Putin reveals sanctions against Turkey.

[Cypher_09]

The wide-ranging sanctions unleashed on Turkey (by its 2nd largest trade partner) include a ban on Turkish workers (with estimates that 90,000 will be fired by Jan 1 2016), restrictions on imported goods and services provided by Turkey, and scraps visa-free travel and bans charter flights (implicitly hurting a major part of Turkey's domestic industry). Finally, Putin calls for "strengthening of port control and monitoring to ensure transport safety," hinting at the fears many have voiced over whether Turkey shutting the Bosphorous in an escalation would be seen as an act of war.

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[url=http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=636854]As Interfax reports,[/url]

[quote]
Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree "On measures to ensure Russian national security and to protect Russian citizens from criminal and other unlawful actions and the application of special economic measures with respect to the Turkish Republic," the Kremlin press office said on Saturday.

The decree introduces temporary ban or restrictions on import by Russia of certain types of goods, whose country of origin is Turkey, which are stipulated in the list determined by the Russian government (except the good imported for personal use in an amount permitted by the law of the Eurasian Economic Union).

The decree also bans or restricts organizations, which fall under the Turkish jurisdiction, from providing certain types of services in Russia, which are stipulated in the list determined by the Russian government.

In addition, employers and contractors of services which are not stipulated in the list determined by the Russian government, are banned, starting from January 1, 2016, from employing Turkish citizens who were not employed or contracted by such employers and contractors as at December 31, 2015.
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Here's why this will hurt Turkey:

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Full Kremlin statement of actions (Russian source: [url]http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50805[/url])

[quote]The decree on measures to ensure Russia's national security and protection of Russian citizens from criminal and other illegal activities and the application of special economic measures against Turkey

Vladimir Putin signed a decree "On measures to ensure the national security of the Russian Federation and the protection of Russian citizens from criminal and other illegal activities and the use of special economic measures against the Republic of Turkey."

November 28th, 2015 20:15
The text of the document:

In order to protect national security and national interests of the Russian Federation to protect Russian citizens from criminal and other illegal acts, and in accordance with the federal law of 30 December 2006 ? 281-FZ "On special economic measures" and on 28 December 2010 ? 390-FZ "On security" decree:

1. The authorities of the Russian Federation, federal government agencies, local authorities, legal entities, formed under the laws of the Russian Federation, organizations and individuals under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, in its work to proceed from the fact that in the Russian Federation input time:

a) prohibition or restriction of foreign economic operations involving import into the Russian Federation of certain goods whose country of origin is the Republic of Turkey, on a list established by the Government of the Russian Federation (except for goods imported for personal use to the extent permitted by law of the Eurasian Economic Union);

b) the prohibition or restriction for organizations under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Turkey on the implementation of (provision) of certain types of work (services) in the territory of the Russian Federation on a list established by the Government of the Russian Federation;

c) prohibition for employers, customers of works (services) are not included in the list determined by the Government of the Russian Federation, to attract to January 1, 2016 in order to work, works (services) of workers citizens of the Republic of Turkey who are not labor and (or) civil-legal relations with these employers, customers of works (services) as of December 31, 2015

2. Pause from 1 January 2016 in accordance with the Federal Law of July 15, 1995 ? 101-FZ "On international treaties of the Russian Federation", and paragraph 1 of Article 10 of the Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Republic of Turkey on the terms of mutual trips of citizens the Russian Federation and citizens of the Republic of Turkey on May 12, 2010 action of the Agreement in respect of the journeys undertaken by citizens of the Turkish Republic, which are the owners of foreign passport, except citizens of the Republic of Turkey, who have a temporary residence permit or a residence permit on the territory of the Russian Federation and citizens of the Republic of Turkey sent to work in diplomatic missions and consular offices of the Republic of Turkey on the territory of the Russian Federation in possession of valid official and special passports, and their families.

3. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation in the established order the Republic of Turkey to send a notice of partial suspension of the Agreement, named in paragraph 2 of this Decree.

4. To establish that the tour operators and travel agents should refrain from implementing the citizens of the Russian Federation of the tourist product, include a visit to the Turkish Republic.

5. The Government of the Russian Federation:

a) define lists of goods, works (services) provided by subparagraphs "a" and "b" of paragraph 1 of this Decree;

b) to determine the list of employers, customers of works (services) provided by subparagraph "c" of paragraph 1 of this Decree;

c) to define the list of contracts concluded with organizations under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Turkey for the supply of goods (works, services) in respect of which special economic measures provided for in this Decree shall not apply;

d) adopt measures for the following:

a ban on charter air transportation between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Turkey;
strengthening of control over the activities of the Turkish road transport on the territory of the Russian Federation in order to ensure safety;
strengthening of port control and monitoring to ensure transport safety Russian waters of sea ports in the Black Sea region, including the prevention of illegal residence and movement, and other marine vessels in the waters of Russian sea ports;

e) if necessary, make proposals to amend the period of validity or the nature of the special economic and other measures provided for by this Decree.

6. This Decree shall enter into force on the date of its publication and is valid until they cancel the special economic and other measures.[/quote]

Putin has also banned the signing of Turkish players to Russian football clubs (source: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34957802[/url])

Other source: [url]http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2015/11/30/russia-bans-charter-flights-to-turkey/[/url]

[the rifleman]

Putin burned the Turkey this Thanksgiving

[Fulcrum]

25B seems fairly significant. Not sure how smarter a move this is on Russia's part though. Seems like it would weaken the economy at a time that its already weak.

[Cypher_09]

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49215576]25B seems fairly significant. Not sure how smarter a move this is on Russia's part though. Seems like it would weaken the economy at a time that its already weak.[/QUOTE]

It appears crippling to me.

[650leetARIMI]

Turkish leaders just met with eu leaders to counter this...natural gas only has some weight...Russia relys on turkey as well.

[Jamsponge]

Holy shit, banning Turkish workers? I understand that this was a major diplomatic incident but why would you potentially ruin 90000 unrelated people's lives over it?

[Dr.C]

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;49215614]Holy shit, banning Turkish workers? I understand that this was a major diplomatic incident but why would you potentially ruin 90000 unrelated people's lives over it?[/QUOTE]

Political leverage. Russia only has that state-sponsored homophobia to use as leverage against President Underwood

[650leetARIMI]

All this because 2 irresponsible sides...this wouldn't have started if Russia were responsible with their flight...the plane never even responded to warnings

[Buck.]

I think a slap on the wrist of Turkey is justified, crippling their economy is not. That's how you get another Hitler.

[Dark RaveN]

[QUOTE=650leetARIMI;49215630]All this because 2 irresponsible sides...this wouldn't have started if Russia were responsible with their flight...the plane never even responded to warnings[/QUOTE]

It all happened within less than 20 seconds. This is more Turkey's fault than Russias.

[editline]30th November 2015[/editline]

Ironically, this will hurt Russia more than Turkey, considering this other thread about EU giving Turkey 3 billion and might be accepting into EU

[650leetARIMI]

Russia needs to accept its unprofessional flight behavior

[Zethin]

[QUOTE=650leetARIMI;49215630]All this because 2 irresponsible sides...this wouldn't have started if Russia were responsible with their flight...the plane never even responded to warnings[/QUOTE]

[img]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/tr.png[/img]

Also, this situation is both sides' faults. Russian supporters would argue that Turkey was defending a supply route of oil from ISIL to Turkey. They likely also would have argued that Turkey probably shouldn't have fired a missile into the jet and allowed the Syrian rebels to kill the surviving pilots and [del]rescue team[/del], misread source, the rescue personnel were evacuated and a marine was killed instead. I'm not backing either side, but supporting either's actions is equally as dumb.

However, I'm more concerned that Turkey seems to be ready to escalate this situation even further rather than diffusing it. Hopefully NATO is able to de-escalate this before it goes any further.

[650leetARIMI]

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49215654]It all happened within less than 20 seconds. This is more Turkey's fault than Russias.

[editline]30th November 2015[/editline]

Ironically, this will hurt Russia more than Turkey, considering this other thread about EU giving Turkey 3 billion and might be accepting into EU[/QUOTE]

20 seconds plus 5 min warning and the jet would not identify itself like usual

[amos106]

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;49215614]Holy shit, banning Turkish workers? I understand that this was a major diplomatic incident but why would you potentially ruin 90000 unrelated people's lives over it?[/QUOTE]

If Russia is repressing Turkish minorities, does that mean Turkey gets Crimea?

[ClauAmericano]

I don't like Turkey but I really feel bad for the citizens that live there.

[Nahash]

[QUOTE=650leetARIMI;49215598]Turkish leaders just met with eu leaders to counter this...natural gas only has some weight...Russia relys on turkey as well.[/QUOTE]

Isn't Russia increasing imports from Israel and other countries to make up for that though?

[650leetARIMI]

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;49215711][img]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/tr.png[/img]

Also, this situation is both sides' faults. Russian supporters would argue that Turkey was defending a supply route of oil from ISIL to Turkey. They likely also would have argued that Turkey probably shouldn't have fired a missile into the jet and allowed the Syrian rebels to kill the surviving pilots and rescue team. I'm not backing either side, but supporting either's actions is equally as dumb.

However, I'm more concerned that Turkey seems to be ready to escalate this situation even further rather than diffusing it. Hopefully NATO is able to de-escalate this before it goes any further.[/QUOTE]

Everybody buys ISIS oil including Israel who is on russia side which is also on Iran's side...the whole Syrian conflict is twisted....turkey and russia were good Putin said he felt like he was stabbed in the back

[Zethin]

[QUOTE=650leetARIMI;49215756]Everybody buys ISIS oil including Israel who is on russia side which is also on Iran's side...the whole Syrian conflict is twisted....turkey and russia were good Putin said he felt like he was stabbed in the back[/QUOTE]

Again, I'm not supporting either side's actions, but trying to justify one side's is just as useless as trying to justify the other's.

However, Turkey and Russia escalating this situation is only making things worse.

[Cypher_09]

It'll be less money going straight into ISIS' pockets though...

[650leetARIMI]

Its more of a personal and cultural conflict just like 2 dudes in class who get along and fight so no one in the international community cares but they seem to be praising turkey for it...technical point of view turkey did nothing wrong but morally they shouldn't have shot down the pilot

[Lizzrd]

[QUOTE=650leetARIMI;49215807]Its more of a personal and cultural conflict just like 2 dudes in class who get along and fight so no one in the international community cares but they seem to be praising turkey for it...technical point of view turkey did nothing wrong but morally they shouldn't have shot down the pilot[/QUOTE]Technically I'm not touching you, the shoe just happens to be on your shoulder.

[Map in a box]

Russia you're taking his way to far lol for something that we obviously don't have all the facts for, to.

[Cypher_09]

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49216061]Russia you're taking his way to far lol for something that we obviously don't have all the facts for, to.[/QUOTE]

He knows Turkey are supplying terrorists and the alternative way of stopping them is by declaring war on them, which is fucked.

Sanctions are actually a great idea imo.

[Sableye]

at this point one has to scratch their head when you look at how many sanctions russia has against some of its largest trading partners....

i mean the european sanctions weren't nearly as bad as the ones russia imposed on itself, this is going to do more damage to russia than turkey

[editline]30th November 2015[/editline]

as it is, russian pilots have been pretty reckless on their part trying to cause all sorts of incidents by flying through commercial flight paths, or dangerously close to european fighters and airliners

[Satansick]

What the fuck is Putin even trying to do with all this shit, I have no clue.

[Saxon]

[QUOTE=Satansick;49216894]What the fuck is Putin even trying to do with all this shit, I have no clue.[/QUOTE]

He has to do something otherwise he looks weak which from what I understand is far worse for any Russian politician than a western one

[Zillamaster55]

And this proves?

If anything, this will just solidify Erdogan's position, as he can quite easily twist this into a perfect propaganda piece. "See why your economy is failing? Because the Russians think they can bully us!" and pull some Ottoman revanchism here and there

[soulharvester]

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49216910]If anything, this will just solidify Erdogan's position, as he can quite easily twist this into a perfect propaganda piece. "See why your economy is failing? Because the Russians think they can bully us!" and pull some Ottoman revanchism here and there[/QUOTE]

So what if they do? How does declaring a war against Russia help Turkey? Russia would fucking curb-stop Turkey, and yes, turkey DOES have nuclear bombs, but they can't actually use them without U.S. activation codes, so whole lot of good that does them. It also seems like the EU hates Turkey's guts if the other thread is anything to judge by.

[Sableye]

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49217067]So what if they do? How does declaring a war against Russia help Turkey? Russia would fucking curb-stop Turkey, and yes, turkey DOES have nuclear bombs, but they can't actually use them without U.S. activation codes, so whole lot of good that does them. It also seems like the EU hates Turkey's guts if the other thread is anything to judge by.[/QUOTE]

im pretty sure turkey isn't going to war with anybody. what they will do is use this as a way to get trade benefits from the EU to help offset the damage of the sanctions

[soulharvester]

I mean yeah they'll probably be able to Import/Buy what they need to function from the EU despite Russia's sanctions, but I'm sure it'll still hurt them since I'm assuming the EU will probably give them a much worse deal than Russia was providing them, unless they use the border-control/refugee crisis to secure better deals, which I could see them doing.