• FBI: Murder Down 10% Despite 28.8% Raise In Gun Purchases For 2009
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[url]http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m12d22-Murder-rate-declined-while-gun-sales-boomed-An-inconvenient-truth[/url] [quote] Today I’m sort of sharing a headline with my colleague David Codrea because yesterday’s release by the FBI of preliminary crime data for the first six months of this year just poked a mammoth-sized hole in that bag of hot air carried around by gun prohibitionists. Not surprisingly, since the Seattle Times and other news outlets reported this Monday, there has not been a peep about it from the gun prohibitionist lobby. According to the FBI, murder in this country declined by 10 percent overall during the first half of 2009, a period of booming gun sales that primarily focused on the purchase of two types of firearms most often demonized by the anti-gun lobby: semiautomatic sport-utility rifles and handguns. Anti-gunners have lost another one of their baseless arguments. Millions of Americans bought guns during the first six months of this year, many of them for the first time. Yet with all of those new guns in circulation, coupled with an increased demand for concealed carry licenses around the country, the streets have not been awash in blood, as gun banners repeatedly predict.”—Alan Gottlieb The National Shooting Sports Foundation commented on the situation here, and also supplied data from the FBI’s National Instant Check System (NICS) here that shows how firearms sales were up, in most months dramatically, from the same period in 2008. Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, was quick to observe, “What this shows is that gun prohibitionists are all wrong when they argue that more guns result in more crime.” Hard facts trump hot air. These people are consistently wrong about our rights. Millions of people bought guns, especially semiautomatic sport-utility rifles that gun grabbers want to ban because they say people aren’t safe with all of those guns in private hands. Well, the people disagree, and so does the data.”—Alan Gottlieb SAF noted in its press release, “The FBI released data Monday that shows murders dropped by 10 percent from the same period in 2008. Meanwhile, according to data released by the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that during the first six months of this year, gun sales were up. January 2009 background checks rose 28.8 percent over the same month in 2008, February’s NICS checks were up 23.3 percent and in March they were up 29.9 percent over March 2008. The trend continued in April, with NICS checks up 30.3 percent, while May showed a slowdown, up only 15.5 percent, and in June they were up 18.1 percent.” As the Associated Press points out, this declining murder rate continues and even accelerates a trend from 2008, when gun sales began to boom in late autumn with the ascension of the anti-gun Obama administration to the White House. The early 2009 data suggests the crime-dropping trend of 2008 is not just continuing but accelerating. In 2008, the same data showed a nearly 4 percent drop in murder and manslaughter, and an overall drop in violent crime of 1.9 percent from 2007 to 2008.—Associated Press Somebody at the Violence Policy Center, or the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, or state-level gun ban lobbying groups like Washington CeaseFire will have to scramble and spin hard to explain this. They’ve been pontificating for years that more guns in circulation – especially those evil, black “military-style, semi-automatic assault rifles” – would lead to gushers of blood in the streets; blood through which they seem all-too-willing to dance right up to the doors of state legislatures and even Congress to peddle their message of citizen disarmament. I wrote about this here. The most popular firearms selling at that time were handguns and modern sporting rifles (AR-style rifles)--two types of firearms that anti-gunners never miss an opportunity to demonize. Law-abiding handgun owners have been filling concealed carry classes across the country, and AR-style rifles--long a favorite of target shooters--are growing in popularity among hunters as new calibers are introduced for small and big game.—National Shooting Sports Foundation Likewise, here in Washington State, three anti-gun lawmakers have introduced legislation to ban so-called “assault rifles” when data indicates rifles (of any kind) were known to have been used in only two homicides in the Evergreen State last year. The FBI’s report and NICS data suggests strongly that the proposed legislation is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. I wrote about that here. The timing of this preliminary data release by the FBI is ironic. Gottlieb and I recently released our latest collaboration, Assault on Weapons: The Campaign to Eliminate Your Guns. This new data only reinforces the conclusions reached in that book. [/quote] [url]http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2009prelimsem/index.html[/url] [url]http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/Total%20NICS%20Background%20Checks.htm[/url] :clint:
Hooray.
duh
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We're buying all the guns we can before Obama does something. :tinfoil:
Gun sales don't have anything to do with crime or personal hardware, it's all panic-mongering to convince people to spend obscene amounts of money on the same old products because Obama's Socialist Death Squads are coming for their guns.
American gun crime rate is still higher than many other countries that enact some form of gun control policy.
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Clearly Americans are just becoming too fat and lazy to murder each other.
I was wondering when that was going to be said, thanks for alleviating the anticipation.
and ironically Obama was responsible for a massive spike in guns in the US. He'll probably put in some gun restrictions eventually though.
I've seriously seen some weird stuff on the internet. There's this whole "Second American Revolution" going on. People are gathering militias together and doing combat training. See for yourself. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHlvnqPdH0[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D680st4cRIM&feature=related[/media] Their forum: [url]http://www.americanresistancemovement.com/index.php?sid=6134e57f8dee6a55632ae150e7c2520f[/url] They bring up some pretty decent points, but I doubt it's going to happen.
People who already own guns are getting more...
[QUOTE=Mister B;19319022] Their forum: [url]http://www.americanresistancemovement.com/index.php?sid=6134e57f8dee6a55632ae150e7c2520f[/url] [/QUOTE] Wow. Look at that, a radical right-wing anti-Obama propaganda forum.
The more guns there are the less violence there is. Would you try to shoot somebody when you know that not a single soul around you isn't armed? By the time you fired a shot you'd be filled with holes. It's like MAD minus the nukes.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19318718]American gun crime rate is still higher than many other countries that enact some form of gun control policy.[/QUOTE] [citation needed]
All this means is people's aims are getting worse.
[QUOTE=Faunz;19319733]All this means is people's aims are getting worse.[/QUOTE] Funny attempt failed
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19319344]Wow. Look at that, a radical right-wing anti-Obama propaganda forum.[/QUOTE] Sounds like a pretty swell place for some trolling
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19318718]American gun crime rate is still higher than many other countries that enact some form of gun control policy.[/QUOTE] This primairly due to problems with gang violence and the fact that the US has a much larger population than those said countries.
This has been a trend for the last 10 years, at least. Why is this news? The murder rate has dropped down a LOT in the last 15 years. Would you believe it? No, not if you watch the news, everyones so paranoid about it, but the murder rate is down, whilst fear is up. [editline]02:03AM[/editline] [QUOTE=StupidUsername67;19319370]The more guns there are the less violence there is. Would you try to shoot somebody when you know that not a single soul around you isn't armed? By the time you fired a shot you'd be filled with holes. It's like MAD minus the nukes.[/QUOTE] As much as I personally want to believe this, it's not true really.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;19320903]This has been a trend for the last 10 years, at least. Why is this news? The murder rate has dropped down a LOT in the last 15 years. Would you believe it? No, not if you watch the news, everyones so paranoid about it, but the murder rate is down, whilst fear is up. [editline]02:03AM[/editline] [/quote] Media influences the masses. People are stupid. [quote] As much as I personally want to believe this, it's not true really.[/QUOTE] It's kind of true. It's the same reason you wouldn't rob a police station.
:clint: Obama, if you get Congress to make guns illegal I'm moving.
Because the murderers are afraid of the victim having a gun.
[QUOTE=Mister B;19319022]I've seriously seen some weird stuff on the internet. There's this whole "Second American Revolution" going on. People are gathering militias together and doing combat training. See for yourself. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHlvnqPdH0[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D680st4cRIM&feature=related[/media] Their forum: [url]http://www.americanresistancemovement.com/index.php?sid=6134e57f8dee6a55632ae150e7c2520f[/url] They bring up some pretty decent points, but I doubt it's going to happen.[/QUOTE] From the comments of the first video: EVERYONE!- Arrive at Copper Hills road near Claypool, AZ. You'll know the house when you see it. Bring a tent, stove, food, etc. Also, your gun, enough ammo for firing practice and such, and some combat kit. Arrive on* the the eleventh of Jan, 2010!!!! I bet there will be a bunch of rednecks :v:
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19318718]American gun crime rate is still higher than many other countries that enact some form of gun control policy.[/QUOTE] How many other countries have a gang population as large as ours?
Wasn't it Switzerland where almost every household has an armory yet murder rates are incredibly low?
This is what happens when the guns go to the good people.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;19321832]From the comments of the first video: EVERYONE!- Arrive at Copper Hills road near Claypool, AZ. You'll know the house when you see it. Bring a tent, stove, food, etc. Also, your gun, enough ammo for firing practice and such, and some combat kit. Arrive on* the the eleventh of Jan, 2010!!!! I bet there will be a bunch of rednecks :v:[/QUOTE] If i had the money i would so hire a chopper and scare the loving shit out of them with a floodlight and megaphone.
[QUOTE=gilly_54;19321961]Wasn't it Switzerland where almost every household has an armory yet murder rates are incredibly low?[/QUOTE] Yes but they have military training and psychological tests before they get the guns. In USA it's enough that you haven't been to the institution (Mental and corrections).
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