[QUOTE][url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2015/01/26/controversial-scientology-documentary/22337995/[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The festival's most hotly anticipated documentary did not disappoint, however. The revelations were almost as numerous as the number of lawyers HBO Documentary Films hired to vet the movie (160).
The scathing exposé directed by Alex Gibney (The Armstrong Lie) is based on Lawrence Wright's riveting 2013 bestseller. [/QUOTE]
Jesus Fuck i knew Scientology was bad, but goddamn this is fucked up.
Wow, what a bunch of fucking nutjobs. I really want to see this film now.
[quote]her infant daughter was taken away from her and left in a urine-soaked crib and unsanitary, fly-infested conditions[/quote]
what
[editline]26th January 2015[/editline]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4[/media]
obligatory
Scientology is such a shitty organization.
I bet Cruise could get in shit for this
[QUOTE=kaine123;47016868]Scientology is such a shitty organization.[/QUOTE]
You can't make fun of their religion. You're being a Scientolophobe and a racist.
[QUOTE=Explosions;47017013]You can't make fun of their religion. You're being a Scientolophobe and a racist.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to Germany, who refuse to recognize it as a real religion.
Lies! It's all lies!
Praise Xenu!
Man, I hate hearing about the cool shit showing at Sundance and knowing I have to wait, like, a year to see any of it.
people really should be pissed off at them hiding behind a fake religion threatening and tormenting anyone who speaks Il with packs of lawyers
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47017110]Tell that to Germany, who refuse to recognize it as a [b]real religion[/b].[/QUOTE]
Kind of an oxymoron imo
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;47017327]Lies! It's all lies!
Praise Xenu![/QUOTE]
Isn't xenu supposed to be the bad guy in scientology?
160 lawyers for one movie, jesus christ
[QUOTE=Sableye;47018134]people really should be pissed off at them hiding behind a fake religion threatening and tormenting anyone who speaks Il with packs of lawyers[/QUOTE]
Most people are, those packs of lawyers just make it kind of hard for anyone in any serious position to get away with saying anything.
good to see they talk about the hole, which is where scientology literally deprived their managers of food and water while cramped in a tiny room for weeks at a time. a dude was actually able to escape from the facility only to be picked up by what seemed to be paramilitary guards combing the woods for him.
hopefully they talk about the slave ships they send out to sea with a bunch of people on it that they just dump into the water if they die
[editline]26th January 2015[/editline]
scientology is absolutely fucked and it is scary how much they have in the way of resources, enough to be able to be directly tied to infiltrating the us government and not get completely shut down
Scientology is a criminal organisation and should be shut down as such. They're an insane cult and we shouldn't let them hide behind freedom of religion. Otherwise we risk another incident like the Jamestown massacre or the Tokyo sarin gas attacks.
[QUOTE=deltasquid;47019808]Scientology is a criminal organisation and should be shut down as such. They're an insane cult and we shouldn't let them hide behind freedom of religion. Otherwise we risk another incident like the Jamestown massacre or the Tokyo sarin gas attacks.[/QUOTE]
Won't happen though.
They have too much money, and in the real world, money makes right.
Incredible documentary, a bit old but it has clear evidence of Scientology spying and following, abusive tactics and other really shady shit.
A fucking top guy in the church left everything behind in the church, including his family(who also attack him in this documentary followed by 4 church officials, was 7 against 1) and told a shitload of truths, even explaining how they really were following this guy and spying on them, all over the fucking country.
[video=youtube;EIy5hfgYxrA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIy5hfgYxrA[/video]
[QUOTE=Explosions;47017013]You can't make fun of their religion. You're being a Scientolophobe and a racist.[/QUOTE]
They are not a religion in my terms, they are basically a cult.
[QUOTE=Explosions;47017013]You can't make fun of their religion. You're being a Scientolophobe and a racist.[/QUOTE]
Oh but when they refuse to recognize Jews there's some huge stink about it!
This old YTMND comes to mind.
NSFW [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1mNRBhvGts[/URL]
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47020902]They are not a religion in my terms, they are basically a cult.[/QUOTE]
What is the difference between the two? Cult is just the label the big church puts on the little one.
What's funny is that you can have a guy on a street corner with a cardboard sign ranting about magical happenings and the end of the world and he's just a crazy person. Then, if you get a few dozen or hundred people to believe in it then it's a "cult." If you get some thousands or millions it becomes a religion.
Imagine the comments in this thread if we replaced Scientology with Islam.
[QUOTE=MR-X;47016850]Wow, what a bunch of fucking nutjobs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kaine123;47016868][b]Islam[/b] is such a shitty organization.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;47017327]Lies! It's all lies!
Praise [b]Mohammed[/b]![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sableye;47018134]people really should be pissed off at them hiding behind a fake religion threatening and tormenting anyone who speaks Il with [b]credible threats of violence[/b][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=deltasquid;47019808][b]Islam[/b] is a criminal organisation and should be shut down as such. They're an insane cult and we shouldn't let them hide behind freedom of religion. Otherwise we risk another incident like [b]9/11[/b] or the [b]Charlie Hebdo[/b] attacks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47020902]They are not a religion in my terms, they are basically a cult.[/QUOTE]
Suddenly, everyone in the thread is a huge bigoted racist who doesn't understand the intricacies of the religion. It's Islamophobia to say these things about Islam, a bannable offense. But since it's a less popular religion it's fair game now.
I'm all for calling Scientology crazy, but this sounds like its just as much of a slanted telling of a three-sided story as last year's Blackfish.
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Suddenly, everyone in the thread is a huge bigoted racist who doesn't understand the intricacies of the religion. It's Islamophobia to say these things about Islam, a bannable offense. But since it's a less popular religion it's fair game now.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about you, but Scientology is way worse than any sects of Islam.
[QUOTE=Explosions;47021191]What is the difference between the two? Cult is just the label the big church puts on the little one.
What's funny is that you can have a guy on a street corner with a cardboard sign ranting about magical happenings and the end of the world and he's just a crazy person. Then, if you get a few dozen or hundred people to believe in it then it's a "cult." If you get some thousands or millions it becomes a religion.
Imagine the comments in this thread if we replaced Scientology with Islam.
Suddenly, everyone in the thread is a huge bigoted racist who doesn't understand the intricacies of the religion. It's Islamophobia to say these things about Islam, a bannable offense. But since it's a less popular religion it's fair game now.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to pay huge sums of money to be Muslim.
And Islam has a multitude of sects, while there's only one Church of Scientology.
I mean, I guess there's a small handful of independent Scientologists, but people aren't talking about them when they're saying Scientology is a criminal organization. The vast majority of Scientologists are in the Church of Scientology, whereas the vast majority of Muslims [I]aren't[/I] in terrorist organizations.
[QUOTE=Explosions;47021191]What is the difference between the two? Cult is just the label the big church puts on the little one.
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Well its more of that the Church of scientology reminds me of a cult is of their practices, complete control of your money, complete isolation from your family, and forcing children to adopt to their accustoms, and basically, making sure that whoever leaves their organization to basically shut their mouth and would send threats and death threats if not.
Thats why Tom Cruise and John Travolta can't say anything about them mostly because Tom is scared that they would go after him and kill him, and John Travolta is afraid since they will tell news media he is a queer or something else.
And why are you comparing Islam to Scientology, Islam is a thousand year old religion that is worshipped by over a billion people in the world. It is a very organized religion and most of the people in the religion are sane and are not a bunch of crazy terrorist nut jobs.
But you have scientology, a "religion" that just shows up in the middle of nowhere in the 20th century. It's mostly centered around the "contribution of money from the community". Usually, past members of the organization (if they get in the pubic eye alive) usually say how controversial and how cruel their treatments were to people that were part of the organization. And also, how fishy is it that a religion believes that humanity was created by Alien overlords. Sounds more like a science fiction author tried to create a "religion" for a good amount of cash.
And trust me, i've encountered cults before, i was with a group of people that helped break apart a cult's sanctuary in my town. The whole building was full of satanic imagery and they had their own "bible".
[QUOTE=Explosions;47021191]What is the difference between the two? Cult is just the label the big church puts on the little one.
What's funny is that you can have a guy on a street corner with a cardboard sign ranting about magical happenings and the end of the world and he's just a crazy person. Then, if you get a few dozen or hundred people to believe in it then it's a "cult." If you get some thousands or millions it becomes a religion.
Imagine the comments in this thread if we replaced Scientology with Islam.
Suddenly, everyone in the thread is a huge bigoted racist who doesn't understand the intricacies of the religion. It's Islamophobia to say these things about Islam, a bannable offense. But since it's a less popular religion it's fair game now.[/QUOTE]
Well I think there's an argument to be made on the difference of their origins, and how Islam wasn't founded by a sci-fi author who openly stated that "if you want to make money, you need to make a religion" and incorporated most of the elements from his books into his cult.
There's also how scientology prohibits psychological treatments, something that can most similarly be equated to faith healers and jehovah's witnesses, the former of which are considered radicals and often not protected under freedom of religion, and the latter which are also a cult.
Then there's how scientology is pretty much a single unified organization, unlike every other major religion but exactly like the majority of cults, and an organization that demands payment from its members, threatens and actively tortures skeptics and nonbelievers, and has made direct attempts to overthrow major governments.
There's also several practices of scientology that are regarded as more cult-like or at least archaic.
Oh and judging by your past it's highly likely you're just taking this as an opportunity to justify how you treat Islam.
Also am I the only one who misread their leader's name as miscarriage?
[QUOTE=Explosions;47021191]What is the difference between the two? Cult is just the label the big church puts on the little one.
What's funny is that you can have a guy on a street corner with a cardboard sign ranting about magical happenings and the end of the world and he's just a crazy person. Then, if you get a few dozen or hundred people to believe in it then it's a "cult." If you get some thousands or millions it becomes a religion.
Imagine the comments in this thread if we replaced Scientology with Islam.
Suddenly, everyone in the thread is a huge bigoted racist who doesn't understand the intricacies of the religion. It's Islamophobia to say these things about Islam, a bannable offense. But since it's a less popular religion it's fair game now.[/QUOTE]
This is a pretty fucking big point that you all seem to want to ignore, just because Scientology isnt as a well established as other religions doesnt mean its any more or less credible.
[sp]Never thought I'd see the day where I argue on behalf of scientology[/sp]
[QUOTE=cathal6606;47021564]This is a pretty fucking big point that you all seem to want to ignore, just because Scientology isnt as a well established as other religions doesnt mean its any more or less credible.
[sp]Never thought I'd see the day where I argue on behalf of scientology[/sp][/QUOTE]
Well its a Money scam more than anything, and it was created by a Science fiction author instead of a grand prophet or a Priest or rabbi.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;47021362]I'm all for calling Scientology crazy, but this sounds like its just as much of a slanted telling of a three-sided story as last year's Blackfish.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like a slanted telling, but it's pretty consistent with what everyone who manages to escape says.
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