Tesla Model X driver says Autopilot helped him drive to hospital while suffering from an embolism

[Morgen]

[QUOTE]Joshua Neally, an attorney in Springfield, Missouri, credits the Autopilot of his Model X for helping him drive himself to the hospital while suffering from a pulmonary embolism, which made him temporarily blind at times, while on his drive home from work on July 26.
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His breathing was limited. He struggled to place a call to his wife, and gasped in pain during their conversation. At times, Neally said, he couldn’t see.

The drive, however, didn’t end in a crash, or with Neally pulling over to the side of the road, although he concedes the latter might have been the recommended practice. Instead, he told the News-Leader, he successfully drove to a CoxHealth facility in Branson for treatment — thanks to the fact that the vehicle was doing most of the work.
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[URL="http://electrek.co/2016/08/05/tesla-model-x-driver-autopilot-drive-hospital-embolism/"]Source[/URL]

Relevant with all the hate on Autopilot lately from the media.

[RIPBILLYMAYS]

Hindsight is 20/20 so you can see that there may have been better options than going for a drive while you're nearly dying

Still, the only reason this has a happy ending is because of Autopilot so yay for technology :toot:

[Curls]

Hate on autopilot can tee off tbh

this is shit that people from the 50's said we'd have in 2000 and now it's finally here

if you hate autopilot, your opinion is awful

[omggrass]

i think people didnt read but he was already on the highway when the symptoms started kicking his ass, getting an ambulance to find you when you're dying on the side of the highway is pretty shitty.

[MaximLaHaxim]

Watch people try to say we shouldn't let people have a choice to use autopilot or not.

I know it'll happen.

[SirJon]

The fact that a functional autopilot exists still hasn't really hit me

[Mitsuma]

[QUOTE=SirJon;50835945]The fact that a functional autopilot exists still hasn't really hit me[/QUOTE]

Well, it is still pretty limited to call it a full autopilot in my opinion but it is really nice how far we have come with drive assists.

[eviltediz]

[QUOTE=J!NX;50835698]Hate on autopilot can tee off tbh

this is shit that people from the 50's said we'd have in 2000 and now it's finally here

if you hate autopilot, your opinion is awful[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure most people wouldn't mind autopilot, it's just the media as per usual who are pushing negative news to get more views.

[OvB]

[QUOTE=Mitsuma;50836022]Well, it is still pretty limited to call it a full autopilot in my opinion but it is really nice how far we have come with drive assists.[/QUOTE]

Well autopilot in planes is essentially an altitude, speed, and heading hold. Autopilot in Tesla is a speed, and heading(lane) hold. It's a sorta creative name for a really good and constantly improving Adaptive Cruise Control. Though one day it wI'll be fully autonomous.

[editline]5th August 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=evil-tedoz;50836040]Pretty sure most people wouldn't mind autopilot, it's just the media as per usual who are pushing negative news to get more views.[/QUOTE]

Tesla claims they asked all autopilot users if they would like it to be disabled after the fatal accident and not one person said they would want it disabled. 100% of autopilot users want to keep the service. That's pretty telling.

[BlackMageMari]

I don't know if this is an unfounded fear but the only thing I can say against autopilot or the increased digitalisation of cars is the fear of them being hacked. I know that's not a concern right now since the driver is still in charge, but I wouldn't like to be in a situation where cars can complety self drive.

Other than that it's a fantastic way forward and is only going to save lives.

[WJS]

Still think they should call it Copilot instead, that way stupid people who try to cash in on insurance by purposefully making it crash can't say "but i thought it drove itself!1"

[redBadger]

Autopilot is fine and dandy but you should still be constantly aware of your surroundings and be fully prepared to take the wheel if necessary.

[OvB]

[QUOTE=WJS;50836312]Still think they should call it Copilot instead, that way stupid people who try to cash in on insurance by purposefully making it crash can't say "but i thought it drove itself!1"[/QUOTE]

Good thing when you activate it, it makes you press an "I agree" thing explaining what it does.

[Downsider]

[QUOTE=J!NX;50835698]Hate on autopilot can tee off tbh

this is shit that people from the 50's said we'd have in 2000 and now it's finally here

if you hate autopilot, your opinion is awful[/QUOTE]

I don't like autopilot. I'm fine with self-driving cars, but a half-assed self-driving car is asking for trouble. People have trouble responsibly using technology all the time, and now it's something that can kill me?

Everyone's always like "oh, he was misusing it!" when something goes wrong with autopilot. Yeah, so what? I'm not surprised it's been misused- if it can't be completely 100% autonomous in every situation, it's just asking for trouble from people who don't know how to use it proper. And it's not like you need to take a class to use it, there is no "autopilot license". There will be uneducated users.

[Dissolution]

[QUOTE=Downsider;50836363]I don't like autopilot. I'm fine with self-driving cars, but a half-assed self-driving car is asking for trouble. People have trouble responsibly using technology all the time, and now it's something that can kill me?

Everyone's always like "oh, he was misusing it!" when something goes wrong with autopilot. Yeah, so what? I'm not surprised it's been misused- if it can't be completely 100% autonomous in every situation, it's just asking for trouble from people who don't know how to use it proper. And it's not like you need to take a class to use it, there is no "autopilot license". There will be uneducated users.[/QUOTE]

More people misuse and crash cars than people misuse and crash autopiloted cars. Sorry, but this is an objective improvement literally no matter how you look at it. Any argument against it is solely hypothetical, and at this point, completely irrational.

[Splarg]

[QUOTE=J!NX;50835698]Hate on autopilot can tee off tbh

this is shit that people from the 50's said we'd have in 2000 and now it's finally here

if you hate autopilot, your opinion is awful[/QUOTE]

How stupid do you have to be to think your odds are better with human drivers than self-driving cars.

An old comment from reddit:

[quote]Something to consider is that airbags cause fatalities that would not occur, if the airbag wasn't there.
In the US, 175 people died from airbags between 1990 and 2000. Yet, the airbags saved over 35 times as many people, and over that time, laws were made stricter to have more and better airbags.
The number of deaths is low enough that it's considered acceptable to continue using airbags.
It's also easy to get injured during airbag deployment.
Autopilot accidents will be inevitable, so the question is whether we will treat this technology the same as airbags.[/quote]

Except this time we're talking about an additional layer of safety that's aiming to get rid of accidents in the first place.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Downsider;50836363]I don't like autopilot. I'm fine with self-driving cars, but a half-assed self-driving car is asking for trouble. People have trouble responsibly using technology all the time, and now it's something that can kill me?[/QUOTE][B]Big fucking hint: cars could always kill you.[/B]

I feel bad that I'm the one that has to reveal to you this oh so cleverly hidden fact of life but there it is.

[Downsider]

I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Give a car to my Mom and she can drive it just fine. She's educated in driving cars, she renews her license. She knows how to drive a vehicle.

Give a car to my Mom and say it has an Autopilot feature (which isn't fully autonomous yet the name "autopilot" heavily suggests it is), and now we're asking for trouble.

Make it fully autonomous before you give it to my Mom, and make her take a class on it anyway. Is what I'm saying really so ridiculous?

[zeromancer]

[QUOTE=Downsider;50836714]I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Give a car to my Mom and she can drive it just fine. She's educated in driving cars, she renews her license. She knows how to drive a vehicle.

Give a car to my Mom and say it has an Autopilot feature (which isn't fully autonomous yet the name "autopilot" heavily suggests it is), and now we're asking for trouble.

Make it fully autonomous before you give it to my Mom, and make her take a class on it anyway. Is what I'm saying really so ridiculous?[/QUOTE]

See your first point makes sense, you say she's educated in driving cars, and she knows how to drive a car.

Your second point, you say it has an autopilot feature and then immediately go "now we're asking for trouble" without actually saying WHY it's asking for trouble.

I'm still not quite sure what you're trying to say, make her take a class on it? Well, if I recall correctly, you still need to be able to drive a car yourself before you can get your hands on one of these, and not forgetting, it's a driving assist, why would you need a class for something that actually somewhat removes the things that you've already learned in your driving test.

[Merv]

[QUOTE=Downsider;50836714]I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Give a car to my Mom and she can drive it just fine. She's educated in driving cars, she renews her license. She knows how to drive a vehicle.

Give a car to my Mom and say it has an Autopilot feature (which isn't fully autonomous yet the name "autopilot" heavily suggests it is), and now we're asking for trouble.

Make it fully autonomous before you give it to my Mom, and make her take a class on it anyway. Is what I'm saying really so ridiculous?[/QUOTE]

Autopilot has never, ever meant fully autonomous. Even plane autopilot requires a considerable amount of actual human input to get to the destination it needs to be.

[srobins]

[QUOTE=Downsider;50836714]I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Give a car to my Mom and she can drive it just fine. She's educated in driving cars, she renews her license. She knows how to drive a vehicle.

Give a car to my Mom and say it has an Autopilot feature (which isn't fully autonomous yet the name "autopilot" heavily suggests it is), and now we're asking for trouble.

Make it fully autonomous before you give it to my Mom, and make her take a class on it anyway. Is what I'm saying really so ridiculous?[/QUOTE]

It's not ridiculous, but I think the greater point here has already been made:

[QUOTE=Splarg!;50836466]An old comment from reddit:

[quote]Something to consider is that airbags cause fatalities that would not occur, if the airbag wasn't there.
In the US, 175 people died from airbags between 1990 and 2000. Yet, the airbags saved over 35 times as many people, and over that time, laws were made stricter to have more and better airbags.
The number of deaths is low enough that it's considered acceptable to continue using airbags.
It's also easy to get injured during airbag deployment.
Autopilot accidents will be inevitable, so the question is whether we will treat this technology the same as airbags.[/quote]

Except this time we're talking about an additional layer of safety that's aiming to get rid of accidents in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Even though some people will act stupid and abuse Autopilot and cause an accident, so long as Autopilot gives us a net gain in terms of safety, it's worth having around. Plus, you don't [I]really[/I] need training and licenses to understand how to use Autopilot since it borders on common sense. Turn on Autopilot and let the car handle the constant minutiae of navigation, but be aware of what's going on. It shouldn't be an excuse to watch a DVD while you wait for your car to arrive at your destination, that's what people need to understand.

[Morgen]

[QUOTE=Downsider;50836714]I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Give a car to my Mom and she can drive it just fine. She's educated in driving cars, she renews her license. She knows how to drive a vehicle.

Give a car to my Mom and say it has an Autopilot feature (which isn't fully autonomous yet the name "autopilot" heavily suggests it is), and now we're asking for trouble.

Make it fully autonomous before you give it to my Mom, and make her take a class on it anyway. Is what I'm saying really so ridiculous?[/QUOTE]

Can your mum also not read as well?
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[Curls]

[QUOTE=Downsider;50836714]I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Give a car to my Mom and she can drive it just fine. She's educated in driving cars, she renews her license. She knows how to drive a vehicle.

Give a car to my Mom and say it has an Autopilot feature (which isn't fully autonomous yet the name "autopilot" heavily suggests it is), and now we're asking for trouble.

Make it fully autonomous before you give it to my Mom, and make her take a class on it anyway. Is what I'm saying really so ridiculous?[/QUOTE]

if someone seriously can't figure out how to use an auto pilot system by way of common sense they shouldn't drive to begin with because they probably don't know enough about how the vehicle works in the first place

[BraceWuyne]

Our new Volvo XC 90 has a very similar feature, but its called piloted driving assist, aka autopilot. Its slightly different to tesla's as it only works up to about 30 MPH for full autopilot (turns, stop and go). The adaptive cruise control basically does this same job, but requires just a bit more input from the driver. It stops and goes, and even keeps the car inside the lines on the road. However, it will yell at you if it senses you're hands are off the wheel and you're not paying attention. Its a badass feature, something I see getting really popular once its more available. Its a godsend when sitting in stop and go rush hour traffic, or even on long roadtrips.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Downsider;50836714]I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Give a car to my Mom and she can drive it just fine. She's educated in driving cars, she renews her license. She knows how to drive a vehicle.

Give a car to my Mom and say it has an Autopilot feature (which isn't fully autonomous yet the name "autopilot" heavily suggests it is), and now we're asking for trouble.

Make it fully autonomous before you give it to my Mom, and make her take a class on it anyway. Is what I'm saying really so ridiculous?[/QUOTE]Yes, it is ridiculous because at what point does your mom develop some odd form of mental disorder that makes her utterly incompetent to drive in the presence of [I]fancy cruise control.[/I] That's all this is, that's all it will ever be. It's just there to take over and make things easy for people, but it does not [U]replace[/U] them and even if it was fully automatic it still shouldn't completely replace them because [I]that's dumb.[/I] Were your car to be completely fucked and the autopilot suddenly turns off, you're still supposedly capable of piloting it to the side of the road in relative safety. At no point under any circumstances are you to lean back and proceed to vigorously thumb your asshole because you're in a three thousand point missile traveling at some sixty to seventy miles per hour and that's inherently dangerous.

Computers are not a replacement for personal responsibility, if this is too hard for anyone to understand they should cut up their driver's license and stay the fuck off my road.

[editline]6th August 2016[/editline]

Even autopilot in aircraft requires a pilot there to control things, it's just another layer of safety. Hell, [I]drones that are capable of completely autonomous flight[/I] have human operators. (actually a team of operators, just like regular aircraft)

[Downsider]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50838304]Yes, it is ridiculous because at what point does your mom develop some odd form of mental disorder that makes her utterly incompetent to drive in the presence of [I]fancy cruise control.[/I] That's all this is, that's all it will ever be. It's just there to take over and make things easy for people, but it does not [U]replace[/U] them and even if it was fully automatic it still shouldn't completely replace them because [I]that's dumb.[/I] Were your car to be completely fucked and the autopilot suddenly turns off, you're still supposedly capable of piloting it to the side of the road in relative safety. At no point under any circumstances are you to lean back and proceed to vigorously thumb your asshole because you're in a three thousand point missile traveling at some sixty to seventy miles per hour and that's inherently dangerous.

Computers are not a replacement for personal responsibility, if this is too hard for anyone to understand they should cut up their driver's license and stay the fuck off my road.

[editline]6th August 2016[/editline]

Even autopilot in aircraft requires a pilot there to control things, it's just another layer of safety. Hell, [I]drones that are capable of completely autonomous flight[/I] have human operators. (actually a team of operators, just like regular aircraft)[/QUOTE]

I don't think you understand the generational gap. My Mom had trouble calling someone on her iPhone before she learned how to use it (weeks to months), and there's nothing wrong with that. She has no reason to surround herself with technology and thus is poorly educated in using it.

A feature like this is potentially very unsafe for an uneducated user. There are TONS of videos on the internet of people blatently misusing this feature. Clearly, there's either an education problem or a usability problem. The proof is right in front of you. It doesn't matter if, "oh that person was dumb! i wouldn't do that..", he's still sharing the road with you.

All I know is that when I'm going 65 down the highway driving next to someone on my motorcycle, I'd rather be next to someone operating their vehicle in a way they are trained to, instead of a way they are most likely uninformed about or use as a toy.

You're giving way too much credit to your average person. This is a useless novelty feature that encourages irresponsible driving. Until it's fully autonomous, there is no reason for something like this to exist, and even when it is, people still have to be trained in using it.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Downsider;50838763]I don't think you understand the generational gap. My Mom had trouble calling someone on her iPhone before she learned how to use it (weeks to months), and there's nothing wrong with that. She has no reason to surround herself with technology and thus is poorly educated in using it.[/QUOTE]Can she use cruise control? If so then she's prepared. Aaaactually she's probably overqualified because Tesla gives you a little message and neatly explains things. I know your mother can read.

[QUOTE]A feature like this is potentially very unsafe for an uneducated user. There are TONS of videos on the internet of people blatently misusing this feature. Clearly, there's either an education problem or a usability problem. The proof is right in front of you. It doesn't matter if, "oh that person was dumb! i wouldn't do that..", he's still sharing the road with you.[/QUOTE]Wow, so it's just like with regular cars. Let's see you try again.

[QUOTE]All I know is that when I'm going 65 down the highway driving next to someone on my motorcycle, I'd rather be next to someone operating their vehicle in a way they are trained to, instead of a way they are most likely uninformed about or use as a toy.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]You're giving way too much credit to your average person.[/QUOTE]You know those little windows at the bottom of the doors on a semi truck? When I was riding along with my uncle to Tulsa I watched a man pass us while vigorously masturbating through that little itty bitty window. I saw his penis and everything, his knee on the wheel, his hand on his balls, his other hand stroking. [B]People do not drive like they were trained to drive. People are already abysmally terrible drivers.[/B]

You're the one giving too much credit, holy shit if you ride a motorcycle then you should know how fucking retarded people are. At the very least this gives you a mild, [I]mild[/I] respite from their constant onslaught of stupid book-reading, phone fucking, penis-pumping, food-chomping, clothes-changing, irresponsible bullshit.

[editline]6th August 2016[/editline]

Your argument is ridiculous, on one hand you say people are so awful and they're terrible at everything but on the other hand you're speaking against a technology that removes their clumsy clusterfuck attempt at being a motorist from the equation.

So far the accident rate for Tesla's autopilot is fantastic compared to your regular driver, and when the system gets confused or scared and wants to give up it bings and just turns off. Actually with your "it encourages irresponsibility!" the current "half-assed attempt" is absolutely perfect precisely because it can and will turn off at any time from the slightest provocation. You should really be advocating that the current iteration of the technology stay this way until we have flawless autonomous vehicles, because this paradigm is as unruly and unpredictable as PCs were in the late 80's. Back then only the brave and competent bothered to tame that beast, for everyone else they were scary boxes of hate. You're arguing against AOL when it doesn't even exist yet, in a few years and [I]only if accidents start piling up[/I] then you'll have a valid point.

[Supacasey]

[QUOTE=Downsider;50838763]
You're giving way too much credit to your average person. [B]This is a useless novelty feature that encourages irresponsible driving.[/B] Until it's fully autonomous, there is no reason for something like this to exist, and even when it is, people still have to be trained in using it.[/QUOTE]

we're literally in a thread where it saved a dudes life, what are you doing

[Lily]

[QUOTE=Morgen;50837981]Can your mum also not read as well?
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You're seriously expecting a user to read a popup?

[Lollipoopdeck]

i cant wait until our roads are like that one scene in Bee movie