[quote]Enough time has passed that few remember me, or what I was saying when last I spoke, or what precisely we hoped to accomplish. At this point, the resistance will have failed or succeeded, no thanks to me. Old friends have been silenced, or fallen by the wayside. I no longer know or recognize most members of the research team, though I believe the spirit of rebellion still persists.[/quote]
Why does this part read less like an epilogue and more like Laidlaw describing how he left the company.
[QUOTE=TraderRager;52611546]Why does this part read less like an epilogue and more like Laidlaw describing how he left the company.[/QUOTE]
Because it is. It's the only context in which the paragraph makes sense rally.
Partial list of things valve has made since Episode 2 came out:
Left 4 Dead
Left 4 Dead 2
Alien Swarm
Portal 2
Dota 2
Counter-Strike Global Offensive
BONUS ROUND: Non-game products and events
Steam Marketplace
Steam Greenlight
Steam Workshop
Steam OS
Steam Controller
Steamboxes
HTC Vice
The International 1-7
The Dota Majors
The CS:GO Majors
Lightning Round: Decorative Pixels
1289 TF2 Cosmetics
I'm not going to bother counting the frankly Borderlands-level number of gun skins in CS:GO, but trust me: It's a lot.
Ditto for Dota 2. I literally could not find a solid number.
1289 TF2 Cosmetics? Jesus
My opinion which counts for absolutely nothing in the changing landscape of the industry, but
[QUOTE=TraderRager;52611656]Partial list of things valve has made since Episode 2 came out:
Left 4 Dead
Left 4 Dead 2
Alien Swarm [I][B]- Insubstantial[/B][/I]
Portal 2
Dota 2 [I][B]- Crap[/B][/I]
Counter-Strike Global Offensive
BONUS ROUND: Non-game products and events
Steam Marketplace [I][B]- Crap[/B][/I]
Steam Greenlight [I][B]- Crap with extra relish[/B][/I]
Steam Workshop
Steam OS [I][B]- Crap[/B][/I]
Steam Controller [I][B]- Solution looking for a problem[/B][/I]
Steamboxes [I][B]- Crap[/B][/I]
HTC Vice
The International 1-7 [I][B]- Not a product[/B][/I]
The Dota Majors [I][B]- Not a product[/B][/I]
The CS:GO Majors [I][B]- Not a product[/B][/I]
Lightning Round: Decorative Pixels
1289 TF2 Cosmetics [I][B]- Crap[/B][/I]
I'm not going to bother counting the frankly Borderlands-level number of gun skins in CS:GO, but trust me: It's a lot. [I][B]- Crap[/B][/I]
Ditto for Dota 2. I literally could not find a solid number. [I][B]- Crap[/B][/I][/QUOTE]
So as far as I am concerned, Valve has done little of value to me in the last decade. But I know I am not their target customer and because I do not care for much of the things Valve HAVE been doing, I just moan a bit every now and then before moving on with seeking other entertainment.
[QUOTE]Steam Controller - Solution looking for a problem[/QUOTE]
The Steam Controller is supposed to be an alternative for Mouse and Keyboard and is meant to let you play games like FPS or strategy games on your couch more easily than standard controllers.
[QUOTE=TraderRager;52611656]-snip-[/QUOTE]
You forgot the Steam Link :D
With this relased we can now have an officiall-unofficial "Epistle 3" standalone game.
Finding the willing for the work would be a problem though.
[QUOTE=rebel1324;52611665]1289 TF2 Cosmetics? Jesus[/QUOTE]
Aren't most (if not all) just community-made items that were uploaded to workshop and got approved by Valve?
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52611720]My opinion which counts for absolutely nothing in the changing landscape of the industry, but
So as far as I am concerned, Valve has done little of value to me in the last decade. But I know I am not their target customer and because I do not care for much of the things Valve HAVE been doing, I just moan a bit every now and then before moving on with seeking other entertainment.[/QUOTE]
Alien Swarm was really great.
[QUOTE=Qbe-tex;52611799]I was surprised to learn that [URL="http://www.moddb.com/mods/alien-swarm"]Alien Swarm was actually an UT2004 mod released in 2005[/URL] originally. It even won Mod of the Year 2005! Nonetheless, it was great and it makes me sad it was just abandoned after 1 mission (Reactive Drop [I]dropped[/I] recently but outside of that there's really nothing)[/QUOTE]
Valve let the mod creators (which they hired previously) work with Valve's resources and time to finish it and when they did, they moved onto other projects.
How many decades till we play this game?
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Oh look he [I]can[/I] count to three.
Honestly, I think HL3 is an unwinnable situation, because it WILL get toppled by the inflated expectations. I think the best course of action would be to sell the IP rights so that WHEN it flops, Valve can pin the blame on whatever schmuck bait was dumb enough to buy said rights in the first place
Valve can't make a game fit for a Duke; they're just Too Human.
Do we even have high expectations anymore? I don't.
[QUOTE=Talvy;52612186]Do we even have high expectations anymore? I don't.[/QUOTE]
Well, knowing how great Half-Life 2 is, it would be logical to assume that expectations would skyrocket the moment we see a reveal trailer because people will (blindly) remember about HL2's greatness and think that nothing will go wrong
And when it finally releases, people will wonder "where's the rest of the game" due to 10+ years of built up hype
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52611720]My opinion which counts for absolutely nothing in the changing landscape of the industry, but
So as far as I am concerned, Valve has done little of value to me in the last decade. But I know I am not their target customer and because I do not care for much of the things Valve HAVE been doing, I just moan a bit every now and then before moving on with seeking other entertainment.[/QUOTE]
Steam would have been worse off if they didn't implement greenlight. It was way too difficult to get on steam before.
[QUOTE=flashn00b;52612368]Well, knowing how great Half-Life 2 is, it would be logical to assume that expectations would skyrocket the moment we see a reveal trailer because people will (blindly) remember about HL2's greatness and think that nothing will go wrong
And when it finally releases, people will wonder "where's the rest of the game" due to 10+ years of built up hype[/QUOTE]
Tbh all nostalgia aside Half-Life 2 was only a great game in the context of the era in which it released. Everything from its mechanics to story and gameplay are nothing revolutionary in today's standards, and if Valve just put out another episode tier full game with the same Half-Life 2 physics based gameplay to tie up the series, I would rate it like a 5/10 tbh
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;52612495]Tbh all nostalgia aside Half-Life 2 was only a great game in the context of the era in which it released. Everything from its mechanics to story and gameplay are nothing revolutionary in today's standards[/QUOTE]
The original Star Trek (as an example, of course) is nothing revolutionary today, but you can't compare it to today because Star Trek literally defined the scifi genre. It created today's standards. Same goes for Zelda and adventure games, Half Life 1 + Doom and shooters, the Lord of the Ring books and fantasy. That being said, HL2 was game of the decade, but it didn't change things as much as Doom did, or HL1, just redefined it effectively, I feel.
"it was only great in the context of the era it was released" is ultimately meaningless because [I]everything [/I]is only great in the context of the era is was released.
That being said,
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;52612495]if Valve just put out another episode tier full game with the same Half-Life 2 physics based gameplay to tie up the series, I would rate it like a 5/10 tbh[/QUOTE]
If the original star trek was released as 'Star Voyage' in todays standards, and with todays tropes, but with the same budget and problems it had, it would ultimately be considered average. A few people would point at how its basically mimicking classic scifi and doesn't really do anything original at all.
Really, hl3 needs a lot of new shit to be considered fresh.
[editline]25th August 2017[/editline]
hopefully they create something that genuinely redefines half life and modernizes it without being half life 2 with a huge update, otherwise its pretty true that it would be an average game.
[editline]25th August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52611720]Steam Controller - Solution looking for a problem[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;52611726]The Steam Controller is supposed to be an alternative for Mouse and Keyboard and is meant to let you play games like FPS or strategy games on your couch more easily than standard controllers.[/QUOTE]
To add, the steam controller isn't meant to be a solution to anything at all really. It's not looking to solve a problem because it isn't meant to replace anything, just be a new method.
And you know what, it does fix the problem of controllers having really bad accuracy when it comes to looking around. It also allows for way better control. That's without trying to fix a problem.
well I'm glad you took the time to refute my entire post only to circle back and agree with what I was ultimately saying :v: smh
But I agree, the genetic footprint of Half-Life 2 is just so distant from the present reality of FPS shooters (which it largely helped to create) that I don't think Valve could conceivably put out a title that would stand out today, while still being recognizably Half-Life. It just wouldn't be the game we were all waiting for, because that game has already had the life beaten out of it and then some by virtually every title in the genre since 2007. Sad story. But imo this is why Valve is probably not even considering the title. Its time to shine has passed.
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;52612552]well I'm glad you took the time to refute my entire post only to circle back and agree with what I was ultimately saying :v: smh
But I agree, the genetic footprint of Half-Life 2 is just so distant from the present reality of FPS shooters (which it largely helped to create) that I don't think Valve could conceivably put out a title that would stand out today, while still being recognizably Half-Life. It just wouldn't be the game we were all waiting for, because that game has already had the life beaten out of it and then some by virtually every title in the genre since 2007. Sad story. But imo this is why Valve is probably not even considering the title. Its time to shine has passed.[/QUOTE]
My only experience with half life was black mesa and all i could think of while playing was how old and dated the entire experience was.
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;52612552]well I'm glad you took the time to refute my entire post only to circle back and agree with what I was ultimately saying :v: smh
But I agree, the genetic footprint of Half-Life 2 is just so distant from the present reality of FPS shooters (which it largely helped to create) that I don't think Valve could conceivably put out a title that would stand out today, while still being recognizably Half-Life. It just wouldn't be the game we were all waiting for, because that game has already had the life beaten out of it and then some by virtually every title in the genre since 2007. Sad story. But imo this is why Valve is probably not even considering the title. Its time to shine has passed.[/QUOTE]
You could say the same about Doom or Wolfenstein and yet we got two absolutely badass reboots that managed to capture spirits of the originals pretty damn well while also being great fun in the modern age.
If anything, the FPS climate is perfect for Half-Life right now. Console shooters fucked off back into the shadows, CoD is in shambles, Battlefield isn't all the rage anymore either, arena shooters are experiencing a renaissance. It's almost like it's late 90s again, and a new Half-Life could very well be The New Half-Life.
[QUOTE=themooselord;52612923]My only experience with half life was black mesa and all i could think of while playing was how old and dated the entire experience was.[/QUOTE]
Because youre playing a remake of a 90s game expecting a modern experience instead of playing it to appreciate a remaining of a classic.
You just didnt give yourself the proper context to enjoy it
[QUOTE=Drury;52613193]You could say the same about Doom or Wolfenstein and yet we got two absolutely badass reboots that managed to capture spirits of the originals pretty damn well while also being great fun in the modern age.
If anything, the FPS climate is perfect for Half-Life right now. Console shooters fucked off back into the shadows, CoD is in shambles, Battlefield isn't all the rage anymore either, arena shooters are experiencing a renaissance. It's almost like it's late 90s again, and a new Half-Life could very well be The New Half-Life.[/QUOTE]
You're not wrong, but both DOOM and Wolfenstein TNO were reboots of a classic series, whereas an HL3 would fall into the territory of trying make, say, a proper sequel to DOOM 3.
Ignoring the fact that HL2 was a great game that stood on its own and DOOM3 was a lopsided attempt to turn DOOM into a survival-horror franchise, imo HL2 and DOOM 3 share much more with modern FPS shooters than they do with their preceding titles and just rebooting their format with a new twist won't fit the bill for a "fresh experience." The episodes and the main game have already covered everything there is to do with gravity guns and physics, and VALVe will be hard pressed to innovate new technologies, techniques, and gameplay concepts, all three of which are sort of the "genre defining" staple of the HL series in a market where all of it's pretty much been done before. Not the least since they can just sit back and feed their families off steam money :/
[QUOTE=themooselord;52612923]My only experience with half life was black mesa and all i could think of while playing was how old and dated the entire experience was.[/QUOTE]
yeah i tried playing doom but the graphics were shit and the gameplay was boring and all you could do was shoot shit and open doors
[QUOTE=mastersrp;52615998]yeah i tried playing doom but the graphics were shit and the gameplay was boring and all you could do was shoot shit and open doors[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say that very loudly...
not with marphy black lurking in the shadows :worried:
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its too late
[QUOTE=themooselord;52612923]My only experience with half life was black mesa and all i could think of while playing was how old and dated the entire experience was.[/QUOTE]
Well this is one of the reasons why I couldnt bring myself to play any of the old cRPGs. (Arcanum, Planescape, Fallouts) because of how dated they are. Its just repulsive which is a shame that I cant experience their greatness.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52621149]Well this is one of the reasons why I couldnt bring myself to play any of the old cRPGs. (Arcanum, Planescape, Fallouts) because of how dated they are. Its just repulsive which is a shame that I cant experience their greatness.[/QUOTE]
a lot of those classics have nice visual reworks that bring it up to modern standards, but since i played wastleland 2 i just cant play classic fallout
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