• $600-700 Budget Build
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I'll be frank in that I have minimal idea as to what I'm doing. [url]http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cuon/saved/3uWV[/url] [quote][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/nmWhZKK.png[/IMG][/quote] Currently, I put together the list above, but even then half of that I just ripped from Levelog's [url]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2EeGz[/url] I do not need any peripherals and am currently running with a 1440x900 monitor. The only thing on that list I'm absolutely attached to is the case. I do have someone who can help teach me to put it together. The only side note is that I'd prefer to keep it closer to $600, and I'm wondering how fast that build might heat up; my dorm room has poor ventilation.
[URL]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2ESM9[/URL] better ram, CPU, full size ATX mobo, Little bit better GPU(not a huge difference if you want to stay Nvidia). I went with 500W because that is all you need, but if you want the 600W get it because they are the exact same price right now. And about the cooling the stock cooler will do fine at first but a little down the road throw a Hyper 212 EVO on it and you will be fine. The CPU from i3 to i5 is worth the upgrade in my opinion it performs a lot better.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;43615465][URL]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2ESM9[/URL] better ram, CPU, full size ATX mobo, Little bit better GPU(not a huge difference if you want to stay Nvidia). I went with 500W because that is all you need, but if you want the 600W get it because they are the exact same price right now. And about the cooling the stock cooler will do fine at first but a little down the road throw a Hyper 212 EVO on it and you will be fine. The CPU from i3 to i5 is worth the upgrade in my opinion it performs a lot better.[/QUOTE] This seems like a good setup, so I'll definitely save it for now. ATM I have around $550 and am waiting for oddjobs/birthday money to boost me to $700. This seems very doable for me, thanks.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;43615465][URL]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2ESM9[/URL] better ram, CPU, full size ATX mobo, Little bit better GPU(not a huge difference if you want to stay Nvidia). I went with 500W because that is all you need, but if you want the 600W get it because they are the exact same price right now. And about the cooling the stock cooler will do fine at first but a little down the road throw a Hyper 212 EVO on it and you will be fine. The CPU from i3 to i5 is worth the upgrade in my opinion it performs a lot better.[/QUOTE] You should go for the modular version that's called the CX500M instead of the CX500, the price difference is 2$ and well worth the loss of cable clutter Like hydra mentioned, however, the 600W modular version costs the same(10$ difference without mail-in-rebates, the same price with them), so there's no real reason not to get them if the prices stay that way
Better cpu Cheapest 8gb ram Better cooler Better gpu $70 under budget [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2H6fJ]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2H6fJ/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2H6fJ/benchmarks/]Benchmarks[/url] [b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox]AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor[/url] ($119.99 @ Newegg) [b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-cpu-cooler-rcrst4001]NZXT Respire T40 68.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler[/url] ($29.98 @ OutletPC) [b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-970ag46]MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard[/url] ($69.99 @ Newegg) [b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls8g3d1339ds1s00]Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory[/url] ($59.99 @ Newegg) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($64.99 @ Newegg) [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100354oc2l]Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card[/url] ($174.99 @ Newegg) [b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-s210e002]NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($44.98 @ Best Buy) [b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600]Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($57.99 @ Newegg) [b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas]Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($16.99 @ Newegg) [b]Total:[/b] $629.89 [i](Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)[/i] [i](Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-24 23:15 EST-0500)[/i] [editline]25th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;43615465][URL]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2ESM9[/URL] better ram, CPU, full size ATX mobo, Little bit better GPU(not a huge difference if you want to stay Nvidia). I went with 500W because that is all you need, but if you want the 600W get it because they are the exact same price right now. And about the cooling the stock cooler will do fine at first but a little down the road throw a Hyper 212 EVO on it and you will be fine. The CPU from i3 to i5 is worth the upgrade in my opinion it performs a lot better.[/QUOTE] Overpriced ram, the only difference is the heat sink which doesn't matter unless you get a case with a window Sacrificing gpu performance to upgrade to i5 is NOT worth it $711
Except the R9 270 is still a good card? There's no reason to get the 270X vs the 270 since there's only a slight increase in speed. You're also adding 1 8 gig ram stick for a machine that will honestly never need 16 gigs unless you get a major upgrade.
[QUOTE=Death_God;43661803]Except the R9 270 is still a good card? There's no reason to get the 270X vs the 270 since there's only a slight increase in speed. You're also adding 1 8 gig ram stick for a machine that will honestly never need 16 gigs unless you get a major upgrade.[/QUOTE] I always thought there was a bigger difference No idea what the hell you're talking about with the ram, i chose the cheapest 8gb kit I edited my post
If you have a single stick of ram opposed to dual-channel you're going to get less performance only time you should really get a single stick of ram is if you're planning on getting another one over time but there's no point in upgrading this build to 16 gigs
[QUOTE=Death_God;43662170]If you have a single stick of ram opposed to dual-channel you're going to get less performance only time you should really get a single stick of ram is if you're planning on getting another one over time but there's no point in upgrading this build to 16 gigs[/QUOTE] More bandwidth won't give you more fps, the difference between single channel 1066 and dual channel 2133 is <1fps I chose it because it's the cheapest not for upgradability
It'll matter for multitasking? Also it's a common fact ram speed doesn't do shit for gaming so I don't know where you got the assumption where I said that it'll improve the FPS
[QUOTE=Death_God;43662294]It'll matter for multitasking? Also it's a common fact ram speed doesn't do shit for gaming so I don't know where you got the assumption where I said that it'll improve the FPS[/QUOTE] No difference, plain and simple
[QUOTE=Kevin3212;43661471]Better cpu Cheapest 8gb ram Better cooler Better gpu $70 under budget [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2H6fJ]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2H6fJ/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2H6fJ/benchmarks/]Benchmarks[/url] [b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox]AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor[/url] ($119.99 @ Newegg) [b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-cpu-cooler-rcrst4001]NZXT Respire T40 68.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler[/url] ($29.98 @ OutletPC) [b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-970ag46]MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard[/url] ($69.99 @ Newegg) [b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls8g3d1339ds1s00]Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory[/url] ($59.99 @ Newegg) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($64.99 @ Newegg) [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100354oc2l]Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card[/url] ($174.99 @ Newegg) [b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-s210e002]NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($44.98 @ Best Buy) [b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600]Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($57.99 @ Newegg) [b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas]Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($16.99 @ Newegg) [b]Total:[/b] $629.89 [i](Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)[/i] [i](Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-24 23:15 EST-0500)[/i] [editline]25th January 2014[/editline] Overpriced ram, the only difference is the heat sink which doesn't matter unless you get a case with a window Sacrificing gpu performance to upgrade to i5 is NOT worth it $711[/QUOTE] The FX 6300 is a [B]terrible[/B] processor for gaming, even the lowest i5 (like I put in the build) will still beat a 6300, even a i3 can beat it in most applications. The ram was just a preference and doesn't matter that much if changed, but 1 stick of 8gb? Picking the cheapest isn't always better. dual channel is better than single channel. Also, all ram right now really is "overpriced" and if you catch the vengeance ram on a good sale(which they have often) it's a better choice.
If you really need a budget processor then you should get the FX 8320/50, but other than that it's okay.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;43663150]The FX 6300 is a [B]terrible[/B] processor for gaming, even the lowest i5 (like I put in the build) will still beat a 6300, even a i3 can beat it in most applications. The ram was just a preference and doesn't matter that much if changed, but 1 stick of 8gb? Picking the cheapest isn't always better. dual channel is better than single channel. Also, all ram right now really is "overpriced" and if you catch the vengeance ram on a good sale(which they have often) it's a better choice.[/QUOTE] The 6300 is much better in multithreaded take(games are starting to use more threads), so it's okay to spend more for literally [b]NOTHING?[/b] the difference between single channel and dual channel is also [b]NOTHING[/b](<.5fps) [editline]25th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Death_God;43663179]If you really need a budget processor then you should get the FX 8320/50, but other than that it's okay.[/QUOTE] No not the 8350
[QUOTE=Kevin3212;43665520]The 6300 is much better in multithreaded take(games are starting to use more threads), so it's okay to spend more for literally [b]NOTHING?[/b] the difference between single channel and dual channel is also [b]NOTHING[/b](<.5fps)[/QUOTE] Even if games are starting to use more threads, the AMD side still isn't able to perform as well and you have the dumbest arguements, so what, some games are starting to use more threads, that doesn't mean it's going to shoot a 6300 above a 4430... I wasn't saying in gaming applications about the ram, as another person said as well, it will help in multitasking. You are a 13 year old who thinks he knows everything when half of your 30 posts are just either stupid or wrong.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;43666851]it will help in multitasking. [/QUOTE] Please elaborate 6300 beats the 3220 in both games and i think they only use up to 2 cores [url]http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/699?vs=677[/url] Heres your damn dual channel memory [url]http://pcpartpicker.com/part/geil-memory-gev38gb1333c9dc[/url]
[QUOTE=Kevin3212;43666960]Please elaborate[/QUOTE] Dual-channel gives you a combination of twice the bandwidth and half the cache line fill latency, it makes about a 10-20% performance increase. Which will help out in memory intensive applications. Show me where on this benchmark that you linked ( [url]http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/699?vs=677[/url] ) where it beats it in a "game" I seen no game benchmarks....
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;43667001]Dual-channel gives you a combination of twice the bandwidth and half the cache line fill latency, it makes about a 10-20% performance increase. Which will help out in memory intensive applications. Show me where on this benchmark that you linked ( [url]http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/699?vs=677[/url] ) where it beats it in a "game" I seen no game benchmarks....[/QUOTE] Can you give me an example of a memory intensive application? That benefit from faster memory?* "Windows - skyrim" "Windows 8 Diablo 3" [url]http://i.imgur.com/W5wrveU.jpg[/url]
How about next time you don't be a dick and show off your ipad to prove a point, yes I overlooked that, but I was saying a 6300 against a 4430, not an i3, dual cores are known to be a little finicky with games because of their lack of cores. I'm not going to sit here a name off a bunch of memory intensive applications, but there is a ton.
[QUOTE=Kevin3212;43665520]The 6300 is much better in multithreaded take(games are starting to use more threads), so it's okay to spend more for literally [B]NOTHING?[/B] the difference between single channel and dual channel is also [B]NOTHING[/B](<.5fps) [editline]25th January 2014[/editline] No not the 8350[/QUOTE] The only decently multithreaded games currently out or close to release that actually spend multiple threads properly are BF3, the crysis series and Watch_Dogs. You could add far cry 3's engine to the list, but it's irrelevant as any modern CPU able to run four threads runs it properly. There's no other true next-gen engines incoming that'll suffer on a i5. To save 80$ on costs, or a "whopping" 11%, you give away significant performance in [I]every legacy game[/I]? Why? For that matter, the i5 has one [B]more[/B] core than the 6300 you recommend, if you count one AMD module as a core. Don't give me AMD's "one module is two cores" sales pitch, as the only thing the cores in a module have for their own is a tiny L1 cache. You might as well count them as one core with hyperthreading. Having the ability to run 6 threads isn't relevant when it's the equivalent of 3 out of 4 threads on the competitor's processor. The only thing your argument really consists of is "it costs 100$ less", which is silly when you use that as an argument against a product that's superior in most aspects relevant to the OP. Unless the OP finds the 11% price increase to be too significant, there's no reason to even consider your build as it's literally inferior in a majority of games. Let me put it this way, most of the games coming out the next years weren't developed with the next-gen consoles in mind, but developed for older hardware and then ported to them. This means that they won't take advantage of multiple threads like AMD processors require. By the time the 6 threads of the FX6300 will be an advantage over the 4 threads of the i5, both processors will be obsolete and replaced by newer, significantly better series(unless there's no CPU progress for the next 3 years). Plus, the FX6300 doesn't even have the 8 threads that true next-gen games will be optimised for. Oops. Hell, if the money's actually a big issue, [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2HnO1"]this ivy bridge i5[/URL] build(modified hydra3's) is barely 5% above yours and still better. There really isn't a reason to sacrifice single-threaded performance at all.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;43667088]How about next time you don't be a dick and show off your ipad to prove a point, yes I overlooked that, but I was saying a 6300 against a 4430, not an i3, dual cores are known to be a little finicky with games because of their lack of cores. I'm not going to sit here a name off a bunch of memory intensive applications, but there is a ton.[/QUOTE] Oh i thought the 4430 was an i3, must have been confused with the 4340
no it's an i5. 4340 is an i3 whatever.
Oh, and dual-channel memory, memory frequency and CAS latency might not affect game performance, but that doesn't mean it's irrelevant for the rest of the computer. There's a reason higher budget builds usually get an SSD squeezed in, even if they have no effect on FPS for games(that aren't storage-bound for some god-awful reason)
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