• Iraqi Forces seize Mosul University from ISIS
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[media]https://twitter.com/zaidbenjamin/status/820682338652815360[/media] [QUOTE]Iraqi-led forces trying to retake Mosul from ISIS have made significant gains after seizing the city's university, a government complex and parts of the east bank of the Tigris River, Lt.Gen. Abdul Wahab al-Saadi of the Iraqi counterterrorism forces said Saturday. Hundreds of ISIS militants were reportedly killed during Friday's advance, which came as Iraqi counterterrorism forces also announced [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/13/middleeast/iraq-mosul-troops-advance/"]that troops had made it Mosul's Second Bridge on the river's east bank[/URL]. Counterterror forces this week reached the east bank of the Tigris for the first time since the large-scale military operation to reclaim Mosul began in October. ISIS seized control of the city, now its last major stronghold in Iraq, in 2014. The latest phase in the bid to retake Mosul has advanced more quickly than expected, partly because thousands of Iraqi federal police joined coalition troops that included the Iraqi army, counterterror forces, Kurdish Peshmerga fighters and Shiite-led paramilitaries. The new government complex in eastern Mosul as well as several Mosul University buildings had at one time been a headquarters and killing ground for ISIS fighters. Iraqi forces discovered large amounts of suspected chemical substances and "a bomb factory" at the university, a strategic base for militants, according to Sabah al Numan, spokesman for Iraqi counterterrorism forces. The materials were being tested. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/14/middleeast/iraq-mosul-troops-gains/index.html[/URL] [QUOTE]In another building, Isil militants had turned a dormitory into a makeshift chemical weapons factory, after raiding chemical stores in the College of Sciences. Soldiers were unable to enter and specialist engineers had been called in to neutralise any potential dangers posed by the chemicals. Some of the materials the jihadists had taken from the research laboratories included radioactive materials, the United Nations has claimed. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/15/inside-newly-liberated-mosul-university-remnants-islamic-state/[/URL]
And to think that not long ago, this: [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2QrwwuXUAIZ7q8.jpg[/img] looked like this: [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2QrwwrWEAA4RuZ.jpg[/img] What a waste.
well you know... islam is religion of peace [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - Novangel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=mwesten1;51679205]well you know... islam is religion of peace[/QUOTE] Studies have already shown that most people joining ISIS aren't doing so because of Islam, but instead due to various other reasons such as social gain or just plain insanity.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51679216]Studies have already shown that most people joining ISIS aren't doing so because of Islam, but instead due to various other reasons such as social gain or just plain insanity.[/QUOTE] well lets ignore the fact that first letter in ISIS stands for ISLAM. But you probably right, if you want to survive you have to adapt and the only way to survive there is to join isis or you re considered infidel...
[QUOTE=mwesten1;51679205]well you know... islam is religion of peace[/QUOTE] why do people keep saying this islam is literally interconnected with judaism and christianity. they have all the same characters/rules but only a few changes. it's the people who have this "honour" perception about it that's messed it up.
[QUOTE=mwesten1;51679223]well lets ignore the fact that first letter in ISIS stands for ISLAM. But you probably right, if you want to survive you have to adapt and the only way to survive there is to join isis or you re considered infidel...[/QUOTE] People like you are just as extremist as ISIS themselves, just on the other side.
[QUOTE=Overhauser;51679326]People like you are just as extremist as ISIS themselves, just on the other side.[/QUOTE] That's a stretch and a fucking half, he has an opinion you don't like on the internet, he's not waging a fucking holy war killing woman and children.
Harsh as this may sound, perhaps a more poetic alternative to executing the asshats responsible for this would be to force them to assist in rebuilding what they destroyed.
[QUOTE=mwesten1;51679223]well lets ignore the fact that first letter in ISIS stands for ISLAM. But you probably right, if you want to survive you have to adapt and the only way to survive there is to join isis or you re considered infidel...[/QUOTE] talk like this just makes you sound like you can't handle shades of gray it's not like i see normal-ass women walking by in hijabs every day without them bombing the train I'm on, Islam is diseased to the core and there's literally nobody on the planet that practices it that isn't crazy
[QUOTE=mwesten1;51679223]well lets ignore the fact that first letter in ISIS stands for ISLAM. But you probably right, if you want to survive you have to adapt and the only way to survive there is to join isis or you re considered infidel...[/QUOTE] Oh my God, it is in the name of course! Seriously though, ideology is often used as a front for doing shit, that doesn't mean it is the cause. [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] The kids who joined the Lord's Resistance Army joined it because JESUS, because the L stands for LORD!
[QUOTE=mwesten1;51679223]well lets ignore the fact that first letter in ISIS stands for ISLAM. But you probably right, if you want to survive you have to adapt and the only way to survive there is to join isis or you re considered infidel...[/QUOTE] And the Nazi party had socialist in it's name, that doesn't make it socialist.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51679216]Studies have already shown that most people joining ISIS aren't doing so because of Islam, but instead due to various other reasons such as social gain or just plain insanity.[/QUOTE] Source on that?
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;51679821]Source on that?[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/12/why-people-join-isis/419685/[/URL] There's a link to a white paper published by an organization called Quantum Communications in this article, where they did a study on a selection of ISIS fighters/extremists of other groups. Based on this they subdivided them into separate categories.
[QUOTE=Claxx;51679510]That's a stretch and a fucking half, he has an opinion you don't like on the internet, he's not waging a fucking holy war killing woman and children.[/QUOTE] No, he's literally using the same extremist interpretation of Islam as the extremists so he can use it against ALL muslims.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;51678701]And to think that not long ago, this: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2QrwwuXUAIZ7q8.jpg[/IMG] looked like this: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2QrwwrWEAA4RuZ.jpg[/IMG] What a waste.[/QUOTE] What a perfect metaphor [QUOTE=matt000024;51679216]Studies have already shown that most people joining ISIS aren't doing so because of Islam, but instead due to various other reasons such as social gain or just plain insanity.[/QUOTE] citation please [QUOTE=Overhauser;51679326]People like you are just as extremist as ISIS themselves, just on the other side.[/QUOTE] are you seriously equating having a questionable opinion with being a member of a rouge psudo state predicated on ideological grounds, who frequently commit the most henious acts imaginable? I don't see him running rape houses populated by prisoners of war as a reward for fighters and to produce more ISIS fighters, burning captured enemy combatants and uncooperative sex slaves alive or commmitting mass executions of infadels. But maybe you know something i don't [QUOTE=AK'z;51679288]why do people keep saying this [B]islam is literally interconnected with judaism and christianity.[/B] they have all the same characters/rules but only a few changes. it's the people who have this "honour" perception about it that's messed it up.[/QUOTE] No it's not. It [I]claims[/I] to be connected to judaism and christianity, but everything about it is directly antithetical to both. Mohommad claimed to be both another prophet of god and to be a personification of god on earth, both explicitly ruled out by the new testament. Jesus was supposed to be the ultimate messiah, and there were to be no more prophets, barring the second coming of the messiah. I mean the differences in ideas and practices between the two are vast, but even the most foundational tenant of Islam is directly contradictory to judaism and christianity.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51679216]Studies have already shown that most people joining ISIS aren't doing so because of Islam, but instead due to various other reasons such as social gain or just plain insanity.[/QUOTE] source? The number of people among 49 current and former members of extremist groups in Iraq and Syria influenced by each factor in joining the fight (George LeVines / Defense One. Data: Quantum Communications) [IMG]https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2015/12/WhyViolentExtremistsFight_/ec2680f8d.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=mwesten1;51679205]well you know... islam is religion of peace [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - Novangel))[/highlight][/QUOTE] God fucking dammit, and good job, now this thread is going to be a shitfest about how the religion is evil/peaceful
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51680516] No it's not. It [I]claims[/I] to be connected to judaism and christianity, but everything about it is directly antithetical to both. Mohommad claimed to be both another prophet of god and to be a personification of god on earth, both explicitly ruled out by the new testament. Jesus was supposed to be the ultimate messiah, and there were to be no more prophets, barring the second coming of the messiah. I mean the differences in ideas and practices between the two are vast, but even the most foundational tenant of Islam is directly contradictory to judaism and christianity.[/QUOTE] I couldn't give a flying hoot who the messiah really was, they're all connected and have the same characters. Just because one is a remake/reboot of another doesn't mean they're now not related.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51680516]What a perfect metaphor citation please are you seriously equating having a questionable opinion with being a member of a rouge psudo state predicated on ideological grounds, who frequently commit the most henious acts imaginable? I don't see him running rape houses populated by prisoners of war as a reward for fighters and to produce more ISIS fighters, burning captured enemy combatants and uncooperative sex slaves alive or commmitting mass executions of infadels. But maybe you know something i don't No it's not. It [I]claims[/I] to be connected to judaism and christianity, but everything about it is directly antithetical to both. Mohommad claimed to be both another prophet of god and to be a personification of god on earth, both explicitly ruled out by the new testament. Jesus was supposed to be the ultimate messiah, and there were to be no more prophets, barring the second coming of the messiah. I mean the differences in ideas and practices between the two are vast, but even the most foundational tenant of Islam is directly contradictory to judaism and christianity.[/QUOTE] you must have never taken a single look at the Torah, New Testament or Quran if you think everything is Islam is antithetical to the other two faiths.
[QUOTE=mwesten1;51679223]well lets ignore the fact that first letter in ISIS stands for ISLAM. But you probably right, if you want to survive you have to adapt and the only way to survive there is to join isis or you re considered infidel...[/QUOTE] Lol dude there's parts of the bible that literally say that you should kill your family and even your neighbours if they don't practice the same religion. If you think any of this shit is exclusive to Islam you're off your fucking nut. Generally people try to ignore all the shit in their magic books that command them to literally fucking murder people for completely stupid fucking reasons, but sometimes people like you make it much easier for them to actually rationalise the bullshit.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51682025]Lol dude there's parts of the bible that literally say that you should kill your family and even your neighbours if they don't practice the same religion. If you think any of this shit is exclusive to Islam you're off your fucking nut. Generally people try to ignore all the shit in their magic books that command them to literally fucking murder people for completely stupid fucking reasons, but sometimes people like you make it much easier for them to actually rationalise the bullshit.[/QUOTE] Huh, that must be why the earliest Christians did that... oh wait, they didn't (Unlike the earliest Muslims who were religious warriors who expanded the Islamic empire through conquest). It's almost like you have no idea what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51682031]Huh, that must be why the earliest Christians did that... oh wait, they didn't (Unlike the earliest Muslims who were religious warriors who expanded the Islamic empire through conquest). It's almost like you have no idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] [quote=Deuteronomy 13] 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods”, 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.[/quote] Oh right my bad, I forgot, the Book of Deuteronomy isn't part of any christian faith is it? Oh shit, wait, it is. Huh. Oh and you seem to have also glossed over the whole bit where Constantine the Great ordered pagan temples to be pillaged and torn down. Or when he son, Constantius II implemented anti-pagan laws under penalty of death. Or the Theodosian decrees. Or the crusades, both to the Middle East and in Europe/elsewhere. Or the times Christians killed Jews in Germany because "they poisoned the wells" during the plague. History doesn't seem to fit your narrative either. Idk what to tell you, seems like I have an idea what I'm talking about though. Unless you mean "earliest Christians" when they were a cult for only a few hundred years and then idk what to tell you because that's a ridiculously narrow margin of time in history to base your entire argument around. Especially because for a good portion of their history as a minority, the Romans didn't even give a shit about them because under Roman law, you could worship whatever gods you wanted so long as you payed your due respect to the Roman gods. It was only when Christians began their own violent and defiant campaigns against other religions/Rome that the Romans had any semblance of a crack-down on Christianity, and in the end Rome became Christian anyway because of Constantine the Great, so your argument is flawed after that point anyway because guess how Constantine the Great came into power? Civil war, what's that about conquest again? There's a reason modern religious people distance themselves heavily from stuff like the Old Testament, because a very good number of modern faiths are vastly more peaceful than their historical brethren of the same cloth and thus they selectively ignore the parts of their religion that hint strongly at its core usage as an outdated means for the elite to claim right to rule over them. The modern world has zero need for people in power to claim "I'm the rightful ruler because GOD said so!" so religion has undergone a major overhaul when it has to co-exist with secular government and instead seems to luckily fall back on the whole "be a good person" thing more often than not. Islam is no different than Christianity, which still struggles with its violent extremist minorities to this day too so... You cannot tell me that as parts of the Koran have to do with violence that the entire religion must be a bunch of violent savages because no one can just selectively ignore parts of their religion, because you're selectively ignoring the Old Testament in your bible if you're trying to make the "peaceful" claim for Christianity.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51680516] are you seriously equating having a questionable opinion with being a member of a rouge psudo state predicated on ideological grounds, who frequently commit the most henious acts imaginable? [/QUOTE] No I don't. I am saying that it's the same extremist interpretation of Islam. I wrote that in the post ABOVE yours.Good job.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51680516] No it's not. It [I]claims[/I] to be connected to judaism and christianity, but everything about it is directly antithetical to both. Mohommad claimed to be both another prophet of god and to be a personification of god on earth, both explicitly ruled out by the new testament. Jesus was supposed to be the ultimate messiah, and there were to be no more prophets, barring the second coming of the messiah. I mean the differences in ideas and practices between the two are vast, but even the most foundational tenant of Islam is directly contradictory to judaism and christianity.[/QUOTE] Christianity: "All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets" - Mathew 7:12 Judaism: "What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. That is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary." - Talmud, Shabbat 31a Islam: "No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself" -Sunnah Totally have nothing to do with one another.
[QUOTE=mwesten1;51679205]well you know... islam is religion of peace [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - Novangel))[/highlight][/QUOTE] In the last ten days you've gotten yourself banned three times for shitposting. Please, keep it up. I hear you win a prize if you manage a fourth before the end of the month. And since every single one of those posts have caused my brain cells to die just by having witnessed them, nothing of value would be lost.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51682216]6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods”, 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 [B]You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery[/B]. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.[/QUOTE] Sort of off-topic but whenever I read passages like this I can't help but wonder how anyone other than a child raised that way could buy into Christianity/Judaism/any other religion. The texts themselves are so opaquely designed to propagate their ideology at all costs, it's like a medieval version of a cult pamphlet. "Anyone that isn't on your side needs to die, because God said so! Now tell your friends!"
[QUOTE=Claxx;51679510]That's a stretch and a fucking half, he has an opinion you don't like on the internet, he's not waging a fucking holy war killing woman and children.[/QUOTE] Really? His point was along the lines of "well ISIS starts with islam" with the context that all Muslims are violent. If that's not top quality shitposting then I don't know what is
[QUOTE=Kylel999;51685395]Really? His point was along the lines of "well ISIS starts with islam" with the context that all Muslims are fucking violent. That's top quality shitposting right there[/QUOTE] Ummm.... so what? That still doesnt equate him to being a fucking isis extremist. It might lean to shit posting but fuck take it down a notch before saying shit that makes no sense.
[QUOTE=MistyVermin;51685557]Ummm.... so what? That still doesnt equate him to being a fucking isis extremist. It might lean to shit posting but fuck take it down a notch before saying shit that makes no sense.[/QUOTE] Because he's claiming that's an opinion when it's just bullshit logic. We don't disagree with his opinion, because he didn't state one, he just shit a dumb thing out of his mouth - referring to the first part of his post ("well lets forget that ISIS starts with Islam"). You're not seriously going to try to tell me that wasn't under the context of "all muslims are isis!!!!111" No, I disagree with him being equally as extremist, that's a silly thing to say too. But what he said was still ridiculous as fuck MY POINT: implying all muslims are the same in any way is not an opinion, it's a very very stupid generalization that's on the level of someone implying all black people smoke blunts, love kool-aid, and eat fried chicken everyday
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