Mexican man kills himself after being deported from US - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-39049670"]BBC[/URL] [QUOTE]A Mexican man has apparently taken his own life just half an hour after being deported from the United States. Guadalupe Olivas Valencia, 45, jumped from a bridge at the border after he was deported for the third time. He was found unconscious next to a plastic bag with his belongings and died in hospital a short while later. His death came as the[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39042712"] Trump administration issued new guidelines[/URL] to widen the net for deporting illegal immigrants from the US. Witnesses said Mr Olivas was shouting that he did not want to return to Mexico and seemed to be in severe distress. He jumped off a bridge just yards from El Chaparral, the main border crossing point between the US city of San Diego and Tijuana in Mexico. Local media said a plastic bag like those US customs officers put migrants' belongings in was next to the man. Mexican officials said it was the third time Mr Olivas had been deported from the US.[/QUOTE]

Fucking unbelievable.

watch hardline trump supporters say good riddance

Poor bastard, I can't imagine what was going through his head when he realized he was getting deported again.

It's almost as if a very large majority of illegal immigrants are often victims fleeing horrible conditions/persecution/war/whatever in their home country or something..

Article also notes that he was from Sinaloa, the stronghold of the cartel of the same name. If I were in his place, I'd sure as hell want out of there to never come back too.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51859658]Article also notes that he was from Sinaloa, the stronghold of the cartel of the same name. If I were in his place, I'd sure as hell want out of there to never come back too.[/QUOTE] At this point, why can they not simply be considered refugees?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51859710]At this point, why can they not simply be considered refugees?[/QUOTE] "immigrants took my jobs" and "america for americans"

There was a reddit user from Sweden that actually gave a quite good explanation why Sweden is NOT a good refugee/ME immigrant haven. The tl,dr was that due to government and unions requirements to exercise a profession, many of those immigrants end up having no job at all or directly go into mini-jobs or low wage jobs. Funnily, as most republican and democrats opposed to Bernie said: "This is not Scandinavia", the fact is that the analysis (Quite sound if you ask me) made by the Swedish guy doesn't apply to US. The US can actually incorporate latino refugees quite easily because there is a large population now adding to the US economy, communities are large enough to incorporate those who don't arrive speaking English and there is a support net for them to progress from jobs to gov programs. Plus, they send money back to their families so it benefits both countries. It's a shame. Trump policies will be undoing of southern US and northern Mexico....

Bad decisions all around. The US shouldn't have deported him and he shouldn't have killed himself.

I feel bad for the guy and do agree that some parts of Mexico under Cartel control can warrant real refugee status in some cases. Just because someone will ask; I still support stronger borders, I just understand this a unfortunate case, that a humanitarian approach/safe zone policy would be more appropriate to solve the problem than just more immigration though.

[QUOTE]after he was deported for the [B]third time[/B].[/QUOTE] You would think he would have learned it ends in tears.

[Quote]One memo, from Homeland Security chief John Kelly, includes instructions to enforce an existing provision of the US Immigration and Nationality Act that allows authorities to send some people caught illegally at the border back to Mexico, [B]regardless of where they are from.[/B][/quote] Fuck these racists fucks.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;51860166]Fuck these racists fucks.[/QUOTE] Yeah fuck laws and shit

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51860177]Yeah fuck laws and shit[/QUOTE] It's not about the law, it's about their grouping of anyone south of the border into "Mexican". You could be an illegal Swede, and they'd be sending you to Mexico based on this quote. That's also assuming Mexico would take people they deport. As if it's Mexico's burden for some reason.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;51860166]Fuck these racists fucks.[/QUOTE] Coming from a bad place doesn't give you the clear to attempt to illegally immigrate. It's a shitty situation, I agree. [I]Most[/I] people who come here do so out of desperation, and there are many more heartbreaking cases next to this one. But these people have a job to do, and it's not an easy job. I think we should have a sort of refugee program for people from truly terrible situations. But I'm not the President or Chief. When my dad worked the border in Del Rio, they would catch people all the time and have to send them back, and they truly felt bad for these people, they really did. It's not racism, it's the law. If you don't like it, try and fix it before getting too pissed. [editline]22nd February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Alxnotorious;51860204]It's not about the law, it's about their grouping of anyone south of the border into "Mexican". You could be an illegal Swede, and they'd be sending you to Mexico based on this quote. That's also assuming Mexico would take people they deport. As if it's Mexico's burden for some reason.[/QUOTE] If you come through a border, they're going to put you back on the other side of that border. It's not up to Customs to fly you back to your home. Most the time they just try again the next day, anyway.

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51860177]Yeah fuck laws and shit[/QUOTE] I remember reading something about the letter and the spirit of the law instead of making blanket asinine decisions to deport everybody, but also dealing with things on a case by case basis. Why not, as BDA said, accept people like this as refugees? even a few such instances would go a long way to mending bridges, instead of seeing tragedies like this were somebody chose to die than be deported back to a crime ridden hellhole.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;51860204]It's not about the law, it's about their grouping of anyone south of the border into "Mexican". You could be an illegal Swede, and they'd be sending you to Mexico based on this quote. That's also assuming Mexico would take people they deport. As if it's Mexico's burden for some reason.[/QUOTE] It states caught illegally at the border. If you're an illegal swede crossing from Mexico to the United States it's logical for you to be handed to back to Mexico seeing that you crossed from there.

Should also note that this is specifically at a border crossing. They kind of don't have a choice but to send you back if you're caught at a border. If you're known inland somewhere, perhaps you're easier to let slide by. But if they find you in the back of someones truck, they're not just going to pretend you're not there and let you go. Not with current laws at least.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51860219]I remember reading something about the letter and the spirit of the law instead of making blanket asinine decisions to deport everybody, but also dealing with things on a case by case basis. Why not, as BDA said, accept people like this as refugees? even a few such instances would go a long way to mending bridges, instead of seeing tragedies like this were somebody chose to die than be deported back to a crime ridden hellhole.[/QUOTE] Yeah but to what end? Yeah it's no doubt a shitty situation but do we just annex the north part of Mexico because it sucks? Or just a handful of people?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51859710]At this point, why can they not simply be considered refugees?[/QUOTE] Because they aren't rich

@OvB, fair enough, but the wording of that combined with my lack of knowledge into any Mexico-US border agreements just makes it appear like they don't give a damn about it as long as it's not our problem.

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51860177]Yeah fuck laws and shit[/QUOTE] We used to have laws that said that women and black people couldn't vote. We realised that was fucking terrible and changed them. Same should go for immigration laws.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;51860204]It's not about the law, it's about their grouping of anyone south of the border into "Mexican". You could be an illegal Swede, and they'd be sending you to Mexico based on this quote. That's also assuming Mexico would take people they deport. As if it's Mexico's burden for some reason.[/QUOTE] Per my understanding, it means if someone is trying to come in illegally from Mexico it boots them back to Mexico; not because they are profiled as "Mexican" but to push them back from the direction they came in. Not taking an illegal immigrant, say, from Cuba (who came over via boat) and dumping them into Mexico just because.

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51860232]Yeah but to what end? Yeah it's no doubt a shitty situation but do we just annex the north part of Mexico because it sucks? Or just a handful of people?[/QUOTE] We need to put extreme pressure on Mexico to end their cartel wars. (legalizing some drugs might help this through supply/demand). We should help them do it where we can. Even if that means a flat out military coalition in the Cartel controlled areas. If people are fleeing to the States as refugees, it's as much of our problem as it is Mexico's. It's a continental crisis.

[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;51860251]Per my understanding, it means if someone is trying to come in illegally from Mexico it boots them back to Mexico; not because they are profiled as "Mexican" but to push them back from the direction they came in. Not taking an illegal immigrant, say, from Cuba (who came over via boat) and dumping them into Mexico just because.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's the situation I was afraid of. I can't imagine striking out from, as in this example Cuba, and ending up stuck in Mexico.

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51860232]Yeah but to what end? Yeah it's no doubt a shitty situation but do we just annex the north part of Mexico because it sucks? Or just a handful of people?[/QUOTE] You don't have to annex anything, don't make policy decisions that could lead to a worsening of the internal situation in Mexico, such as squeezing them for money to build some form of wall after paying American dollars to build it, and threatening sanctions if they dont cough up. Instead of using blanket orders to prevent individuals from entering the country altogether, review this on a case by case basis. If somebody commits a crime, then arrest and deport them back to Mexico. Three simple methods that will deal with the problem more effectively while other more serious issues, such as a lack of jobs, can be looked at first.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51860246]We used to have laws that said that women and black people couldn't vote. We realised that was fucking terrible and changed them. Same should go for immigration laws.[/QUOTE] That's a false equivalence if I ever saw one.

[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;51860251]Per my understanding, it means if someone is trying to come in illegally from Mexico it boots them back to Mexico; not because they are profiled as "Mexican" but to push them back from the direction they came in. Not taking an illegal immigrant, say, from Cuba (who came over via boat) and dumping them into Mexico just because.[/QUOTE] With Cuba however, if you make it to the USA, you're given amnesty. [url]http://immigration.about.com/od/immigrationlawandpolicy/a/U-S-Allows-Cuban-Migrants-Different-Treatment.htm[/url] Perhaps we should do something similar for potential refugees from Central America?

[QUOTE=OvB;51860257]We need to put extreme pressure on Mexico to end their cartel wars. (legalizing some drugs might help this through supply/demand). We should help them do it where we can. Even if that means a flat out military coalition in the Cartel controlled areas. If people are fleeing to the States as refugees, it's as much of our problem as it is Mexico's. It's a continental crisis.[/QUOTE] Fixing the problem at the source like this is something I think all parties could get behind.