• Up to 53% of Americans believe background checks for guns could lead to confiscation of legally owne
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[quote]By a 48%-38% margin, voters say that the government could use the information from universal background checks to confiscate legally-owned guns. And gun owners believe 53%-34% that the checks could lead to confiscation of legal guns. There's also a partisan divide on the question, with 61% of Republicans and 51% of independents, and only 32% of Democrats, expecting confiscations. The Quinnipiac University poll was conducted March 26-April 1, with 1,711 registered voters questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus 2.4 percentage points.[/quote] [url]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/04/poll-could-background-checks-lead-to-gun-confiscation/?hpt=po_t1[/url]
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I think they got background check confused with registration. [editline]6th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=mopman999;40190242]maybe thats for the better[/QUOTE] Yeah man, fuck them people and their 300 million collective guns. Nice edit.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40190245]I think they got background check confused with registration. [editline]6th April 2013[/editline] Yeah man, fuck them people and their 300 million collective guns. Nice edit.[/QUOTE] yeah, thats not exactly what i meant, im just gonna snip it to stop any arguments, i meant under the terms that given a background checked legal people wouldnt be able to keep the guns they have, only if they wouldnt pass the check
Edit The government never makes mistakes and abuses it's power.[Sarcasm] Gun's legally owned would be confiscated if background searches were done. I would still support some Background checks, because they prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands. [QUOTE]96% of Democrats, 90% of independent voters, and 88% of Republicans saying they favor requiring background checks for all gun buyers. Eighty-eight percent of voters in homes with guns say they support the checks.[/QUOTE] Most people support background checks anyways, knowing the risks.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40190269]The government never makes mistakes and abuses it's power. Gun's legally owned would be confiscated if background searches were done. Even than, I would still support some Background checks.[/QUOTE] Wat?
[QUOTE=mopman999;40190264]yeah, thats not exactly what i meant, im just gonna snip it to stop any arguments, i meant under the terms that given a background checked legal people wouldnt be able to keep the guns they have, only if they wouldnt pass the check[/QUOTE] If a person can't legally purchase a firearm, then the firearms they already have probably weren't purchased legally to begin with. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;40190269]The government never makes mistakes and abuses it's power. Gun's legally owned would be confiscated if background searches were done. Even than, I would still support some Background checks.[/QUOTE] The fuck are you even? Bro you just accidentally the whole thing
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40190269]The government never makes mistakes and abuses it's power. Gun's legally owned would be confiscated if background searches were done. Even than, I would still support some Background checks.[/QUOTE] Could you rephrase that? Not only can I not tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but you didn't make any sense.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;40190288]If a person can't legally purchase a firearm, then the firearms they already have probably weren't purchased legally to begin with.[/QUOTE] true, but i just mean the ones that already owned them, but that would be annoyingly difficult
Can someone explain why are so many Americans paranoid about the government? I've never really understood.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;40190317]Can someone explain why are so many Americans paranoid about the government? I've never really understood.[/QUOTE] Because the US government has a very extensive history of doing shady bullshit and lying to the public and eventually causes us issues in the future because of it (literally everything the US did in the cold war). For some, it's not a very big stretch that they would do something sinister involving US citizens, like attacking them with predator drones.
If the person has a recent issue where guns could be abused, or a history of incidents, then of course the guns should be confiscated. Doesn't matter if they're legal or not, if the person that owns them isn't behaving according to law, then why risk it?
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;40190317]Can someone explain why are so many Americans paranoid about the government? I've never really understood.[/QUOTE] It's because we have created a society in which the corrupt get into government easily, stay in government for long periods of time, and screw most of the population over at just about every chance they get. That isn't to say that it is inherently evil, or that this particular bit of legislation is evil. All I'm doing is explaining that we distrust our government because it very rarely does anything that would make us put our trust in it.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;40190317]Can someone explain why are so many Americans paranoid about the government? I've never really understood.[/QUOTE] Because the government has abused it's power alot. People also just don't like paying taxes.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;40190317]Can someone explain why are so many Americans paranoid about the government? I've never really understood.[/QUOTE] I'm one of the ones who don't consider what they would do now or in the immediate future, But a person who gains power later that will attempt something stupid. I like the idea of background checks, At the same time as long as they aren't like how it takes 6 months to over a year to even get a response on a pistol permit in my county.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;40190347]If the person has a recent issue where guns could be abused, or a history of incidents, then of course the guns should be confiscated. Doesn't matter if they're legal or not, if the person that owns them isn't behaving according to law, then why risk it?[/QUOTE] It is already illegal for felons and some other types of people to posses a firearm. Here is a quick list. [URL]http://www.justice.gov/usao/ut/psn/documents/guncard.pdf[/URL] Also there already exists criminal background checks if you are buying a firearm from a dealer.
The fact that politicians are becoming slaves to popularity is an interesting one. They appear to have ability to do what they want now.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;40190317]Can someone explain why are so many Americans paranoid about the government? I've never really understood.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman_Strike#Federal_intervention[/url] [quote]City by city the federal forces broke the ARU efforts to shut down the national transportation system. Thousands of United States Marshals and [B]some 12,000 United States Army troops, commanded by Brigadier General Nelson Miles, took action.[/B] President Cleveland wanted the trains moving again, based on his legal, constitutional responsibility for the mails. His lawyers argued that the boycott violated the Sherman Antitrust Act, and represented a threat to public safety. The arrival of the military and the subsequent deaths of workers in violence led to further outbreaks of violence. During the course of the strike, [B]a total of 30 strikers were killed and 57 were wounded.[/B][/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain[/url] [quote]On orders from the famous General Billy Mitchell, Army bombers from Maryland were also used for aerial surveillance, a rare example of air power being used by the federal government against US citizens.[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army#U.S._Army_intervention[/url] [quote][B]After the cavalry charged, the infantry, with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, an arsenical vomiting agent[/B], entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River to their largest camp and President Hoover ordered the assault stopped. However Gen. MacArthur, feeling the Bonus March was an attempt to overthrow the U.S. government, ignored the President and ordered a new attack. Fifty-five veterans were injured and 135 arrested.[11] A veteran's wife miscarried. When 12-week-old Bernard Myers died in the hospital after being caught in the tear gas attack, a government investigation reported he died of enteritis, while a hospital spokesman said the tear gas "didn't do it any good."[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_state_shooting[/url]
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40190245]I think they got background check confused with registration.[/QUOTE] There's no way to enforce mandatory private transfer background checks without mandatory registration. In case the issue wasn't clear sales between businesses already require background checks, the issue that citizen-disarmament proponents are trying to push is that of private transfers, more or less a vessel for pushing mandatory registration given that government officials have already conceded that such a law couldn't work without mandatory registration.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;40190317]Can someone explain why are so many Americans paranoid about the government? I've never really understood.[/QUOTE] People in America are used to decentralization and not having a feudal lord. Any attempt at attacking freedoms is not taken lightly, and normally seen as a subversive and foreign influence that will probably result in the destruction of the whole country. For instance, establishing fire-stations, public schooling, infrastructure, social security, moving towards single payer healthcare, establishing legal protections for Catholics, banning slavery, allowing women to vote, ending desegregation, banning machine guns, legalizing sodomy, gay marriage, separating church and state, teaching evolution in schools, and establishing background checks on firearms.
you can spy on left-wing activists or support dangerous governments but (barely, not really) mess with their guns and youve got a problem with america pal
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40190491]People in America are used to decentralization and not having a feudal lord. Any attempt at attacking freedoms is not taken lightly, and normally seen as a subversive and foreign influence that will probably result in the destruction of the whole country. For instance, establishing fire-stations, public schooling, infrastructure, social security, moving towards single payer healthcare, establishing legal protections for Catholics, [B]banning slavery[/B], [B]allowing women to vote[/B], [B]ending desegregation[/B], banning machine guns,[B] legalizing sodomy[/B], [B]gay marriage, separating church and state[/B], teaching evolution in schools, and establishing background checks on firearms.[/QUOTE] "Giving people freedoms is seen as an attack on freedoms" - Sobotnik, 2013 "People who support the rights guaranteed to them by the highest law in the nation are no different than those who want to destroy fire stations and public schools, establish a state religion, and re-institute slavery." - Sobotnik, 2013
[QUOTE=mastermaul;40190553]"Giving people freedoms is seen as an attack on freedoms" - Sobotnik, 2013 "People who support the rights guaranteed to them by the highest law in the nation are no different than those who want to destroy fire stations and public schools, establish a state religion, and re-institute slavery." - Sobotnik, 2013[/QUOTE] You not only blindly uses a strawman, you completely missed his point.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;40190553]"Giving people freedoms is seen as an attack on freedoms" - Sobotnik, 2013 "People who support the rights guaranteed to them by the highest law in the nation are no different than those who want to destroy fire stations and public schools, establish a state religion, and re-institute slavery." - Sobotnik, 2013[/QUOTE] wat
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40190561]You not only blindly uses a strawman, you completely missed his point.[/QUOTE] You mean the point where he lumped in firearm owners with those who would wish to destroy the foundations of western civilization and civil safety?
[QUOTE=mastermaul;40190594]You mean the point where he lumped in firearm owners with those who would wish to destroy the foundations of western civilization and civil safety?[/QUOTE] Did you even try to read what he said and then think about it, or did you just see his name and try to twist his post against him as much as possible?
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;40190317]Can someone explain why are so many Americans paranoid about the government? I've never really understood.[/QUOTE] Because the government of any country is a group of people, and people can do bad things. And because it's another sacrifice of freedom for perceived safety. Although I'm fine with background checks for the most part.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;40190553]"Giving people freedoms is seen as an attack on freedoms" - Sobotnik, 2013 "People who support the rights guaranteed to them by the highest law in the nation are no different than those who want to destroy fire stations and public schools, establish a state religion, and re-institute slavery." - Sobotnik, 2013[/QUOTE] Practically all of those things I posted were forced through by the Federal government, whilst the states used the old argument of "States rights, we have the freedom to do what we want". Like uh. Have you seen some of the opinions of the loonies who are against gay marriage? One of their arguments is literally that it's imposing acceptance of it on society. Or the people against creationism, who go "why aren't you letting me teach this, this is OPPRESSION". Or Mens rights activists (lmao) who go "stop OPPRESSING us".
I'm fine with background checks and happily support them. I'd be fine with a central registry as well, but those do have a bad history so I'd like some assurance that the information in it can only be used as part of a criminal investigation. IE: If a weapon is recovered from a crime scene, they can just check the registration for the owner. If they are investigating an individual, they'd need a warrant same as with any other form of search.
If you're against background checks for gun ownership, you might have a screw loose. The only way this would lead to confiscation is if you are in possession of a weapon illegally.
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