. Other statements such as it is more stable are mostly pure fanboy opinions.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to heartily disagree with you on that fanboy remark. I am operating-system-diverse; Windows 7, OS X, Ubuntu, and Joli OS on my netbook. For mobiles I've got an Android phone and an iPad 2. Throughout my experience with both Windows 7 and OSX, I'd stand behind the fact that OSX is FAR more stable. I've yet to have OSX crash or do anything wrong on me. Windows 7, even with my very powerful 6-core machine, can still be unstable.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;32376841]OS X is there for those that wants a simple and super user friendly enviroment, which is the biggest fact about it. Other statements such as it is more stable are mostly pure fanboy opinions.[/QUOTE]
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Huh, I didn't know we had a whole subforum dedicated to shitstorms now.
Anyway, as you can probably tell, I'm using a mac, I haven't had problems with it, never really used a Windows machine, apart from a few occasions and to be honest, to me it's just the same thing but kind of harder to use. I have never fully understood why people hate macs so much and love PCs.
BEFORE you get completely butthurt I have to remind you that I have been using OSX for most of my life just because when I was younger my dad bought one and I haven't known anything else. If you took away my mac and gave me a PC, i wouldn't like it at first, but I'd adapt to it just fine. I don't hate windows, I just don't use it. There is a difference.
Also, If you're stupid enough to have arguments online about which computer is better you're evidently more stupid then the ridiculous image you build of a typically 'ignorant' mac user, which is not only ironic, it's also kind of funny too see people get pissed off over an OS. Posting because I wanted to clear that up, becaus epeople have attacked me for using Mac in the past, and personally I think that's the most fucking dumb thing I have encountered on the internet
/rage
I think OSX is a lot better with multitasking than Windows but that's the only thing I like better. Not really worth the extra cash and incompatibility.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;32376898]driver installation, user-friendliness, tech-support, and component performance would be better because the platform is heavily standardized.[/QUOTE]
Nope, yep, NOPE (worst tech support I have ever experienced) and somewhat.
It is very quiet, I'll give it that though.
[editline]19th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;32376995]I think OSX is a lot better with multitasking[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but I really hate multitasking on my Mac. It's alright when I have like 5 windows open, but when it gets more then that it gets to be a terrible mess.
Windows cluttered everywhere, it takes two clicks and not one to get to the window through the taskbar, and viewing all the windows at once is just a slow, squinty mess.
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;32376970]Huh, I didn't know we had a whole subforum dedicated to shitstorms now.
Anyway, as you can probably tell, I'm using a mac, I haven't had problems with it, never really used a Windows machine, apart from a few occasions and to be honest, to me it's just the same thing but kind of harder to use. I have never fully understood why people hate macs so much and love PCs.
BEFORE you get completely butthurt I have to remind you that I have been using OSX for most of my life just because when I was younger my dad bought one and I haven't known anything else. If you took away my mac and gave me a PC, i wouldn't like it at first, but I'd adapt to it just fine. I don't hate windows, I just don't use it. There is a difference.
Also, If you're stupid enough to have arguments online about which computer is better you're evidently more stupid then the ridiculous image you build of a typically 'ignorant' mac user, which is not only ironic, it's also kind of funny too see people get pissed off over an OS. Posting because I wanted to clear that up, becaus epeople have attacked me for using Mac in the past, and personally I think that's the most fucking dumb thing I have encountered on the internet
/rage[/QUOTE]
I think you missed the point of the thread. The original author was looking for the pros and cons of the different operating systems. No one is going to attack you for using a Mac. I don't really give a fuck what you use to be honest with you. I use Windows, I stated why, why not join the discussion and contribute?
[QUOTE=SilentOpp;32377042]I think you missed the point of the thread. The original author was looking for the pro's and con's of the different operating systems. No one is going to attack you for using a Mac. I don't really give a fuck what you use to be honest with you. I use Windows, I stated why, why not join the discussion and contribute?[/QUOTE]
I apologize for my assumption. I have been to far more... barbaric corners of the internet in which fanboyism rules everything...
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;32376970]I have never fully understood why people hate macs so much and love PCs.[/QUOTE]
It has to do with how Apple treat their customers and what you get for the price. I defiantly don't hate Macs, they have decent aspects.
[QUOTE=mac338;32377094]It has to do with how Apple treat their customers and what you get for the price. I defiantly don't hate Macs, they have decent aspects.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if you've ever used Windows Movie Maker, but being a regular user of Final Cut Pro and iMovie I wanted to literally kill someone when using WMM. It is so counter intuitive, especially for such a simple program. Plus the end result
A. looks like unprofessional shite (If you've ever seen those god awful slideshows with the blue background and the white comic sans and the 009 Sound System blaring you'll know what I'm talking about.)
B. Probably won't work
I can't say which is more stable because my macbook is under volted and my Windows desktop is over clocked. :v:
I will say that Mac's are far easier to use as long as you don't mind having fewer software options. For the most part everything installs with a single click and drag but you lose a lot of customization. With windows there are many folders that I can access easily that on a mac require quite a few terminal commands to get to.
Windows is definitely a lot cheaper, which is a redeeming factor in itself for many. Macintosh systems cost a lot to start off with - and its hard to get the Mac OS to work on any hardware that isn't an Apple product (generally speaking).
Also, Apple products appear to be pointed towards more 'simple' computer users, if you will. My gran has one, and loves it because of its simplicity, it does what she wants it to do, when she wants to do it. Sure there's specialist software - music production, video production. Arguably, some of the software on Mac can outclass their Windows alternative, an example of where this is a popular opinion is Final Cut Pro - myself, I prefer Sony Vegas, but Final Cut Pro appears to be designed with more 'professional' people in mind.
Windows does a lot more, and there is a much wider variation of software available for it. There is also a lot more ability to customize how the computer works. It's easy, it's fast, and it looks and feels how [i]you[/i] want it to.
I'm not saying either are bad as such, but Mac has a lot less features, and seems to lead to their users having an imperius complex (in my experience) where they think that Mac is the be-all-and-end-all and that they're better at computing than Bill Gates. OK, slight overreaction, but you get my drifts.
Windows however does have more features and more applications, but it doesn't have the same feel of simplicity that some users like about Mac. The down-and-dirty part is also a fair bit more accessible, even if it isn't as accessible as, say, a Linux distributable (I know Mac is based off Linux, but that doesn't count as the OS feels fairly locked down).
Myself, I have a Windows bias, but there's nothing wrong with Mac either, and I'm happy my gran likes hers.
Windows for Gaming
OS X for Work.
If given only the choice of Windows and OS X, I'd probably go with Windows.
Microsoft actually cares for their platform and they have a lot of great tools (Virtual PC, Hyper-V, Windows Server/Home Server/Server for Small Businesses, Active Directory, Exchange etc.).
I generally don't like Apple's attitude towards their customers.
[QUOTE=Bytecry;32377280]Windows for Gaming
OS X for Work.[/QUOTE]
Nothing really jumps out about OSX that makes it more capable for work. I mean most people with Macs use software that was originally designed for Windows to do work.
If you're doing something in depth with video or audio, you're going to want to go Apple.
If you play games, you're going to want a PC.
If you enjoy customization, you'll want a PC.
If you're not a computer person and don't want to spend extra time learning how to use a system well, you'll probably want to go Apple.
If you frequent Starbucks and consider yourself a screenwriter, you'll definitely need an Apple, but make sure to charge it to your parent's credit card.
If you haven't seen sunlight in the past 6 weeks, you'll probably want Linux.
If you're a reasonable person with needs regarding video/audio editing, and enjoy PC games as well as customization, then you'll want to partition boot so you don't have to be an asshole about whichever operating system you're stuck with.
[QUOTE=Sourcream&onion;32377588]If you're doing something in depth with video or audio, you're going to want to go Apple.[/QUOTE]
I will never ever understand this argument.
A Windows PC with the specs of a good Mac + Photoshop/Vegas/Premiere is WAYYY cheaper than even the most basic Mac and I'm sure Photoshop/Vegas/Premiere are much better than whatever Macs have installed by default
In my experience, Macs (and so, OSX) tend to break a lot more than Windows. I have a 10 year old desktop that's been upgraded from xp and a 3 year old laptop that's had no problems, whereas my ex-girlfriend who had all mac hardware had constant problems with everything breaking all the time. Her "superdrive" failed, her hard drive scrambled itself once when she shut it down properly, unplugged it, and moved it to another room, etc. My cousin also had a mac laptop and it failed completely in a single week because it was dropped from a height of about half a foot. My friend Nick, to add to the list of people, got a mac which I'm guessing has no thermal paste on it, as it shuts down every 2 hours due to over-heating (making it really fun for him to try and play Minecraft). To add yet ANOTHER name to the list, my friend Sam's laptop is having issues because excessive heating caused his video card to fail. Honestly every person I know who has a mac is determined to stick to them, but they're falling apart like crazy.
Conversely: my desktop has been dragged to numerous lan parties, sat in a dusty room while I'm at school for a year, run for ridiculous periods of time at high load during gaming sessions and it's still fine after about 10 years of use with only one upgrade. My laptop, similarly, has been smashed across a floor when someone tripped over the chord, taken out on a painfully bumpy speedboat ride in open ocean, been through multiple baggage claims, dropped about a hundred times from short heights (including once today) and once again it's had not a single issue, hardware or software.
That's not exactly a scientific study, but everything I mentioned has been mentioned undoubtedly factors in to the numerous studies I've seen saying that Mac laptops are unreliable, and that means that if you want to use OSX you're probably going to have to use it on a faulty system. If you want to use Windows however, you can build your own system - from parts you know are reliable. Laptops are a bit harder, but once again you can pick from a variety of companies that are known to be reliable instead of just one that seems to be unreliable.
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;32377192]I don't know if you've ever used Windows Movie Maker, but being a regular user of Final Cut Pro and iMovie I wanted to literally kill someone when using WMM. It is so counter intuitive, especially for such a simple program. Plus the end result
A. looks like unprofessional shite (If you've ever seen those god awful slideshows with the blue background and the white comic sans and the 009 Sound System blaring you'll know what I'm talking about.)
B. Probably won't work[/QUOTE]
Oh please. Both of those points are invalid anyway. The blue background, white text bullshit you see in most Youtube videos isn't caused by WMM being "shit", but the user not bothering to make it work well. If you give someone WMM, and Final Cut without any tuition in either, the output will be equally shitty from both. They don't know/ want to know how to use them properly so they spew crap.
WMM isn't great, but it is far from "unprofessional shite", it's really simple, I could probably let my parents use it and they would understand it (hint: my dad struggles with an iPhone sometimes). Like any application on any OS, it takes time to learn how to use it effectively. You could give me Vegas or whatever Adobes' answer to that is and the video would be shit [B]until I learned the program.[/B] You just fell foul to the very stereotyping you so heartily defended against in your last post.
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;32378000]I will never ever understand this argument.
A Windows PC with the specs of a good Mac + Photoshop/Vegas/Premiere is WAYYY cheaper than even the most basic Mac and I'm sure Photoshop/Vegas/Premiere are much better than whatever Macs have installed by default[/QUOTE]
We're talking about the OS here which is $29.99, compared to $129.99 of Windows. The price of Macs is aside the point, you can run OS X on most computers with a little modification.
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