• Yanukovych reverses Ukraine's position on Holodomor famine
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[IMG]http://en.rian.ru/images/15877/24/158772493.jpg[/IMG] [release] It is "unjust" to call the Stalin-era famine that killed millions across the Soviet Union a genocide of the Ukrainian people, President Viktor Yanukovych said on Tuesday. Yanukovych's statement to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) marks a complete reversal of the policy of his predecessor, Viktor Yushchenko, who sought international recognition of the 1932-1933 Great Famine, known to Ukrainians as the Holodomor, as genocide. PACE will discuss on Wednesday a report commemorating the victims of the Soviet famine that includes an amendment recognizing the Holodomor as a genocide of the Ukrainian people. "We consider it incorrect and unjust to consider the Holodomor a fact of genocide of a certain people," Yanukovych said, calling it "a common tragedy" of the Soviet people. The Ukrainian president said not only Ukrainian, but also Russian, Belarusian and Kazakh people starved during the famine. "Those were consequences of Stalin's totalitarian regime, his attitude to people," he said. More than 3 million people perished in Ukraine due to the famine, and Ukrainian nationalists say Russia, as the legal successor of the Soviet Union, should bear responsibility. Yushchenko, who was known for his anti-Russian policies as president, led Ukraine's efforts to secure international recognition of the famine as an act of genocide. Yanukovych was elected in February to succeed Yushchenko and swiftly aligned Kiev closer to Moscow, including by agreeing to extend Russia's lease on a naval base in Crimea. Russia says the famine cannot be considered an act that targeted Ukrainians, as millions of people from different ethnic groups also lost their lives in vast territories across the Soviet Union. A draft PACE resolution on the famine says it was caused by "cruel and deliberate actions and policies of the Soviet regime" responsible for the deaths of "millions of innocent people," not only in Ukraine, but also in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Moldova and Russia. Relative to its population, Kazakhstan is believed to be the worst affected Soviet republic, the document says. STRASBOURG, April 27 (RIA Novosti) [url]http://en.rian.ru/exsoviet/20100427/158772431.html[/url][/release] Man, I'm really liking this new president. And for those of you who still think the famine was a genocide, read [url=http://eh.net/pipermail/eh.net-review/2004-November/000085.html]this[/url]. It's unbiased.
The new prez is really awesome, unlike the old one who was just being a dick to Russia all the time.
[QUOTE=NotMeh;21587157]The new prez is really awesome, unlike the old one who was just being a dick to Russia all the time.[/QUOTE] He also didn't do shit as president. Just sat on his ass the whole time, that's why he wasn't elected a second term.
If it targets a specific country with a majority of a certain race like a duck, if it is aggravated massively and intentionally by a rival country or group like a duck, and if it causes the deaths of said targeted group like a duck, it's a duck. The Russians resented the Ukrainian's independent bent and set out to teach them a lesson. Also, the previous president was nearly killed by Russian-backed forces via dioxin poisoning. I doubt he would of done nothing after risking his life; he addressed massive corruption issues in the government.
What's with all the Ukraine threads lately ?
Saw the thread title and was wondering what the fuck Weird Al was doing commenting on Ukrainian politics
It was still a douchebag move
He just touched a third rail in their politics. "Holodomor" holds the same sentiment that the Poles have for Katyn. It has also proved useful for politicians drumming up nationalist sentiment unfortunately.
For the union!
I don't see how a famine can be genocide. Yeah, Stalin didn't exactly help the situation, but many people would have died regardless.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;21601622]I don't see how a famine can be genocide. Yeah, Stalin didn't exactly help the situation, but many people would have died regardless.[/QUOTE] The argument the proponents put up is that Stalin's regime had deliberately engineered the famine. That claim has been recognized by these nations, -U.S. -Japan -Argentina -Australia -Italy -Hungary -Lithuania -Georgia -Poland -Ecuador -Latvia -Mexico The European parliament also passed a resolution recognizing the Holodomor as a "crime against humanity" according to Wikipedia. The response to the famine was definitely botched but I don't buy the fact that it was engineered much less specifically targeted at wiping out Ukrainian people.
I don't know anything about the famine at all, so it's really not my place...
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;21601870]I don't know anything about the famine at all, so it's really not my place...[/QUOTE] You pretty much were right about it [QUOTE] I don't see how a famine can be genocide. Yeah, Stalin didn't exactly help the situation, but many people would have died regardless. [/QUOTE]What made the famine worse was that the older, more experience farmers, were moved up north to Russia territory (somewhere above Moscow). And a whole bunch of peasants who weren't really skilled with agriculture began farming. Unfortunately right as they began farming, there was a massive famine. It was back when the New Economic Plan had just ended or was just about to end and the economy worked differently. Each farmer had to meet a production quota of say 200 bags of grain (hypothetical amount). And whatever they produced in excess to 200 bags they could keep and do whatever they'd like (even sell it to make more profit). Well during the famine there was no way these peasants could meet this quota so whatever they produced they had to hand over. All of this food collected went to cities to be sold as food or made as bread. So yeah, the farmers had it worse than the people in the cities. :( It sucks I know. Later on in the Soviet Union, after Stalin's death, the people who died during the famine were recognized and commemorated. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Pomni.jpg[/IMG] "Remember those who starve!"
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