• Thousands of Russian nationalist march in anti-immigrant protest
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[url]http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/04/21303956-thousands-of-russian-nationalist-marchers-raise-specter-of-anti-immigrant-violence?lite[/url] [QUOTE]MOSCOW - Thousands of Russian nationalists took to the streets of Moscow on Monday as part of annual marches that have sparked anti-immigrant violence in the past. Marchers celebrating National Unity Day ranged in age from young children to elderly men and women. They chanted "Death to the enemy” and “Russia for Russians, Moscow for Moscovites,” echoing hostility towards millions of Muslims who have emigrated from poor central Asian countries such as Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. Some 80 participants were detained at one of the marches in the Moscow neighborhood of Lyublino, according to police, who warned of post-demonstration violence. Some 140 people have been injured and 18 killed in neo-Nazi attacks so far this year, according to SOVA Center for Information and Analysis, a Russian organization that studies nationalism, racism and political radicalism. The State Department warned Americans and their families ahead of Monday’s public holiday, which commemorates the liberation of Moscow from Polish invaders in 1612. “Extreme violence has been witnessed during previous nationalist protests, and spontaneous demonstrations of support may appear anywhere throughout the city, at any time of the day,” the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security said in a statement. “Equally possible are counter-demonstrations staged by groups opposed to nationalist sentiments.” Last month, a riot erupted in the Moscow district of Birlyulovo after the death of 25-year-old Yegor Sherbakov, which locals blamed on a migrant. A face-off between police and protesters resulted in around 400 arrests. While in the past the National Unity Day marches tended to be anti-establishment, in recent years the government of President Vladimir Putin has tried to harness hard-line nationalist sentiment and use it against an array of groups. Indeed, Putin has drawn parallels between foreigners and those the government opposes for ideological reasons.[/QUOTE] russia is getting (more) shittier by the day it seems.
no. just no. All these people literally want is a fresh start somewhere else.
Russians seem poor at remembering their past. Who was it that colonized Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan? (And often rounded up Jews, Poles, Germans, and Finns to dump in central Asia with the intention of getting rid of them)
First winner rating: Hellsten whoda thunk it
has there ever been a march where everyone chanted "death to the enemy" that WASN'T extremely bad news
At least the Russians care about their society, culture, and people. People may go a little over board with the concept, but they have seen what the Western world has done to itself with mass immigration and failure to press for integration.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;42755199]At least the Russians care about their society, culture, and people. People may go a little over board with the concept, but they have seen what the Western world has done to itself with mass immigration and failure to press for integration.[/QUOTE] What? The Western world is not really in any danger of collapsing thanks to brown people having the nerve to want to live here.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;42755199]At least the Russians care about their society, culture, and people. People may go a little over board with the concept, but they have seen what the Western world has done to itself with mass immigration and failure to press for integration.[/QUOTE] Would you mind expanding on what "The western world has done to itself"?
[QUOTE=Cone;42755196]has there ever been a march where everyone chanted "death to the enemy" that WASN'T extremely bad news[/QUOTE] idk starcraft perhaps
And I'll be visiting Russia in February. Wonderful.
They have a point. I realised mass immigration is bad when our prime minister hauled in 800,000+ Syrian refugees to my country and I began to see their savagery on the streets.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;42755199]At least the Russians care about their society, culture, and people. People may go a little over board with the concept, but they have seen what the Western world has done to itself with mass immigration and failure to press for integration.[/QUOTE] yea, us westerners have a nice civil society and a decent standard of living, while russians are leaving en masse to join these TERRIBLE "western" countries. racism is cool, rite guys?
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;42755199]At least the Russians care about their society, culture, and people. People may go a little over board with the concept, but they have seen what the Western world has done to itself with mass immigration and failure to press for integration.[/QUOTE] I cringed when i saw people agreeing with this, then I saw the posters who actually agreed and wasn't surprised.
anyone who thinks nationalism is good is a scumbag. Putin is blatantly using it to manipulate the populace, the violence it's bringing out is insane and brutal, and it's indoctrinating kids to believe that said violence is good. it's fucking nuts that so many of you think that this march is in any way good or expressing anything other than blind, easily-manipulated anger
[QUOTE=Squad1993;42755244]And I'll be visiting Russia in February. Wonderful.[/QUOTE] As usual when it comes to these types of things you'll probably be okay as long as you're white.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42755262]I cringed when i saw people agreeing with this, then I saw the posters who actually agreed and wasn't surprised.[/QUOTE] If a foreign population eventually overpopulates the native population, they will eventually lose their culture and traditions. Native Americans had their culture and traditions preserved until the Europeans overpopulated them and they eventually had to adapt to European way of life.
[QUOTE=Cone;42755270]anyone who thinks nationalism is good is a scumbag. Putin is blatantly using it to manipulate the populace, the violence it's bringing out is insane and brutal, and it's indoctrinating kids to believe that said violence is good. it's fucking nuts that so many of you think that this march is in any way good or expressing anything other than blind, easily-manipulated anger[/QUOTE] A lot of these people have trouble separating patriotism and nationalism, or use their own definitions.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;42755199]At least the Russians care about their society, culture, and people. People may go a little over board with the concept, but they have seen what the Western world has done to itself with mass immigration and failure to press for integration.[/QUOTE] This is one of the worse posts about Russia, and immigration I have seen.
[QUOTE=kurva;42755287]If a foreign population eventually overpopulates the native population, they will eventually lose their culture and traditions. Native Americans had their culture and traditions preserved until the Europeans overpopulated them and they eventually had to adapt to European way of life.[/QUOTE] Are you honestly equating migrant workers to the genocide of native americans?
[QUOTE=kurva;42755287]If a foreign population eventually overpopulates the native population, they will eventually lose their culture and traditions. Native Americans had their culture and traditions preserved until the Europeans overpopulated them and they eventually had to adapt to European way of life.[/QUOTE] The Europeans murdered the Natives into submission then re-educated the Native youth in Residential Schools so they would abandon their culture and lifestyle for the European standard. It's a little more complicated than just numbers of brown people mate.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42755262]I cringed when i saw people agreeing with this, then I saw the posters who actually agreed and wasn't surprised.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;42755308]This is one of the worse posts about Russia, and immigration I have seen.[/QUOTE] Why don't you bring your counter-arguement out instead of whining about how foolish and evil he is?
[QUOTE=kurva;42755287]If a foreign population eventually overpopulates the native population, they will eventually lose their culture and traditions. Native Americans had their culture and traditions preserved until the Europeans overpopulated them and they eventually had to adapt to European way of life.[/QUOTE] What makes you think western culture is so superior and that these "barbarians" are totally unable to adapt? The Native American analogy is piss poor because the natives were a basic society taken over by one much more advanced than their own, by a force much greater than their own.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;42755199]At least the Russians care about their society, culture, and people. People may go a little over board with the concept, but they have seen what the Western world has done to itself with mass immigration and failure to press for integration.[/QUOTE] You can care about culture and traditions without killing people. Saying that they "may go a little over board" is a gross understatement. edit: Not saying that this group of people are behind the attacks of course.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42755331]The Native American analogy is piss poor because the natives were a basic society taken over by one much more advanced than their own, by a force much greater than their own.[/QUOTE] It's terrible for a lot of reasons. Natives were treated as inferior peoples, and they had their rights, land, culture, and lives taken from them to fuel European westward expansion.
[QUOTE=barttool;42755225]Would you mind expanding on what "The western world has done to itself"?[/QUOTE] The western world is allowing, or trying to allow, mass immigration into their countries. Some of those immigrating are beneficial, such as doctors, engineers, and other skilled occupations. On the other hand, how many immigrants have nothing to offer than to work unskilled jobs for less than native works are willing to work?
[QUOTE=kurva;42755329]Why don't you bring your counter-arguement out instead of whining about how foolish and evil he is?[/QUOTE] why he's already had his ass handed to him
[QUOTE=kurva;42755329]Why don't you bring your counter-arguement out instead of whining about how foolish and evil he is?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;42755026]Russians seem poor at remembering their past. Who was it that colonized Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan? (And often rounded up Jews, Poles, Germans, and Finns to dump in central Asia with the intention of getting rid of them)[/QUOTE] Russians hardly know much about their past, especially of the crimes committed during the USSR. If people knew what Stalin did to the Chechens, Russia wouldn't have invaded Chechnya, let alone twice.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;42755342]You can care about culture and traditions without killing people. Saying that they "may go a little over board" is a gross understatement. edit: Not saying that this group of people are behind the attacks of course.[/QUOTE] Yes, I agree that the killing of immigrants is horrible, and there is no excuse for it. The point that I was trying to make is that there are still a large number of people who see unchecked immigration as too drastic a change and wish for it to cease. Instead of wonton violence, they should petition the government to regulate immigration and put caps on the number of unskilled workers, while ensuring their culture will not be threatened. I apologize for the understatement.
the most amazing thing about this whole thing, is that russian population(as in russian ethinicity) is still dropping, and it will keep dropping no matter how many immigrants get thrown out, russia needs immigration to keep its population at least stable, otherwise they're headed in the same direction japan is.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;42755199]At least the Russians care about their society, culture, and people. People may go a little over board with the concept, but they have seen what the Western world has done to itself with mass immigration and failure to press for integration.[/QUOTE] Agree You westerners are doing too little to assimilate
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