• It's confirmed now: Brazilian PS4 piracy method is REAL
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[t]http://wololo.net/wagic/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ps4_jailbreak_news.jpg[/t] [QUOTE]We’ve revealed a few weeks ago that some electronic stores in Brazil were advertising a way to copy pirate video games onto your PS4 for a fee. Although the technique was not described in details (these stores wanted, after all, to make a profit out of the scheme, not share it for everyone to get it for free, or for Sony to patch it), we’ve been in touch with several members of the hacking scene, as well as customers of these stores, who have all confirmed the existence of the “hack”. Yesterday, journalists at UOL Jogos, a trusted site in Brazil, have confirmed that the hack is real, as they have verified it themselves on a test console (original article, in Portuguese, can be found here). It needs to be emphasized that this is not the well known “account sharing” trick, but a new kind of hack. Small electronics store in some streets of Sao Paulo will charge from R$ 300 to R$ 400 (about $100 to $150) in order to install 10 pirated games on your console. The UOL journalists have confirmed the hack to work on their own console. The process, as described by Brazilian modchip stores, is close to what we have explained before: a Dump of a “legit” console with a dozen games on it is performed, and copied to the target console. In addition to a copy of the hard drive, it is safe to assume a dump of the NAND/BIOS is performed as well. It seems the dump is performed with the help of a regular raspberry pi, as this had been implied the first time we uncovered this story.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Other ways have existed for pirates in the past: Sony lets people activate several consoles on the same account, so some people abuse that system by sharing accounts with their friends. This piracy technique remains limited as you can only share an account with a limited number of consoles. This new technique, however, has virtually no limit to how many PS4s could replicate the games. As such, this is a very lucrative business for these electronics shop, who make close to 100% profit on this technique. These shops in Brazil charge about $100 to install 10 games. These games would cost almost $600 normally. This is a great deal for both the client and the seller. To get more games, one has to come back to the store and pay roughly $15 for each additional game. UOL mention that with 10 games of the current generation, your PS4 hard drive is pretty much full anyway, so you’ll have to erase a few ones to add new ones. The article on UOL mentions that the hack initially originated on a Russian site. Given what I’ve been told so far though, it could literally have originated from anywhere, as it is heavily inspired from a similar technique on the PS3 that is widely known. It could be one of those “not so secret” secrets of the scene. As we’ve discussed before, this is not really what could be considered as a PS4 Jailbreak, and of minimal interest from a homebrew perspective. It is still interesting however, from my point of view, to confirm once again that a system is as secure as its weakest link. Although no encryption is broken here, pirates are still able to find their way, while us “homebrewers” are left in the cold.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Sony are not totally ignoring the issue of piracy in Brazil. It seems they are aware of the “account sharing” technique (and how some stores are monetizing it) and already sending cease and desist notices about that. It is safe to assume they will at least do the same for this new piracy technique, and will probably be looking into ways to patch the hack. As a reminder, people on the PS4 hacking scene have told us that the technique they knew about has been patched on 2.51, so it seems the technique used by Brazilian stores is slightly different from that.[/QUOTE] [img]http://wololo.net/wagic/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sony_legal_brazil.jpg[/img] [url]http://wololo.net/2015/05/13/new-piracy-technique-on-ps4-in-brazil-confirmed-to-be-real-sony-might-take-legal-action/[/url] already made a thread about that a few days ago when it was just a rumor, but now that it's confirmed I feel like it's a good enough reason to open a new thread since holy shit it's big
Sony just can't catch a break.
That's what happens when the cost of a console/games is so extortionate (in Brazil). Sounds like something they could patch out though.
[QUOTE=Hogie bear;47717114]Sony just can't catch a break.[/QUOTE] Xbox has gotten a lot of flak. Can't be an entirely one side negativity at this point.
I wonder how many brazillion dollars sony will lose over this
How early into the PS3's life cycle did the hack happen compared to this?
Actually if they manage to pirate games I'm fairly certain that it will boost sales and life of the console in developing countries exponentially.
With the price of consoles and games in Brazil I can't imagine they're losing that many sales. Sony is doing badly, but that isn't because of the PS4 market not being there.
lol, brazil is a pirate's heaven, sony can try to fight it all they want, they'll fail. also [QUOTE] The [B]UOL journalists have confirmed the hack to work on their own console[/B].[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure UOL is keeping that console anyway :v: [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47717221]With the price of consoles and games in Brazil I can't imagine they're losing that many sales. Sony is doing badly, but that isn't because of the PS4 market not being there.[/QUOTE] sony is doing badly because they're treating the PS4 as a "luxury product" on brazil, and honestly, most smart brazilians with the money to burn on a PS4 will just get a good PC, which is cheaper and better.
Brazil and the video game market is fucked
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47717208]How early into the PS3's life cycle did the hack happen compared to this?[/QUOTE] The PS3 actually wasn't targeted by real console hackers until the day the patch came out that removed OtherOS (Linux) from the PS3, because before that they were actually happy with how the console operated. Then OtherOS got removed, and it didn't even take them a Year until they broke the whole security system. Though this was in part a failure of Sony. That's why it isnt really possible to install a Custom Firmware on the newer consoles, because you need one of the old faulty Firmwares on your System. And then way later ODEs happened. Those little things that you but inbetween the Console and the Disk Drive to emulate it via Data on an USB Disk. Pretty neat actually, it even promotes your consoles longevity for when the disk drive one day will die. EDIT: If you're interested in stuff like that, for example HOW they managed to break into the system: Watch this: [video=youtube;PR9tFXz4Quc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR9tFXz4Quc[/video] This is the Hacker Teams Talk from the year Sony removed Linux Support. Feel free to click through the first 5 minutes though. (And don't go over 6:10, this is where the first cool statistics get shown off) They go through how they broke like EVERY Single Security System there is in the PS3 The Epic Fail Part though is that [sp]Sony used an Elliptic Curve DSA which is extremely hard to crack with todays technology, but instead of using a random number, they used the "same" random number everytime for signing stuff, to the point where one could solve the problem pretty easily. So they used one of the most secure systems out there and implemented it the most stupid way they could.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;47717230] sony is doing badly because they're treating the PS4 as a "luxury product" on brazil, and honestly, most smart brazilians with the money to burn on a PS4 will just get a good PC, which is cheaper and better.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't PS4 expensive due to to some tariff law in Brazil?
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;47717230]lol, brazil is a pirate's heaven, sony can try to fight it all they want, they'll fail. also i'm pretty sure UOL is keeping that console anyway :v: sony is doing badly because they're treating the PS4 as a "luxury product" on brazil, and honestly, most smart brazilians with the money to burn on a PS4 will just get a good PC, which is cheaper and better.[/QUOTE] Smart Brazilians that want a PS4 buy one that enter the country without paying taxes.
[QUOTE=NeoAznMan;47717513]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't PS4 expensive due to to some tariff law in Brazil?[/QUOTE] in part yeah, its also because every single store ramps up the price as well, look up "lucro brasil", its not just the taxes. [QUOTE=Ragekipz;47717567]Smart Brazilians that want a PS4 buy one that enter the country without paying taxes.[/QUOTE] also this, its extremely easy to find a cheap PS4/xbox one in the black market :v: [sp] i got a xbox 360 back in the day like that [/sp]
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;47717230]lol, brazil is a pirate's heaven, sony can try to fight it all they want, they'll fail. also i'm pretty sure UOL is keeping that console anyway :v: sony is doing badly because they're treating the PS4 as a "luxury product" on brazil, and honestly, most smart brazilians with the money to burn on a PS4 will just get a good PC, which is cheaper and better.[/QUOTE] Not only sony. A good pc is absolutely always either cheaper in short term or cheaper and better in long term. Usually its cheaper, better and more functional. Unless you buy alienware or some gold-coated-wire bullshit
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