Ancient Roman landscape unearthed near London - Polidicks

[QUOTE]London, England (CNN) -- Archaeologists have uncovered an ancient Roman landscape beneath a park in west London, with a Roman road, evidence of a settlement, and unusual burials among the finds. They say the discovery -- at the site of a planned luxury hotel near the edge of the River Thames -- gives valuable and rare insight into the daily life of what was then an agricultural village. Dating back nearly 2,000 years, the village would have supplied the ancient Roman city of Londinium and also given shelter to passing travelers. "It helps us build a picture of the Roman landscape and shows how the busy metropolis of Londinium connected with the rest of Roman Britain," said Jo Lyon, a senior archaeologist at the Museum of London Archaeology, which carried out the excavations. The site is in Syon Park, owned by the Duke of Northumberland and located across the river from Kew Gardens. Waldorf Astoria is building a luxury hotel on the grounds that is set to open early next year. The Museum of London made the discovery while doing excavations in August 2008 ahead of the hotel's construction. Everything was found under just half a meter (1.5 feet) of soil, and the finds were kept secret until the fieldwork was finished. Some of the finds will be displayed at the hotel, Waldorf Astoria said. The site revealed a section of one of Roman Britain's most important roads, linking Londinium with the Roman town of Silchester, which lies farther west. "That's one of the key national roads, (a) very, very busy road, and we don't really find fragments of the actual roads themselves very often in London," Lyon said. The dig also revealed evidence of a rural settlement and an ancient tributary of the Thames. Thousands of Roman artifacts were recovered from the site, including two shale armlets and fragments of a lava quern stone, used for grinding grains. Archaeologists also found a fragment of an "exceptional" Late Bronze Age (1000-700 BC) gold bracelet that probably predated the site, as well as hundreds of coins. "All of the coins came from the Roman road," she said. "That road was in use for 400 years across the Roman period, and people have just dropped coins over those hundreds of years." One of them is a coin made of copper alloy that features a V, which Lyon said could refer to Vespasian, who was Roman emperor between 69 and 79 AD. There were also the skeletons of those who may have been former occupants of the settlement. They were found unusually buried in ditches, lying on their sides without any grave goods, which the museum said was "particularly curious" and in need of more research. Lyon said she initially thought they were Iron Age burials because the style was so "casual." It could be that the method was a local one adopted by the Romans who lived there, she said. The dig also showed that the British landscape changed considerably under Roman influence, with the establishment of towns connected by roads, the museum said. Londinium, the ancient name of London, was founded in 48 AD on an uninhabited site, and its strategic position on the Thames helped it rapidly become the most important and largest commercial town in the province. The site on Syon Park would have been an attractive place for a settlement because it lay between the road and the Thames, the museum said. The land was easy to cultivate and the presence of the road would have given the community another source of income from travelers wanting refreshment and lodging.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/11/17/uk.roman.artifacts/index.html?hpt=Sbin[/url] Fuck yeah :hist101:

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... Londinium? Really?

Londinium - New metal

[QUOTE=Marcolade;26148012]... Londinium? Really?[/QUOTE] Keep in mind this is a highly anglicanized version of the original latin name.

[QUOTE=Marcolade;26148012]... Londinium? Really?[/QUOTE] The name "London" didn't appear out of no where.

[QUOTE=Marcolade;26148012]... Londinium? Really?[/QUOTE] And Britain was called Brittania, Germany was known as Germania, and Meditteranean is from the Latin word "mediterraneus" which means inland.

some worthless, trivial garbage, but the Romans never taught the indigenous British people on how to speak latin. If it had happened, we'd be speaking Spanish by now.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26148375]some worthless, trivial garbage, but the Romans never taught the indigenous British people on how to speak latin. If it had happened, we'd be speaking Spanish by now.[/QUOTE] Wrong?

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26148375]the Romans never taught the indigenous British people on how to speak latin[/QUOTE] yeah it doesn't work like that "hey british guys adopt our language lole"

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26148375]some worthless, trivial garbage, but the Romans never taught the indigenous British people on how to speak latin. If it had happened, we'd be speaking Spanish by now.[/QUOTE] Ancient Briton was populated by ancient Germanic tribes the Anglo tribe and the Saxon tribe people from northern Germany and Denmark. English is a Western Germanic language.

[QUOTE=rathat;26148520]Ancient Briton was populated by ancient Germanic tribes the Anglo tribe and the Saxon tribe people from northern Germany and Denmark. English is a Western Germanic language.[/QUOTE] Modern English is a mixture of that Germanic language, plus the medieval French that William the Conqueror brought with him when he took over England. Thus why there's a lot of Latin based words in modern English. [editline]18th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26148375]some worthless, trivial garbage, but the Romans never taught the indigenous British people on how to speak latin. If it had happened, we'd be speaking Spanish by now.[/QUOTE] If you don't like history, get out. There's no reason for you to be here, bashing it.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;26148265]And Britain was called Brittania, Germany was known as Germania, and Meditteranean is from the Latin word "mediterraneus" which means inland.[/QUOTE] Well alright, fair enough. Now I know!

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26148574]Modern English is a mixture of that Germanic language, plus the medieval French that William the Conqueror brought with him when he took over England. Thus why there's a lot of Latin based words in modern English. [editline]18th November 2010[/editline] If you don't like history, get out. There's no reason for you to be here, bashing it.[/QUOTE] Take a morphine to the arm and relax, gawsh. English was never derived from Latin, yes, the language consists of French which did derive from Latin, but it was never based on it entirely. A majority of the language consists of Anglo-Saxon, German and French at a later period, hence the words prestige, extraordinary, or concierge. Roman occupation only lasted for three centuries, you can always argue about the cases of Roman colonials intermarrying with the natives, but before major language-adaptation took place, they were kicked out by a bunch of Scandinavians. Latin has spread to Spain, Germany, and France, the latter two adding a mix of their own languages into Latin as Romans occupied it and actually kept it under tight control as opposed to the British Isles. I mean who wants to occupy some island with the shittiest weather? And keep in mind, William the Conqueror did not speak Latin, he spoke Norman/French, a diluted form of Latin

English was a language of the lower classes anyway, however that's what makes it so adaptable.

[QUOTE=Marcolade;26148617]Well alright, fair enough. Now I know![/QUOTE] You should have paid attention to your history teacher in the 7th grade.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;26149037]English was a language of the lower classes anyway, however that's what makes it so adaptable.[/QUOTE] And keep in mind, that the Romans tried to prevent the English from learning their 'superior' language, similar to what William the Conqueror did, but with little success on William.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26149124]And keep in mind, that the Romans tried to prevent the English from learning their 'superior' language, similar to what William the Conqueror did, but with little success on William.[/QUOTE] Englanders (Anglo-Saxons) didn't come to England until after the Romans left. You're thinking of the Britons, which is today the Welsh.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26149151]Englanders (Anglo-Saxons) didn't come to England until after the Romans left. You're thinking of the Britons, which is today the Welsh.[/QUOTE] Irregardless, the Roman's efforts still kept Latin from being the new, mainsteam language in Britain at the time.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26149201]Irregardless, the Roman's efforts still kept Latin from being the new, mainsteam language in Britain at the time.[/QUOTE] I don't think Rome truly cared all that much for Britannia as much as other places, else they wouldn't of abandoned it to reinforce other territories. That's what I feel, anyways.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26149201]Irregardless, the Roman's efforts still kept Latin from being the new, mainsteam language in Britain at the time.[/QUOTE] irregardless is an incorrect term asshole

[QUOTE=Kalibos;26149405]irregardless is an incorrect term asshole[/QUOTE] Sorry sire. Shall I re-edit to [b]Regardless[/b] to satisfy your eyes?

would you :3

[QUOTE=CharadesV2;26149042]You should have paid attention to your history teacher in the 7th grade.[/QUOTE] Well I didn't, so deal with it.

I just realized that early British history confuses me to no end.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26148685] A majority of the language consists of Anglo-Saxon, German and French at a later period, hence the words prestige, extraordinary, or concierge. Roman occupation only lasted for three centuries, you can always argue about the cases of [/QUOTE] 60% of our language comes from French. English is more Romance than Germanic.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;26151422]60% of our language comes from French. English is more Romance than Germanic.[/QUOTE] Most of the words in your post is Germanic. Is derived from 'ist', our from 'uns' or 'unsere', than from 'dann', sixty, 'sechzig', come, 'komm'. Many French words that transition into English are often the 'fanciful words such as concierge, prestige, chance, stranger, or extraordinary. You can debate as much as you want, but most words that you speak in any sentence will always consist of words of a Germanic origin.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26151513]Most of the words in your post is Germanic. Is derived from 'ist', our from 'uns' or 'unsere', than from 'dann', sixty, 'sechzig', come, 'komm'. Many French words that transition into English are often the 'fanciful words such as concierge, prestige, chance, stranger, or extraordinary. You can debate as much as you want, but most words that you speak in any sentence will always consist of words of a Germanic origin.[/QUOTE] Just found this on Wikipedia [img]http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4678/600pxoriginsofenglishpi.png[/img]

Keep in mind that much of Latin is has 'integrated' into the English language still keep their original Latin form and are mainly used in science. Such as equine, bovine, astronomy, physiology, etc. Many of these words are often replaced by Germanic/English words, pig replacing bovine, horse replacing equine. Only a small number of latin words are being used in every day English, such as pharmacist, dentist, etc. Most latin words from that 'slice' consist of scientific words used to classify animals etc.

If you are interested, I found a sample of Old English, its some kind of prayer. [quote] Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum Si þin nama gehalgod to becume þin rice gewurþe ðin willa on eorðan swa swa on heofonum. urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us todæg and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele soþlice [/quote] Looks like a mix of German and Welsh to me. And this is the same thing in Middle English [quote]Oure fadir that art in heuenes, halewid be thi name; thi kyngdoom come to; be thi wille don, in erthe as in heuene. Yyue to vs this dai oure breed ouer othir substaunce, and foryyue to vs oure dettis, as we foryyuen to oure dettouris; and lede vs not in to temptacioun, but delyuere vs fro yuel. Amen.[/quote] This is in Latin [quote]PATER noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen.[/quote]