Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism And Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit - Polidicks

[QUOTE] The exit of engineer Julie Ann Horvath from programming network GitHub has sparked yet another conversation concerning women in technology and startups. Her claims that she faced a sexist internal culture at GitHub came as a surprise to some, given her former defense of the startup, and her internal work at the company to promote women in technology. In her initial tweets on her departure, Horvath did not provide extensive clarity on why she left the highly valued startup, or who created the conditions that led to her leaving and publicly repudiating the company. Horvath has given TechCrunch her version of the events, a story that contains serious allegations towards GitHub, its internal policies, and its culture. The situation has greater import than a single person’s struggle: Horvath’s story is a tale of what many underrepresented groups feel and experience in the tech sector. [/QUOTE] [url=http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/15/julie-ann-horvath-describes-sexism-and-intimidation-behind-her-github-exit/]Source 1[/url] [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581981/High-profile-female-programmer-quits-GitHub-series-harassment-allegations-emerge-against-open-source-start-up.html]Source 2[/url] Totally no sexism in the industry guys.

Ex employees are never bitter

This is clearly a feminist conspiracy!!1

nobody will read the article and the title of this thread is shitty. julie was mistreated, but in this case, I don't think her problems stems from being a women.

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;44257227]julie was mistreated, but in this case, I don't think her problems stems from being a women.[/QUOTE] [quote]In short, Horvath said that she felt she was being treated differently internally simply due to her gender and not the quality of her work. She calls her colleagues’ response to her own work and the work of other female GitHub employees a “serious problem.” Despite GitHub hiring more female developers, Horvath said she struggled to feel welcome.[/quote]

[QUOTE=supersnail11;44257308][/QUOTE] oh I get it, it's just that her situation is not a poster case for sexism. her boss's wife being a bitch doesn't make it about sexism.

[QUOTE=Appellation;44256829]Ex employees are never bitter[/QUOTE] It's not like she was fired, and it's not like these are the first allegations of discrimination at Github

[QUOTE=supersnail11;44257308][/QUOTE] I'd like to know how the other women at the company feel. If only Horvath "struggled to feel welcome" then I think there's more to this story.

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;44257404]oh I get it, it's just that her situation is not a poster case for sexism. her boss's wife being a bitch doesn't make it about sexism.[/QUOTE] [quote]While the above was going on, Horvath had what she referred to as an awkward, almost aggressive encounter with another GitHub employee, who asked himself over to “talk,” and then professed his love, and “hesitated” when asked to leave. Horvath was in a committed relationship at the time, something this other employee was well aware of, according to her. The rejection of the other employee led to something of an internal battle at GitHub. According to Horvath, the engineer, “hurt from my rejection, started passive-aggressively ripping out my code from projects we had worked on together without so much as a ping or a comment. I even had to have a few of his commits reverted. I would work on something, go to bed, and wake up to find my work gone without any explanation.” The employee in question, according to Horvath, is both “well-liked at GitHub” and “popular in the community.” His “behavior towards female employees,” according to Horvath, “especially those he sees as opportunities is disgusting.”[/quote] [quote]According to Horvath, the founder accused her of “threatening his wife, who she had “not interacted with or contacted since [the wife] asked [her] out to drinks.” Horvath cried during the episode, as she said the founder both “chastised” her, and called her a “liar.” He ended the meeting by saying that it was “bad judgement” to date coworkers (referring to her relationship, which was with another employee at GitHub) and then left. Horvath recalls sitting there after his departure both “crying and shaking uncontrollably.”[/quote] [quote]Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this. What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to male coworkers, they didn’t see a problem with it. But for me it felt unsafe and to be honest, really embarrassing. That was the moment I decided to finally leave GitHub.[/quote] It's not just the wife.

[QUOTE=Appellation;44256829]Ex employees are never bitter[/QUOTE] You do know she quit, right? She wasn't fired. There's a big difference when listening to people complain about a company when they quit compared to when they're fired.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;44257519]It's not just the wife.[/QUOTE] Jesus that's a lot of personal persecution.

computer engineer, computer science, and programming majors in general tend to have some really stuck up people who do shit like this

Sounds like a lot of bad management.

[QUOTE=Sableye;44257718]computer engineer, computer science, and programming majors in general tend to have some really stuck up people who do shit like this[/QUOTE] Yeah I've seen it too. It's def not just aimed towards women but often engineers sees themselves as better than others.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;44257610]Jesus that's a lot of personal persecution.[/QUOTE] What do you mean by that?

I think she screwed up in two ways. 1) The bosses, especially in smaller less public organizations, can always be expected to share info and company access with spouses and/or other family and close friends. They are the bosses of course they can! To be an employee and think your boss's wife should be totally clueless about what goes on there AND that she has no influence on her husband's decision making AND that she will have no access to the office network and information is just naive. 2) Never cry when discussing business and work related issues with company officials. What are you, a child? The moment you start crying you lose any respect you might have had as an adult. Take that shit offsite. In these articles she comes across as a stereotypical drama queen instead of a professional.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;44258041]In these articles she comes across as a stereotypical drama queen instead of a professional.[/QUOTE] Except she's not, she's a professional who was treated very unfairly. Writing these people off as "drama queens" instead of actually recognizing the issue is part of the problem.

There's only one side of this story so it's very hard to make anything of this.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;44258027]What do you mean by that?[/QUOTE] I meant that she was personally persecuted, esp by that dumb passive-aggressive engineer.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;44258041]I think she screwed up in two ways. 1) The bosses, especially in smaller less public organizations, can always be expected to share info and company access with spouses and/or other family and close friends. They are the bosses of course they can! To be an employee and think your boss's wife should be totally clueless about what goes on there AND that she has no influence on her husband's decision making AND that she will have no access to the office network and information is just naive. [B]2) Never cry when discussing business and work related issues with company officials. What are you, a child? The moment you start crying you lose any respect you might have had as an adult. Take that shit offsite.[/B] In these articles she comes across as a stereotypical drama queen instead of a professional.[/QUOTE] are you for real?? he was probably going "wtf why are u threatening my wife????" "i haven't talked to her since she asked me for drinks" "dont lie to me why are you threatening her"

w-wahhh im entitled to this job and everyone in the workplace must bow to my needs and feelings. Just grow up ms julie, you're a big enough girl now to be able to make decisions like not working somewhere if you don't like it. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("immick" - Swebonny))[/highlight]

The Sex Card is probably going to be used more than the Race Card soon.

[QUOTE=DestinyDstryr;44260193]w-wahhh im entitled to this job and everyone in the workplace must bow to my needs and feelings. Just grow up ms julie, you're a big enough girl now to be able to make decisions like not working somewhere if you don't like it.[/QUOTE] because sexual harassment is totally ok in the workplace

[QUOTE=DestinyDstryr;44260193]w-wahhh im entitled to this job and everyone in the workplace must bow to my needs and feelings. Just grow up ms julie, you're a big enough girl now to be able to make decisions like not working somewhere if you don't like it.[/QUOTE] i mean we are still waiting for githubs version of this but holy shit did you even read the article? according to her another employee professed his love for her and when she denied him he [B]started randomly deleting some of her code[/B]. are you seriously saying thats okay? like, i would be uncomfortable as fuck if that happened where i work at regardless of whether it happened to me or someone else.

[QUOTE=Croix;44260289]i mean we are still waiting for githubs version of this but holy shit did you even read the article? according to her another employee professed his love for her and when she denied him he [B]started randomly deleting some of her code[/B]. [/QUOTE] what does this mean? how can you randomly delete parts of people's code if its already committed to the repository? it would be clear if he started deleting code, because the logs would say he deleted it.

[QUOTE=Croix;44260289]i mean we are still waiting for githubs version of this but holy shit did you even read the article? according to her another employee professed his love for her and when she denied him he [B]started randomly deleting some of her code[/B]. are you seriously saying thats okay?[/QUOTE] also the other employee knew that she was in a relationship at the time like wtf if this was a dude you'd all be like "nice" unwanted sexual advances, by their very name, are unwanted

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44260311]what does this mean? how can you randomly delete parts of people's code if its already committed to the repository? it would be clear if he started deleting code, because the logs would say he deleted it.[/QUOTE] she said she had to revert some of his commits because of it, who knows how he got away with it. according to her he was well liked at the workplace. of course, this IS her version of the story so it's impossible to say how accurate it is just yet

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44260311]what does this mean? how can you randomly delete parts of people's code if its already committed to the repository? it would be clear if he started deleting code, because the logs would say he deleted it.[/QUOTE] it''s obviously being dumbed down so i'm not sure if it's rolling back commits or just tearing out her code and recommitting without it

[QUOTE=DestinyDstryr;44260193]w-wahhh im entitled to this job and everyone in the workplace must bow to my needs and feelings. Just grow up ms julie, you're a big enough girl now to be able to make decisions like not working somewhere if you don't like it.[/QUOTE] except you're missing the part where it's normal to expect to be able to come to your workplace and not have to experience someone's euphoric butthurt just because you don't want to go out with them

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;44260465]except you're missing the part where it's normal to expect to be able to come to your workplace and not have to experience someone's euphoric butthurt just because you don't want to go out with them[/QUOTE] I bet he got his best my little pony jacket dry cleaned before asking her out too stupid stuck up bitch doesnt understand quality Seriously though, this shit is pretty much indefensible yet people in the tech industry are always the first to defend it. It's a bunch of manchildren.